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8/14/2008 7:05:57 PM EDT
The Fudds/Fisherman want to keep us out of the Headwaters of the Upper Chattooga so they can fish for stocked Non-Native Fish.  I know how much everyone on Ar15.com hates Fudds so please help out by at least posting a comment supporting Alternative 8, or use the Fudds own form against them as instructed below.

In a nutshell, the Forest Service banned boating on the headwaters of the Chattooga (where part of Deliverance was filmed) in the early 70's.  The Wild and Scenic River act does not prohibit boating, but the Forest Service has made up their own interpretation of the law (Kind of like the BATF).  They have banned boating and stock the headwaters of the Chattooga with Non-Native fish for fisherman.  American Whitewater dropped their lawsuit against the Forest Service, because they said they would work with us, and just like the BATF, you will see their idea of working with us below.

send comments supporting Alternative 8 to:
[email protected]

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Some backgound info:


I think you're going to need to sit down for this one…..

Are you ready??

For those of you who thought, "Well at least we'll have 6 boatable
days on average in the headwaters", you are sadly mistaken. Have you
read the EA closely? In the FS Environmental Assessment – Managing
Recreation Uses on the Upper Chattooga River, at the bottom of page
8, it states:

"In this and other alternatives that consider boating at specific
flow levels, the term "boatable day" is based on a PREDICTABLE 24-
hour flow average rather than on a PREDICTION that the river may
reach a certain flow level for a limited amount of time on a given
day. For example, in Alternative 4, the corresponding number
of "boatable days" is the estimated number of days when the water
level would be PREDICTED to average 450 cfs over the course of a 24-
hour period, not simply when the flow level is expected to hit 450
cfs for a limited time."

Furthermore, the FS thinks there will be an average number of 6 (a
range of 0 to 11) boatable days for its alternative, #4.

From the Macon County News, July 14 2008:

""How is that (450cfs daily mean) going to be measured? Well, I don't
know if all of that has been worked out yet," Seyden said. Sumter
National Forest Public Affairs Officer Michelle Burnette
said, "Currently, the agency is exploring a variety of ways to
predict a `boatable' day. If the preferred alternative is
implemented, the agency will declare a `boatable' day and will most
likely post this information on the Forest Service Web site." She
said a self-registering system would be put in place similar to the
type used on lower portions of the river."

Read the full article at:
www.maconnews.com/index.php? option=com_content&task=view&id=2915&

What does that all mean?? The word you need to pay close attention to
is "PREDICTED". The FS is not going to drive by its gage on Burrels
Ford to KNOW it's a boatable day, instead they will use PREDICTED
rainfall totals. The FS used several years' worth of Real-Time water
level data from the FS Burrels Ford water gage to know the river
would reach a daily mean flow of 450 cfs 6 times a year on average.
With that, they also know the average amount of rain it takes to make
the headwaters reach a daily mean of 450cfs. In Alternative #4, they
will use PREDICTIONED rainfall totals. When the rainfall totals are
equal to the average amount of rain it takes to reach the 450cfs
daily mean, the FS will declare a day "boatable". They won't use an
actual river gage readings!! Anyone who's done river correlations
knows this is absurd!

Here's where the problem lies: We have 6 boatable days on average.
For argument's sake, let's say the headwaters will run after an
average of 1.5" of rain. That means 50% of the time it will run when
less than 1.5" of rain has fallen and 50% of the time it will reach
runnable levels only when more rain has fallen. Right away you loose
50% of your boating days. Now we are down to 3 boatable days!

Let's look at the 3 boatable days left --- Just because 1.5" of rain
fell doesn't mean the river came up to runnable levels. The rain
PREDICTIONS are frequently wrong. Even though the FS declares a day
boatable and legal to run, that doesn't mean there will be enough
water in the river! The converse is also true, if 1" is PREDICTED,
but 1.5" falls, its not a boatable day because it was not PREDICTED.
In other words you loose two PREDICTED days because of the natural
margin of error in this type of PREDICTION.

Remember, rain PREDICTIONS are frequently wrong. Therefore, there is
only 1" of rain PREDICTED, but 1.5" falls. Since it wasn't PREDICTED,
you loose that day too, because they weren't PREDICTED!

Let's now look at the timing issue. The FS estimated 6 days would be
runnable. They never said what time of day that was. How often have
you seen your favorite river become runnable too late in the day?
Yep! You loose that PREDICTED day too! Remember, Chauga River only
runs at night and on Wednesdays.

How rain effects a river also depends on how much fell how fast. A
long soaking rain affects a river differently than a hard short rain
of the same amount. So, now the FS PREDICTS the river will run,
however the rain came down in a single massive storm and not a slow
soaking rain. The headwaters are declared boatable by their
PREDICTIONS, but is in fact too high to run and will drop to below
runnable levels the next day. You loose that PREDICTED day too!!

Of all the PREDICTED runnable days 71% will be on weekdays when, real
people, with real jobs, and real lives won't be able to drop
everything and head for the river. So, if that describes you, you
loose those PREDICTED days too!!

Remember in the Macon Times article it said that when the headwaters
are PREDICTED to be runnable the FS "will most likely post this
information on the Forest Service Web site." This was the message I
got off the FS website on 7/13/08 and 7/14/08:

"We are experiencing technical difficulties with our web site at this
time. Visitors to the site may find that some information is outdated
or unavailable. We are working to resolve this issue as soon as
possible. In the meantime, if you cannot find the information you
need, please call (803) 561-4000 or e-mail cforney@.... We
apologize for any inconvenience."

You guessed it, you loose that PREDICTED day too!! And I assume the
Sumter National Forest Staff isn't well versed in HTML and is unable
to post something on their web site at the drop of a hat because
their web geek has gone home for the day. Yes, you guessed it, you
loose those PREDICTED days too!!

Now let's do the math:

6 average boatable days
-3 because they fall below the average rain totals
-2 because of natural margin of error in rainfall predictions
-1 because runnable water levels happened at night (think Chauga)
-1 because the water level is too high
-1 because you have a life
-1 because the FS web site is frequently "experiencing technical
difficulties"
-1 because the FS is too busy fishing the headwaters to learn HTML
and update their own website.
-1 because the FS is too busy attending another non-native aquatic
species fish fry thrown by TU.

Am I starting to sound bitter??? Now let's add things up……….

Thanks to PREDICTIONS you now have NEGATIVE 5 days to boat the
headwaters every year!! And I'm sure they are looking at a way to
restrict us from enjoying those too!!

Alternative #4 does not allow boating in the headwaters. It is in
FACT a continuation of the 30 year-old boating ban. Write your
letters:

Have you sent your comments in yet?
Send it to: [email protected]

Send a copy to the Chief of the Forest Service at: [email protected]

Did you send a copy to your Senator and Representative?
Find your Rep here: www.house.gov/
Find your Senator here: www.senate.gov/

Need to know the facts?
Forest Service: www.fs.fed.us/r8/fms
American Whitewater's view:
www.americanwhitewater.org/content/Article_view_articleid_30112 _display_full_
FAQ: www.americanwhitewater.org/content/Wiki/do- op/id/aw:chattooga_faq


Thank-you
Broncobisley1

edited because Someone squealed to the camo coalition that we were using their forms against them, just like how we use the Brady Camps forms against them.  Fisherman are just as bad as the Fudd hunters who think everything is just about them.  
8/15/2008 9:25:41 AM EDT
[#1]
Bump, please help out.  
8/15/2008 5:20:00 PM EDT
[#2]
Wow, I'm surprised no replies.  Usually when someone has a request a least someone replies.  

I took out the link to the camo coalition and how to modify the form letter cause someone squealed to them right after I bumped this thread so they modified it.