[ARCHIVED THREAD] - Flash Bangs (Page 1 of 2)
Posted: 1/11/2010 3:45:24 AM EDT
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Quoted: they are dangerous to person and property, and I've personally seen what happened to someone who decided to play with one... he only has 2 toes left on his foot. They are a severe fire hazard, they have to be kept in a federally-certified explosives locker which is not permitted to be on any residential property what so ever, and they have enough explosives to do severe damage to a human. They aren't a mere distraction device to go "POP" and that's it, there is serious consequence to using them. Just "chuck a flash bang at my door" would do damage to your floors, possibly start a fire, and you would have hours spent clearing your house of smoke. This is seriously one thing has no other purpose but to stun and detain, with no remorse for the dwelling they are used in.No No TN ender, I am saying I think some of the regulation on flash bang devices might be a bit of over kill not there use. I agree also that as a citizen to have the ablity to chuck a flash bang at my door if someone just kicked it in might just eliminate the need for a gun fight or injuiry to me or my family. I do not think they would be good for walking around Wal-Mart with but in your home thats a different IShootPics you are just wrong, please do not try to decide the approiateness or the deservingness of what my needs may or not be. |
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I've thrown a lot of flashbangs over my career and I can tell you they are nothing to play with. They are individual destructive devices and I can guarantee you more often than not they will start a fire. You are much better served as an individual by using cover and your favorite HD weapon while your spouse calls 911. The tactical advantage almost always lies with the person inside who is holding behind cover and not with the person assaulting the fixed position. The flashbang serves to reduce the defenders tactical advantage. |
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As opposed to killing them,... seems a bit of over kill to me. if you're not SWAT, or mil, there really is absolutely NO civilian need or use for flashbangs, what so ever This. I can only imagine some fool who gets a hold of a flash bang... He keeps it in his night stand as part of his "Home Defense Load out"... He hears glass break during the night, sneaks around his house with his tricked out AR, and ends up flash crashing himself. |
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: As opposed to killing them,... seems a bit of over kill to me. if you're not SWAT, or mil, there really is absolutely NO civilian need or use for flashbangs, what so ever This. I can only imagine some fool who gets a hold of a flash bang... He keeps it in his night stand as part of his "Home Defense Load out"... He hears glass break during the night, sneaks around his house with his tricked out AR, and ends up flash crashing himself. how bout some medics that snuck one out from the locker and got drunk at a party.... |
| I think anykind of arty sim round or flashbang could be very useful in establishing a non-lethal perimeter security. Mil experience taught me trip wires were always the first ones to notice anyone attempting a shot at our perimiter. Picture any home with a good sized yard ala Katrina and the shock alone of some arty sims, flashbangs etc would help you, help them make a more informed decision about looting your home etc. Without killing them. just my .02 |
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Quoted: I think anykind of arty sim round or flashbang could be very useful in establishing a non-lethal perimeter security. Mil experience taught me trip wires were always the first ones to notice anyone attempting a shot at our perimiter. Picture any home with a good sized yard ala Katrina and the shock alone of some arty sims, flashbangs etc would help you, help them make a more informed decision about looting your home etc. Without killing them. just my .02 and in most states, something like that is considered a booby trap, and will catch you a felony or class A misd. without hesitation. not only that but can injure or maim whoever you're using it on. flat out, i really think most here dont realize just how fucking dangerous these are, "need/want" or not. they license you to drive a car because, well, its inherently dangerous. a flash bang is not a toy, a novelty, or something to be used against an intruder. what happens when you stop someone? you going to "detain" them? not only do you now have assault, but false imprisonment. The law is not on your side here. |
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they're crappy.... use stun grenades for more points ? Flash-Bangs are a type of stun grenade. Unless you are talking about offensive/aka concussion grenades, those can kill pretty easily. i was making a joke in reference to Call of Duty 
Nothing like getting that random impact kill when you toss a stun over a wall 
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As opposed to killing them,... seems a bit of over kill to me. if you're not SWAT, or mil, there really is absolutely NO civilian need or use for flashbangs, what so ever Incorrect. Think about it. For example I have ton of extremely arrogant and annoying employees. Now if I had a pocket full of flash bangs, everytime they acted as previously described, I could drop one on the floor, close my eyes and plug my ears. As soon as it went off, I could punch said employee in the face as hard as possible. When ever they regain consciousness , I could tell them that they passed out and bounced their head off of the floor when they hit. All while acting deeply concerned. See perfectly good use.
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never need? maybe, should they be destructive devices and need a $200 tax stamp and an explosives magazine to own? no..
you are either for or against restrictive laws with no purpose.. if some jackass wants to use a flash bang for home defense and torches his house, it can be at his peril and on his dime.. |
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Quoted: flat out, i really think most here dont realize just how fucking dangerous these are, "need/want" or not. Not saying these things are harmless noisemakers (seen 'em in action), but we should regulate them as much why? Up until the post-9/11 legislative blitz many folks could purchase, possess and use explosives in a much larger quantity and strength than the amount used in a DD (Distraction Device, not Destructive Device) with just a DL or state ID. And "danger" as decided by whom? At what point does it end? When we're like England, and afraid of our own shadow filing a complaint against us for stalking? license you to drive a car because, well, its inherently dangerous  Negative. They license you (and the vehicle) as a means of generating revenue, as well as a control thing. There is no law that requires you to have a license to drive a vehicle on your own property.a flash bang is not a toy, a novelty, or something to be used against an intruder. what happens when you stop someone? you going to "detain" them? not only do you now have assault, but false imprisonment. If it's inside your property that's debatable, and would vary widely from state to state, as well as county and municipality. The law is not on your side here. While it (again) depends on many of the factors I mention immediately above, I'll agree with you in a general sense. |
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: they're crappy.... use stun grenades for more points ? Flash-Bangs are a type of stun grenade. Unless you are talking about offensive/aka concussion grenades, those can kill pretty easily. i was making a joke in reference to Call of Duty Nothing like getting that random impact kill when you toss a stun over a wall Smacked a guy in the face with one on Terminal last night. He had full health, and I killed him.  |
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Wow I did not realize that these were such a big deal. I guess I under estimated there power. Designed to blind, deafen and disarray the victims... So you can walk in and put one right between they're eyes. Only available if you are issued jackboots. |
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I think anykind of arty sim round or flashbang could be very useful in establishing a non-lethal perimeter security. Mil experience taught me trip wires were always the first ones to notice anyone attempting a shot at our perimiter. Picture any home with a good sized yard ala Katrina and the shock alone of some arty sims, flashbangs etc would help you, help them make a more informed decision about looting your home etc. Without killing them. just my .02 and in most states, something like that is considered a booby trap, and will catch you a felony or class A misd. without hesitation. not only that but can injure or maim whoever you're using it on. flat out, i really think most here dont realize just how fucking dangerous these are, "need/want" or not. they license you to drive a car because, well, its inherently dangerous. a flash bang is not a toy, a novelty, or something to be used against an intruder. what happens when you stop someone? you going to "detain" them? not only do you now have assault, but false imprisonment. The law is not on your side here. I understand that. I was just referencing a situation like Katrina where it was either judged by 12 or carried by 6. In which case... |
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I've thrown a lot of flashbangs over my career and I can tell you they are nothing to play with. They are individual destructive devices and I can guarantee you more often than not they will start a fire. You are much better served as an individual by using cover and your favorite HD weapon while your spouse calls 911. The tactical advantage almost always lies with the person inside who is holding behind cover and not with the person assaulting the fixed position. The flashbang serves to reduce the defenders tactical advantage. I think they could also benefical to gain an additional defensive advantage since the attackers would be funneled into a bottleneck (my front door) dealing with the effects of a flash bang while entering the room... Lets face it the first thing attackers would do coming thru a door while taking fire would be to take cover. Then a gun fight starts. I would much rather stun them before they have the ability to take cover. All good stuff here Swatter,.(really) And I think you do make probably the best argument yet against there use. Love your saying "There is no tactical problem that cannot be resolved through the judicious application of explosives" I guess there are some situations then.(half joking) |
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They are destructive devices due to the amount and type of explosive inside the device. Each requires a Form 4 to the ATF for transfer and the required $200 tax PER GRENADE and that is IF you can find someone willing to sell to you. Not a chance.
EDIT: I believe you have to have an explosives license to store them too, like frag grenades. Technically its possible to do, but without the licenses and tax stamps costing at least a couple of grand, its not going to happen. |
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I know ammo to go had a "training" flash bang that had under the limit of powder in it or something to use in a training environment. I'll check if they still do...ammo to go
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$200 tax stamp per device is the inexpensive part... You need at a minimum, a Type II magazine for storage, which cannot be located at a dwelling. It is a lot less hassle to become a cop and join a SWAT team if you want to play with them. If you are a professional user, there are only a few really good choices for non-deflagrating-body nfdd's (well, actually, imho, only 1 really good choice), but you'd do better to look elsewhere for such info. |
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Quoted: $200 tax stamp per device is the inexpensive part... You need at a minimum, a Type II magazine for storage, which cannot be located at a dwelling. It is a lot less hassle to become a cop and join a SWAT team if you want to play with them. If you are a professional user, there are only a few really good choices for non-deflagrating-body nfdd's (well, actually, imho, only 1 really good choice), but you'd do better to look elsewhere for such info.  I didn't know you guys had piggly wiggly's up in Yankeeville CXS |
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As opposed to killing them,... seems a bit of over kill to me. It's all a matter of the least force necessary if we can put a bang or two in a room and apprehend the subjects it takes some of the danger out of the equation . The fewer shots fired the lower the chance of anyone getting shot. |
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As opposed to killing them,... seems a bit of over kill to me. if you're not SWAT, or mil, there really is absolutely NO civilian need or use for flashbangs, what so ever Entertainment? Home defense? Imagine an intruder ending up in your house and the toss a flash bang in with him! I bet that makes an impression on him! |
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No No TN ender, I am saying I think some of the regulation on flash bang devices might be a bit of over kill not there use.
I agree also that as a citizen to have the ablity to chuck a flash bang at my door if someone just kicked it in might just eliminate the need for a gun fight or injuiry to me or my family. I do not think they would be good for walking around Wal-Mart with but in your home thats a different IShootPics you are just wrong, please do not try to decide the approiateness or the deservingness of what my needs may or not be. |
| i had one go off in my face, short fuze, it was kinda loud and sorta bright, blew off the top layer of my glove and fogged my eye pro, ive been in a room playing opfor too, if youve been exposed to em before they really are not that bad, the 9 bangs are where its at. or CS for smoking em out. not a fan of flashbangs but im not a cop. some kinds can start fires too |
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Again, I did not realize the power of these units.
Since I have a concrete floor I wouldn't be concerned against fire. If I were to use the ones with or without the rubber balls the walls might be damaged, but I really would not be concerned with my property if my life were just saved. I would be concerned about using them properly as not to hurt myself. Some people are basically saying that they have no defensive value. I would disagree. It could be a situation ender. But you have to be perplexed by some of the care some of these people are showing would be B & E'ers, killers, rapist, kidnappers, etc. that might home invade. That these units would deafen, blind and/or blow of a body part of a would be attacker. You have to question why it would not be agreeable to stun an attacker but the same people would be for putting 2 in the chest and 1 in the ticker with a 45. |
