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Posted: 5/1/2024 8:24:35 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: When the first crewed Dragon flew, a crewed Starliner was still years away. Ok? It still doesn't change that starliner has hardware on the pad and crewed dreamchaser is still vapor ware. Are you really advocating cancelling starliner right now? I would be just fine if starliner only flies every few years as nothing more than a backup crew option until starship is man rated. Ditching starliner now would mean the only crew alternative would again be soyuz which I'm sure the Russians would be happy to take full advantage of. |
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Posted: 5/1/2024 11:43:12 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Ok? It still doesn't change that starliner has hardware on the pad and crewed dreamchaser is still vapor ware. Are you really advocating cancelling starliner right now? I would be just fine if starliner only flies every few years as nothing more than a backup crew option until starship is man rated. Ditching starliner now would mean the only crew alternative would again be soyuz which I'm sure the Russians would be happy to take full advantage of. Is the plan to develop a crewed Dream Chaser? I am skeptical that Starship will be man-rated. |
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Posted: 5/1/2024 11:45:18 AM EST
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I'm not getting inside a capsule built by Boeing.
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Posted: 5/1/2024 11:49:03 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Is the plan to develop a crewed Dream Chaser? I am skeptical that Starship will be man-rated. Starship will be man rated. As a lunar lander at first, per their NASA contract. If they fly it a third as often as they intend to they will work out any bugs fairly quickly. SNC seem to be waffling back and forth on a crewed Dream Chaser. Probably waiting until there is a market for such a thing. I would guess they want to do it but at the moment its a bigger expense than what the company can justify. If Starliner fails spectacularly and those contracts are cancelled it will probably provide a major incentive for a manned Dream Chaser. |
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Posted: 5/1/2024 1:46:44 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Starship will be man rated. As a lunar lander at first, per their NASA contract. If they fly it a third as often as they intend to they will work out any bugs fairly quickly. SNC seem to be waffling back and forth on a crewed Dream Chaser. Probably waiting until there is a market for such a thing. I would guess they want to do it but at the moment its a bigger expense than what the company can justify. If Starliner fails spectacularly and those contracts are cancelled it will probably provide a major incentive for a manned Dream Chaser. Dreamchaser was planned for crew from the start. It's only been developed as an unmanned cargo runner because that's what NASA paid for. If it works out as a cargo runner, it makes no sense not to make a crewed version. The ability to land on a runway is an even bigger advantage for crew than it is an empty ship or one with trash or science experiments. Starliner isn't at risk of failing spectacularly. It already has. I suspect that NASA is already pinning hopes on Dreamchaser as a replacement for it. Starliner hasn't killed anyone...yet. But the program has been a complete shitshow. |
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Posted: 5/1/2024 1:53:29 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Dreamchaser was planned for crew from the start. It's only been developed as an unmanned cargo runner because that's what NASA paid for. If it works out as a cargo runner, it makes no sense not to make a crewed version. The ability to land on a runway is an even bigger advantage for crew than it is an empty ship or one with trash or science experiments. Starliner isn't at risk of failing spectacularly. It already has. I suspect that NASA is already pinning hopes on Dreamchaser as a replacement for it. Starliner hasn't killed anyone...yet. But the program has been a complete shitshow. Just looked up what Dreamcatcher is. It looks like that emergency shuttle they were going to permanently station on the ISS in case of the crew needing to quickly abandon the ISS. |
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Posted: 5/1/2024 2:00:59 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Just looked up what Dreamcatcher is. It looks like that emergency shuttle they were going to permanently station on the ISS in case of the crew needing to quickly abandon the ISS. It honestly looks alot like what the shuttle should have been from the very start |
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Posted: 5/1/2024 2:04:11 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: It honestly looks alot like what the shuttle should have been from the very start Something designed to go back and forth between a space station and not something built to snatch Soviet spy satellites and put large American spy satellites in orbit? 
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Posted: 5/1/2024 2:09:52 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Something designed to go back and forth between a space station and not something built to snatch Soviet spy satellites and put large American spy satellites in orbit? I'd like to believe that as an explanation for it. |
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Posted: 5/1/2024 2:18:06 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I'd like to believe that as an explanation for it. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Something designed to go back and forth between a space station and not something built to snatch Soviet spy satellites and put large American spy satellites in orbit? I'd like to believe that as an explanation for it.  The Most Important Space Shuttle Mission Never Happened |
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Posted: 5/1/2024 2:19:15 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Good luck with that. They are going to need it. Glad I'm not taking that ride.  Not the first one. Buy I'd take the 4th |
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Posted: 5/1/2024 3:51:34 PM EST
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Has the "Butch Cassidy & The Suni[Dance] Kid" joke been made already?
The fall will definitely kill them. |
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Posted: 5/2/2024 10:11:46 AM EST
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Weather 90% GO for Monday's launch
The forecast from Launch Weather Officer Brian Belson of the Space Force's 45th Weather Squadron indicates a 90 percent chance of acceptable conditions for Monday's 10:34 p.m. EDT (0234 UTC) launch of Atlas V and Boeing's Starliner. |
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Posted: 5/3/2024 9:49:33 AM EST
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 Atlas V Starliner CFT Mission Profile |
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Posted: 5/3/2024 10:07:23 AM EST
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In other news, OIG report on uncrewed Orion capsule test reveals heat shield failure worse than previously revealed by NASA, burnthrough caused some damage to the capsule
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Posted: 5/3/2024 10:26:35 AM EST
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I hope all the nuts and bolts are in it.
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Posted: 5/3/2024 11:34:49 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: In other news, OIG report on uncrewed Orion capsule test reveals heat shield failure worse than previously revealed by NASA, burnthrough caused some damage to the capsule https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/172926/6984D37F-4C47-4ACE-80AC-623581C04049_jpe-3204399.JPG https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/172926/D888D863-86B8-488F-B7EF-F6968FFFDE84_jpe-3204400.JPG https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/172926/303D8F0B-2BEE-462F-852B-4B8F4DF06C7D_jpe-3204402.JPG https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/172926/D0C1876F-11A6-4C91-8A37-B5CA32E25A58_jpe-3204405.JPG No way I would ride in that thing. |
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Posted: 5/3/2024 5:03:05 PM EST
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Posted: 5/3/2024 7:08:56 PM EST
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If that separation bolt is subject to the high heat of re-entry, how should it look?
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Posted: 5/3/2024 9:37:00 PM EST
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 NASA’s Boeing Starliner Crew Flight Test Prelaunch News Conference (May 3, 2024) |
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Posted: 5/3/2024 9:37:15 PM EST
[#21]
Those poor people.
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Posted: 5/3/2024 11:39:04 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Those poor people. The Atlas V rocket has 99 launches with success and no failures since 2002 so the Atlas V stage will likely be no issue. Starliner is what is in question here. Other than the environmental control systems (climate control and 02 system) I guess death would be quick and painless if an issue happens between launch and docking with ISS. The claimed free flight duration of Starliner is 60 hours. So if it could not dock due to issues I would think that is the max time to re-enter and return crew safe. If the maneuvering system is working as designed. (which it didn't on it's first flight). If they make it to ISS and dock (24 hour journey), but find issues while on station that keep them from making safe return in Starliner then any or even all crew aboard ISS could ride the Dragon and Soyuz back down to Earth if needed depending on how severe the issue was. If after nearly a week docked to ISS testing and the test crew board Starliner then undock and return to land (6 hours minimum from undock to first re-entry window) and there is an issue with environmental control or navigation/thrusters/de-orbit burns then we could witness another Columbia like accident. Landing zones are not splashdown in the ocean but: White Sands Missile Range, New Mexico; Willcox, Arizona; Dugway Proving Ground, Utah. And Edwards Air Force Base as a contingency. |
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Posted: 5/4/2024 11:05:46 AM EST
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On the pad!
Our Atlas V rocket has arrived at its Cape Canaveral pad to launch two astronauts Monday night on Boeing's Crew Flight Test in NASA's Commercial Crew Program. Butch Wilmore and Suni Williams, both retired Navy captains, space shuttle fliers and past long-duration residents aboard the International Space Station, will test the Starliner spacecraft in preparation for regular crew rotation missions to the station beginning next year.  Interesting that there are three landing sites. |
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Posted: 5/5/2024 8:43:37 AM EST
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May 04 15:24. Rollout day concludes
The joint ULA, Boeing and NASA team is wrapping up the planned activities for rollout day and the Atlas V rocket is being powered down for the night. The next event will be starting the launch countdown Monday morning. 
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Posted: 5/5/2024 8:56:13 AM EST
[#25]
Quote HistoryQuoted: May 04 15:24. Rollout day concludes The joint ULA, Boeing and NASA team is wrapping up the planned activities for rollout day and the Atlas V rocket is being powered down for the night. The next event will be starting the launch countdown Monday morning. https://img.24live.co/event/3520105635873268419/20240504212430_668430.jpeg That's the vibe you get when you haven't unlocked unlimited parts count in Kerbal Space Program. Kharn |
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Posted: 5/5/2024 8:57:49 AM EST
[#26]
Launch forecast is 90% go for weather.
So far all systems are go with the rocket/payload. |
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Posted: 5/5/2024 9:55:18 AM EST
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Posted: 5/5/2024 10:25:38 AM EST
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Teacher, I have a question! This video shows us a hypersonic sled travelling at 6600mph. According to NASA, rockets needs to be rolling out at almost 25000mph to escape earth's atmosphere. This equates to roughly 4 miles per second.
Why can I not see the sled, even when they slow the frame rate down? It is moving 4x slower than the usual rockets we see, and we can see them for quite an extended period of time.  Hypersonic Sled Travels at 6,599 mph - Secret Test Site |
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Posted: 5/5/2024 10:40:04 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Teacher, I have a question! This video shows us a hypersonic sled travelling at 6600mph. According to NASA, rockets needs to be rolling out at almost 25000mph to escape earth's atmosphere. This equates to roughly 4 miles per second. Why can I not see the sled, even when they slow the frame rate down? It is moving 4x slower than the usual rockets we see, and we can see them for quite an extended period of time.  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yos4oz_d0c0Because the rockets are accelerating, and don’t reach escape velocity until well into the launch. They are moving relatively slowly because they’re heavy and it takes time to accelerate to speed. |
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Posted: 5/5/2024 10:40:30 AM EST
[#30]
17,500 mph for LEO.
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Posted: 5/5/2024 10:50:23 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Teacher, I have a question! This video shows us a hypersonic sled travelling at 6600mph. According to NASA, rockets needs to be rolling out at almost 25000mph to escape earth's atmosphere. This equates to roughly 4 miles per second. Why can I not see the sled, even when they slow the frame rate down? It is moving 4x slower than the usual rockets we see, and we can see them for quite an extended period of time. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yos4oz_d0c0You ever been to an airshow with the blue angels or thunderbirds? It's the same reason you only see the solo jet for a moment when it does it's surprise pass, yet you can watch a faster moving airliner fly across the sky dispersing chem trails for hundreds of miles. |
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Posted: 5/5/2024 1:31:32 PM EST
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Kinda feels like they are tempting fate with this news segment.
 Boeing Starliner set for launch taking 2 astronauts into space I suppose we will all find out soon enough. |
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Posted: 5/5/2024 1:39:11 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Kinda feels like they are tempting fate with this news segment. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0lS-b5x2h1UI suppose we will all find out soon enough. I spent a lot of time at the Fernbank observatory many years ago. |
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Posted: 5/5/2024 9:26:14 PM EST
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Posted: 5/6/2024 7:38:43 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: May 04 15:24. Rollout day concludes The joint ULA, Boeing and NASA team is wrapping up the planned activities for rollout day and the Atlas V rocket is being powered down for the night. The next event will be starting the launch countdown Monday morning. https://img.24live.co/event/3520105635873268419/20240504212430_668430.jpeg |
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Posted: 5/6/2024 7:51:10 AM EST
[#36]
When is the memorial service?
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Posted: 5/6/2024 7:54:06 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Anyone know the launch pad number? SLC-41 |
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Posted: 5/6/2024 7:59:46 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: SLC-41 Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Anyone know the launch pad number? SLC-41 |
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Posted: 5/6/2024 12:10:13 PM EST
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Did it launch?
ETA- Looks like it doesn't light off till 10:30 EDT |
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Posted: 5/6/2024 12:57:27 PM EST
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https://arstechnica.com/space/2024/05/the-surprise-is-not-that-boeing-lost-commercial-crew-but-that-it-finished-at-all/
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Posted: 5/6/2024 5:30:12 PM EST
[#41]
 NASA’s Boeing Starliner Crew Flight Test Launch Attempt – May 6, 2024 (Official NASA Broadcast) |
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Posted: 5/6/2024 5:31:14 PM EST
[#42]
 [SCRUB] ULA Atlas V Launches Starliner Crew Flight Test |
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Posted: 5/6/2024 5:38:30 PM EST
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Didn't it come out over the weekend that the last orbital flight of the Starliner nearly burnt up during re-entry?
The heat shield pretty much came apart. |
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Posted: 5/6/2024 5:39:33 PM EST
[#44]
Butch Wilmore's first name is appropriate.
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Posted: 5/6/2024 5:42:15 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Didn't it come out over the weekend that the last orbital flight of the Starliner nearly burnt up during re-entry? The heat shield pretty much came apart. That is Orion, the nasa capsule for the Artemis program. |
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Posted: 5/6/2024 5:42:22 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Didn't it come out over the weekend that the last orbital flight of the Starliner nearly burnt up during re-entry? The heat shield pretty much came apart. you could scroll up to find out. 
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Posted: 5/6/2024 6:04:52 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Did it launch? ETA- Looks like it doesn't light off till 10:30 EDT See page 1, post 1 |
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Posted: 5/6/2024 6:05:15 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Didn't it come out over the weekend that the last orbital flight of the Starliner nearly burnt up during re-entry? The heat shield pretty much came apart. See post 15 above. |
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Posted: 5/6/2024 6:40:06 PM EST
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Looks like the crew is about to board.
Feeling a bit more serious... |
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Posted: 5/6/2024 6:58:49 PM EST
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Here's the NASA-TV stream on YouTube. They have viewers' comments along the side for the livestream which might be even more entertaining than the launch attempt itself. I don't know how long NASA will allow the unwashed masses to do running commentary during their launch livestreams, might as well enjoy it while we can...
 NASA’s Boeing Starliner Crew Flight Test Launch Attempt – May 6, 2024 (Official NASA Broadcast) |
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