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Posted: 2/13/2023 12:39:38 PM EDT
[#1]
Panther head
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Posted: 2/13/2023 2:28:19 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By FB41: Panther head Appreciate the feedback. 
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Posted: 2/13/2023 3:13:11 PM EDT
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Once the front logo poll is complete, you can tell the kids - "The Investors Have Spoken"
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Posted: 2/13/2023 3:46:01 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By xanadu: Once the front logo poll is complete, you can tell the kids - "The Investors Have Spoken" Yes.... 
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Posted: 2/13/2023 3:59:06 PM EDT
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I like the bucking bronc from a pure aesthetics standpoint, but you just CAN'T pay homage to your closest rival. If I were a Cody student and saw that design on a Powell shirt I would certainly do some trash talking!
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Posted: 2/13/2023 4:01:03 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By JCoop: I like the bucking bronc from a pure aesthetics standpoint, but you just CAN'T pay homage to your closest rival. If I were a Cody student and saw that design on a Powell shirt I would certainly do some trash talking! This is my thinking as well. You're an art class--redesign that cowboy riding a bucking panther. |
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Posted: 2/13/2023 4:12:17 PM EDT
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As an ex FF my choice is obvious. It's the students project so I will go with the design that they choose. Investors be darner.
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Posted: 2/13/2023 4:13:55 PM EDT
[#8]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Sixtigers: This is my thinking as well. You're an art class--redesign that cowboy riding a bucking panther. 
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Posted: 2/13/2023 4:18:48 PM EDT
[Last Edit: brass]
[#9]
I like the tigers..
And not to be a namby pamby, but guy running Dremel should have leather work gloves on. Get a few sets of Mechanix thin leather gloves or Chinese knock offs to share when working with power tools. Otherwise a parent might flip out when their kid has to get even a band aid, let alone stitches if something slips. Should be with jigsaw and X-acto/utility knives as well. I know it's annoying (getting them to wear safety gear), the accidents always happen when "I was just going to do a quick cut and thought it'd be safe". Also, the dreaded un-stylish safety glasses look good and normal as well as the un-stylish gloves. If you get the better gloves that aren't like welding gloves so you can still feel what you're gripping they might be more willing to wear them, and every rip in one is just an oops that saved that much skin from being savaged. |
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Posted: 2/13/2023 10:59:01 PM EDT
[#10]
Another vote for the Panther Head.
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Posted: 2/14/2023 1:04:49 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Sixtigers:nnThis is my thinking as well. You're an art class--redesign that cowboy riding a bucking panther. This. |
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Posted: 2/14/2023 1:06:41 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By brass: I like the tigers.. And not to be a namby pamby, but guy running Dremel should have leather work gloves on. Get a few sets of Mechanix thin leather gloves or Chinese knock offs to share when working with power tools. Otherwise a parent might flip out when their kid has to get even a band aid, let alone stitches if something slips. Should be with jigsaw and X-acto/utility knives as well. I know it's annoying (getting them to wear safety gear), the accidents always happen when "I was just going to do a quick cut and thought it'd be safe". Also, the dreaded un-stylish safety glasses look good and normal as well as the un-stylish gloves. If you get the better gloves that aren't like welding gloves so you can still feel what you're gripping they might be more willing to wear them, and every rip in one is just an oops that saved that much skin from being savaged. Every Dremel cut is a chance for a student to become a mathematical genius by being forced to learn to use Base 9. 
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Posted: 2/14/2023 4:40:00 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Cargo: Amazon to the rescue as soon as I find your school's address. eta - estimated delivery on Valentine's Day..... Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Cargo: Originally Posted By guns762:  A couple have become quite obsessive over their lines, and having them in the correct spot. I got chewed out yesterday for rushing one of them. Flexible/bendable rulers have become quite a valued tool. We have only tow and only about 12". They are hidden so as not to get lost.....I just wish they would share with me where they hide them.  eta - estimated delivery on Valentine's Day.....  We got them today!!!! THANK YOU!!! 
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Posted: 2/14/2023 4:53:07 PM EDT
[Last Edit: redoubt]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By backbencher: Every Dremel cut is a chance for a student to become a mathematical genius by being forced to learn to use Base 9. You are not seeing the educational value.  Attached File |
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Posted: 2/14/2023 5:24:40 PM EDT
[Last Edit: brass]
[#15]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By redoubt: You are not seeing the educational value. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/74363/hogfather_jpg-2711007.JPG I Love Terry Pratchett. Hogfather was hilarious, I think Pratchett was most "himself" as Death mixed a little bit with Vimes. Yᴏᴜ ᴀʀᴇ ʜᴀᴠɪɴɢ ᴀ Nᴇᴀʀ Dᴇᴀᴛʜ Exᴘᴇʀɪᴇɴᴄᴇ, ɪᴛ ʟᴏɢɪᴄᴀʟʟʏ ғᴏʟʟᴏᴡs I ᴍᴜsᴛ ʜᴀᴠᴇ ᴀ ɴᴇᴀʀ ʏᴏᴜ ᴇxᴘᴇʀɪᴇɴᴄᴇ. Tʜᴇʀᴇ ɪs ɴᴏ ʀᴜsʜ, I'ᴠᴇ ɢᴏᴛ ᴀ ʙᴏᴏᴋ. |
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Posted: 2/15/2023 10:37:45 AM EDT
[#16]
Update 2/15
Details continue across our project. We are reworking the slurry nozzle, with the help of a better and more detailed reference photo.   Flaps are now extended. We will work to add more details to the inside of the the wing.  We are getting to the detailed intakes on the cowlings, and they are taking time. My student is getting a bit burned out on these, so I may have to look for a new sculptor soon to help finish them.  The tribute to the Granite Mountain Hot shots is going well. The artist thinks she is making this a little too detailed. We talked about airbrushing over it at the end to make it a bit more subtle. We will see.  More smoke was added the last couple days, and we are starting to see better results in the shape of the plume.  More update to follow today. 
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Posted: 2/15/2023 12:03:11 PM EDT
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Update 2/15.2
MOre update. @Cargo Huge Thank you!! Kids were very excited to see the 36" flexible rulers. They commented on how nice they were, and the cork backing made it easy to keep them in place when working. These are two very happy young ladies. They have been mapping out most of the rivet lines.  The crew wanting to get in on the pictures.   After me saying "no", (them arguing with me for an hour)I was convinced our wing won't suffer structually by removing a bit of our spar that runs through where our flaps close . They want to detail this area, and I think we will be good. I like the idea of more details. Skinning the underside of the flaps.   We are working on some screw heads being added to the pvc flange for a bit more texture and camouflage of the part.  If we are going to have a FuGo, we need a Chinese Spy balloon. This is now a balloon thread.   Fitting the tail flap to the stabilizer. This seems to be going very well. A little more paper mache to clean up some ends, then details(Rivets).   Students are now signing up for shirts. They will be able to purchase them at slightly below cost. Seniors wanted us to charge full price to students, e to get the fundraiser going next week some time.but I want to see more shirts in students' hands, and I think the lower price increases participation in purchasing them. I think that we should be abl Yes, with ARFCOM voting on the front designs, I think it's clear we need to go with the shield design, and not the Cody Broncs design.   |
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Posted: 2/15/2023 12:30:01 PM EDT
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Those rulers are nice & flexible, and make a happy swish sound just before they impact someone's anatomy.
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Posted: 2/15/2023 12:34:48 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By guns762: Update 2/15.2 MOre update. @Cargo Huge Thank you!! Kids were very excited to see the 36" flexible rulers. They commented on how nice they were, and the cork backing made it easy to keep them in place when working. These are two very happy young ladies. They have been mapping out most of the rivet lines. The crew wanting to get in on the pictures. bonus points if the crew gets the movie quote.... |
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Posted: 2/15/2023 5:28:57 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By guns762: Update 2/15 Details continue across our project. We are reworking the slurry nozzle, with the help of a better and more detailed reference photo. https://i.imgur.com/LdVCyDC.jpg https://i.imgur.com/OVnNZJe.jpg Flaps are now extended. We will work to add more details to the inside of the the wing. https://i.imgur.com/im3N0n2.jpg We are getting to the detailed intakes on the cowlings, and they are taking time. My student is getting a bit burned out on these, so I may have to look for a new sculptor soon to help finish them. https://i.imgur.com/apdmdIH.jpg The tribute to the Granite Mountain Hot shots is going well. The artist thinks she is making this a little too detailed. We talked about airbrushing over it at the end to make it a bit more subtle. We will see. https://i.imgur.com/LWqKaG8.jpg More smoke was added the last couple days, and we are starting to see better results in the shape of the plume. https://i.imgur.com/JDAEVPf.jpg More update to follow today. I suppose the images from the train wreck have given them a bit of inspiration on the nature of smoke plumes to get the details more realistic. |
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Posted: 2/16/2023 10:49:59 AM EDT
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Update 2/16
Losing some of my team to Reginal Wrestling the next few days. We are trying different ways to attach the chutes to our smokejumpers. We think we are close to having a method that doesn't look terrible.   Final two large chutes under construction.  Detail lines continue. The new flexible rulers are very much appreciated. Many happy children. He stopped me just to tell me how much he appreciated the ruler.     Weird pod going on the rear of the fuselage.  Drone under construction.  Mural portraits going well. We are discussing how to incorporate a tribute to the Blackwater fire as well. Not sure exactly what we are going to do yet, but there are several good ideas.   Fire and smoke looking so much better. More paint needed.   |
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Posted: 2/16/2023 12:41:13 PM EDT
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The ability of these kids never ceases to amaze me.
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Posted: 2/16/2023 1:31:00 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 03screwlariat: The ability of these kids never ceases to amaze me. It’s their willingness to make design decisions with the knowledge that it is going to create extra work for themselves in pursuit of the vision that continues to impress. It’s an incredibly valuable character trait. |
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Posted: 2/16/2023 2:42:08 PM EDT
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You may have to move Kittah.....It looks like Puddy Tat is about to get flea powder dumped on it from a plane.
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Posted: 2/16/2023 4:24:48 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By guns762: Update 2/16 Losing some of my team to Reginal Wrestling the next few days. We are trying different ways to attach the chutes to our smokejumpers. We think we are close to having a method that doesn't look terrible. https://i.imgur.com/FoGdHvZ.jpg https://i.imgur.com/RVBHw8B.jpg Final two large chutes under construction. https://i.imgur.com/bG5pplL.jpg Detail lines continue. The new flexible rulers are very much appreciated. Many happy children. He stopped me just to tell me how much he appreciated the ruler. https://i.imgur.com/oCZUBvx.jpg https://i.imgur.com/XiJdTeI.jpg https://i.imgur.com/8g4PqZN.jpg Weird pod going on the rear of the fuselage. https://i.imgur.com/qBbfw6Q.jpg Drone under construction. https://i.imgur.com/oDnOAIx.jpg Mural portraits going well. We are discussing how to incorporate a tribute to the Blackwater fire as well. Not sure exactly what we are going to do yet, but there are several good ideas. https://i.imgur.com/e9HWZWr.jpg https://i.imgur.com/d7GrtXg.jpg Fire and smoke looking so much better. More paint needed. https://i.imgur.com/0p8aZpR.jpg https://i.imgur.com/CgdMfo9.jpg Do you know any macrame? For the parachute risers, in the last foot, pair them up by cutting off 1/3 of the threads making up each string, then re-twist together. Then an inch or two later, take two of the pairs and pair them together the same way, removing 1/3 of the threads and re-twisting the last 10". Then repeat as the threads turn into a cord then into a thicker rope. Basically this, but upside down, ignore the numbers, it's the structure for how to put all the risers merging into a single harness at the bottom without having a big bulge. The put a drop of candle wax on it or re-warm candle wax if already applied to lock it together for when cutting away 1/3 of the thread diameter is cutting a couple of the original threads entirely there's still that whole last foot of other threads holding on to keep it from flying loose.  |
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Posted: 2/17/2023 10:51:19 AM EDT
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It suddenly occurred to me that the Lady Observer just might be Ranger Smith's Granddaughter.
All that is needed next are signs, somewhere, that say Jellystone Park. |
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Posted: 2/17/2023 10:52:02 AM EDT
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Update 2/17
Frantic Friday....... Basketball, Wresting, Speech & Debate, along with a few other things will have my classes kind of empty today. We will endeavor to persevere.... This may have been a mistake, but we tried putting spray foam on the cowlings. It tends to be pretty soft and doesn't sand well. We will see how we do.    More foam added to the pod on the side of the fuselage.  Details on the tail. Rivets!!!  Slurry Nozzle getting some paper mache over the foam ball.  Underside of the wing, and the exposed "airframe" with the flaps extended. We have much more to go, but I think it's going to give believable look to the wing.  Slogan is up on the well and complete.  We decided to add a mural with the ridge above Blackwater Creek and we will indicate where the firefighters were lost in 1937.  Our tower getting the rest of the roof finished and our lookout spotter.  Finally, on this Friday, our Moose has finally left the 3D art room! Now if we can get the elk and deer out of there soon.   |
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Posted: 2/17/2023 11:56:57 AM EDT
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The Spray foam works quite well when the other option is "swap in new". It is far more porous than the thin cells that you're used to, and some of the internal bubbles can be pretty big. It will rasp down just as well and since you usually go over it with FRP or paper mache it should work just fine. Make sure it has enough time to fully cur so you don't break the skin of it then end up covered in goop that doesn't come off, especially if it hits clothes.
Some "Combat RC" Foam planes use it for repairs when the streamer is missed but wing hit. |
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Posted: 2/17/2023 5:35:47 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By dmnoid77: It's their willingness to make design decisions with the knowledge that it is going to create extra work for themselves in pursuit of the vision that continues to impress. It's an incredibly valuable character trait. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By dmnoid77: Originally Posted By 03screwlariat: The ability of these kids never ceases to amaze me. It's their willingness to make design decisions with the knowledge that it is going to create extra work for themselves in pursuit of the vision that continues to impress. It's an incredibly valuable character trait. It's just not that common. |
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Posted: 2/17/2023 7:35:25 PM EDT
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I was told this morning that there were a couple packages down in the office waiting for us, but I kind of forgot to get down there to grab them.
I'll get them Tuesday morning. We have Presidents day off.
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Posted: 2/17/2023 7:54:41 PM EDT
[#31]
@guns762
Are y’all gonna tone down the rivets so they aren’t so noticeable? |
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Posted: 2/17/2023 8:00:50 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By jarhead13: @guns762 Are y’all gonna tone down the rivets so they aren’t so noticeable? That is herasy!!! With paint, they won't be as noticeable.
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Posted: 2/17/2023 8:23:48 PM EDT
[Last Edit: brass]
[#33]
On the slurry nozzle, can you sand down/fill the impressed circles on the flange? Really makes it look like it should be in a bathroom instead of an airplane.
I know I whine about it too much, but there's nothing else for me to pick on, you guys are nailing it.  |
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Posted: 2/17/2023 8:38:55 PM EDT
[#34]
@guns762
Is there an Amazon wishlist for your class? |
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Posted: 2/17/2023 8:44:34 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By alphabavo: @guns762 Is there an Amazon wishlist for your class? Or the phone number and manager's name at the local Ace Hardware? |
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Posted: 2/17/2023 9:21:14 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By alphabavo: @guns762 Is there an Amazon wishlist for your class? I don't have that set up, but I can talk to the students next week and see if we are needing anything. I know we've burned out a couple low temp glue guns this last week. They stay plugged in almost all day, most days, and we put them to hard use. Another's cord broke at the gun just from continued use. |
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Posted: 2/17/2023 9:24:34 PM EDT
[Last Edit: guns762]
[#37]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By raffi383: Or the phone number and manager's name at the local Ace Hardware? Sylvia, I had her kids in class many years ago. She's always very helpful. Ace Hardware Powell WY 307-754-5811 |
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Posted: 2/17/2023 10:15:35 PM EDT
[#38]
Keeping a running wishlist would make it REALLY easy for more members to get you what you need/want…
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Posted: 2/18/2023 12:15:07 AM EDT
[#39]
Agreed, that would be cool, or could we donate to your card at ACE?
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Posted: 2/18/2023 12:17:47 AM EDT
[Last Edit: guns762]
[#40]
My wife reminded me that in 1988, our cabin(owned by her parents at the time) almost burned in the Big Horns. She told me how the Forest Service dropped slurry on it to keep it from burning. She recalls everything being pink.
She wants my kids to include that in the display. After some thought, this could be kind of a cool little addition. My buddy thinks it should be a 3D model and not just a painting. We will see if there is a place for it. Maybe under the mural of the slurry bomber? |
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Posted: 2/18/2023 12:29:59 AM EDT
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I feel bad because I never stopped to read the small memorial plaque next to Meadeow Lark Lake up in the Big Horns. I've driven by it thousands of times through my life growing up in the Big Horns. I've stopped next to it on countless rides down to Deer Haven Lodge.
 It's a memorial to the lost firefighters from Tensleep who parished in the Blackwater Creek Fire in 1937. A picture of it came up when we were researching the 1937 fire. My students think we can include this near our tower. Maybe a small model of the memorial. |
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Posted: 2/18/2023 12:50:31 AM EDT
[#42]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By guns762: I feel bad because I never stopped to read the small memorial plaque next to Meadeow Lark Lake up in the Big Horns. I've driven by it thousands of times through my life growing up in the Big Horns. I've stopped next to it on countless rides down to Deer Haven Lodge. It's a memorial to the lost firefighters from Tensleep who perished in the Blackwater Creek Fire in 1937. A picture of it came up when we were researching the 1937 fire. My students think we can include this near our tower. Maybe a small model of the memorial. That would be awesome. |
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Posted: 2/18/2023 12:57:52 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By armoredman: That would be awesome. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By armoredman: Originally Posted By guns762: I feel bad because I never stopped to read the small memorial plaque next to Meadeow Lark Lake up in the Big Horns. I've driven by it thousands of times through my life growing up in the Big Horns. I've stopped next to it on countless rides down to Deer Haven Lodge. It's a memorial to the lost firefighters from Tensleep who perished in the Blackwater Creek Fire in 1937. A picture of it came up when we were researching the 1937 fire. My students think we can include this near our tower. Maybe a small model of the memorial. That would be awesome.  
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Posted: 2/18/2023 3:48:49 AM EDT
[#44]
God Bless those lost fighting the dragon.
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Posted: 2/18/2023 6:29:46 PM EDT
[Last Edit: xanadu]
[#45]
Me, my wife and my 8 children attended a family reunion in Glenwood Springs CO in June 1994. A month later 14 firefighters died just a mile or so away from where we all gathered together.
I've never forgotten that "we were just there", and then suddenly some brave souls were not.
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Posted: 2/19/2023 8:47:52 PM EDT
[#46]
So Hoodies aren't going to happen? Just checking.
BTW, something I think you might find cool. Star Island My Grandparents used to volunteer out there, and their kids (my Mom among them) did as well. Gets really nasty out on the sea, but its really cool. They recently added solar so they have power now, but all the old structures including the cisterns and stone library are still there and up. The hotel burnt down but they've rebuilt it. Really, really cool place. I've been once and plan to go back this summer (takes about an hour by boat). Just thinking historical stuff and one that my family is connected to. Let me know if you are curious about more info, I think I have some photo's around from my last visit. |
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Posted: 2/20/2023 12:21:14 AM EDT
[#47]
Waitaminnit....did I see a "pic-a-nic" basket on the tower...?
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Posted: 2/20/2023 9:41:24 AM EDT
[#48]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By UnluckyDiablo: So Hoodies aren't going to happen? Just checking. BTW, something I think you might find cool. Star Island My Grandparents used to volunteer out there, and their kids (my Mom among them) did as well. Gets really nasty out on the sea, but its really cool. They recently added solar so they have power now, but all the old structures including the cisterns and stone library are still there and up. The hotel burnt down but they've rebuilt it. Really, really cool place. I've been once and plan to go back this summer (takes about an hour by boat). Just thinking historical stuff and one that my family is connected to. Let me know if you are curious about more info, I think I have some photo's around from my last visit. Hoodies are happening. Three choices in color.
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Posted: 2/20/2023 9:42:36 AM EDT
[#49]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By armoredman: Waitaminnit....did I see a "pic-a-nic" basket on the tower...? I thought I got a good picture of it.
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Posted: 2/21/2023 11:54:15 AM EDT
[#50]
Update 2/21
I've got a little work to do on the T-shirt fundraiser set up, but we should be able to get that up and running sometime this week. We got our first coats of paint on the nose of our C-130 last Friday.  We've got a few details we overlooked needing some attention before we do much more paint.  This guy took having a pencil seriously. That's a pencil.    Little details on the side of the fuselage coming along well.  Friday had us working full throttle on the engine cowlings. Trying to clean up the interior of the intakes a bit with a dremel.   Exterior spray foam rasped off. Not great, not terrible.  Bondo seemed like the best idea form further refining the shape after the spray foam.   A little sanding and more bondo, and we are getting there.  |
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