Posted: 5/11/2014 10:03:01 AM EDT
LONG LIVE THE CONFEDERACY!
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Yeah, okay. I thought it was going to be something cool like an old rifle or something. Weren't Kentucky and Missouri union states? They were union states that both held slaves. MANY people left those states to join confederate units. They were Union in name only |
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Maryland was not a Confederate state genius. And Arizona, New Mexico and Oklahoma weren't even states yet. |
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Maryland was not a Confederate state genius. And Arizona, New Mexico and Oklahoma weren't even states yet. Quoted:
Maryland was not a Confederate state genius. And Arizona, New Mexico and Oklahoma weren't even states yet. Correct, they were territories, but help yourself to a real reference book and find out about Confederate Arizona and New Mexico and the real battles that were actually fought there. Also, Lincoln had almost all of the Baltimore city govt jailed for the duration of the war because they wanted to secede. |
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Correct, they were territories, but help yourself to a real reference book and find out about Confederate Arizona and New Mexico and the real battles that were actually fought there. Also, Lincoln had almost all of the Baltimore city govt jailed for the duration of the war because they wanted to secede. Quoted:
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Maryland was not a Confederate state genius. And Arizona, New Mexico and Oklahoma weren't even states yet. Correct, they were territories, but help yourself to a real reference book and find out about Confederate Arizona and New Mexico and the real battles that were actually fought there. Also, Lincoln had almost all of the Baltimore city govt jailed for the duration of the war because they wanted to secede. Hey fuck that, my 4th grade history teacher said those evil slave owning white people lost the war because all the nice non-slave owning black-people loving whites in the north graciously volunteered to sacrifice themselves to quell the southern injustices. |
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Hey fuck that, my 4th grade history teacher said those evil slave owning white people lost the war because all the nice non-slave owning black-people loving whites in the north graciously volunteered to sacrifice themselves to quell the southern injustices. Quoted:
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Maryland was not a Confederate state genius. And Arizona, New Mexico and Oklahoma weren't even states yet. Correct, they were territories, but help yourself to a real reference book and find out about Confederate Arizona and New Mexico and the real battles that were actually fought there. Also, Lincoln had almost all of the Baltimore city govt jailed for the duration of the war because they wanted to secede. Hey fuck that, my 4th grade history teacher said those evil slave owning white people lost the war because all the nice non-slave owning black-people loving whites in the north graciously volunteered to sacrifice themselves to quell the southern injustices. 
Edit: Just noticed that your post count is 1865. 
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Maryland was south of the Mason-Dixon line, so it was included on many maps even though Maryland never technically seceded. It was another border state that was heavily invested in slavery and had sympathizers for both sides. John Wilkes Booth was from Maryland. As far as military goes, I think that Maryland actually had units fighting for both sides.
By the way, great post OP! 
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the winners write the history books don't they ? lincoln certainly wasn't the man your publik schools teach he was... Well aware. They gloss over his trampling of the constitution. No one seems to realize that the South seceded peacefully. A union officer, supposedly without authorization, stockpiled arms at Fort Sumter and and led the south to believe they were preparing for an attack. Lincoln could have settled this diplomatically but let it implode so he could show his true colors as the tyrant he was. |
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Well aware. They gloss over his trampling of the constitution. No one seems to realize that the South seceded peacefully. A union officer, supposedly without authorization, stockpiled arms at Fort Sumter and and led the south to believe they were preparing for an attack. Lincoln could have settled this diplomatically but let it implode so he could show his true colors as the tyrant he was. Quoted:
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the winners write the history books don't they ? lincoln certainly wasn't the man your publik schools teach he was... Well aware. They gloss over his trampling of the constitution. No one seems to realize that the South seceded peacefully. A union officer, supposedly without authorization, stockpiled arms at Fort Sumter and and led the south to believe they were preparing for an attack. Lincoln could have settled this diplomatically but let it implode so he could show his true colors as the tyrant he was. 
Let me get this straight....the South didn't attack first. Because....when they attacked first .... the US Army was putting weapons in a US Army fort? I just want to get this straight. |
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Let me get this straight....the South didn't attack first. Because....when they attacked first .... the US Army was putting weapons in a US Army fort? I just want to get this straight. Quoted:
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the winners write the history books don't they ? lincoln certainly wasn't the man your publik schools teach he was... Well aware. They gloss over his trampling of the constitution. No one seems to realize that the South seceded peacefully. A union officer, supposedly without authorization, stockpiled arms at Fort Sumter and and led the south to believe they were preparing for an attack. Lincoln could have settled this diplomatically but let it implode so he could show his true colors as the tyrant he was.
Let me get this straight....the South didn't attack first. Because....when they attacked first .... the US Army was putting weapons in a US Army fort? I just want to get this straight. No, they attacked first. And it was foolhardy to do so. I suspect if someone like Lee had been in charge at the area, he would have himself or sent a messenger to arbitrate before deciding to attack. Unfortunately that is not what happened. The attacked though, knowing full well that if they didn't they would soon be attacked. They forgot that the only way a revolution retains any righteousness is to be on the receiving end of a massacre or attack. Does not change the fact that they were simply following the founders lead when they chose to secede and then fought to preserve their ideals. EDIT: Hung over so my typing is sucking hard ...
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I wonder which side raised more Kentucky regiments for the war effort. One of my ancestors served in the 45th Kentucky Volunteer Mounted Infantry (Union). http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Kentucky_Civil_War_units http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Kentucky_Civil_War_Confederate_units |
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I wonder which side raised more Kentucky regiments for the war effort. One of my ancestors served in the 45th Kentucky Volunteer Mounted Infantry (Union). http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Kentucky_Civil_War_units http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Kentucky_Civil_War_Confederate_units Oh, I knew the answer. The Union raised far more units in KY... |
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Well aware. They gloss over his trampling of the constitution. No one seems to realize that the South seceded peacefully. A union officer, supposedly without authorization, stockpiled arms at Fort Sumter and and led the south to believe they were preparing for an attack. Lincoln could have settled this diplomatically but let it implode so he could show his true colors as the tyrant he was. Quoted:
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the winners write the history books don't they ? lincoln certainly wasn't the man your publik schools teach he was... Well aware. They gloss over his trampling of the constitution. No one seems to realize that the South seceded peacefully. A union officer, supposedly without authorization, stockpiled arms at Fort Sumter and and led the south to believe they were preparing for an attack. Lincoln could have settled this diplomatically but let it implode so he could show his true colors as the tyrant he was. You know even less about CW history than your foolish initial post implied. Congratulations for being the SME in stupidity. |
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You know even less about CW history than your foolish initial post implied. Congratulations for being the SME in stupidity. Quoted:
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the winners write the history books don't they ? lincoln certainly wasn't the man your publik schools teach he was... Well aware. They gloss over his trampling of the constitution. No one seems to realize that the South seceded peacefully. A union officer, supposedly without authorization, stockpiled arms at Fort Sumter and and led the south to believe they were preparing for an attack. Lincoln could have settled this diplomatically but let it implode so he could show his true colors as the tyrant he was. You know even less about CW history than your foolish initial post implied. Congratulations for being the SME in stupidity. I'm working off of memory here, but if memory serves a union major in charge of sumter was falsely reporting up dire rations numbers, while simultaneously positioning guns in the direction of the coast. He did this to stock pile ammo, food, etc in order to either start a fight, or give off the impression he wanted to start a fight. I don't recall where I read this, but I didn't just dream it up. If it's wrong, by all means point me in the right direction. |
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I'm working off of memory here, but if memory serves a union major in charge of sumter was falsely reporting up dire rations numbers, while simultaneously positioning guns in the direction of the coast. He did this to stock pile ammo, food, etc in order to either start a fight, or give off the impression he wanted to start a fight. I don't recall where I read this, but I didn't just dream it up. If it's wrong, by all means point me in the right direction. Quoted:
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the winners write the history books don't they ? lincoln certainly wasn't the man your publik schools teach he was... Well aware. They gloss over his trampling of the constitution. No one seems to realize that the South seceded peacefully. A union officer, supposedly without authorization, stockpiled arms at Fort Sumter and and led the south to believe they were preparing for an attack. Lincoln could have settled this diplomatically but let it implode so he could show his true colors as the tyrant he was. You know even less about CW history than your foolish initial post implied. Congratulations for being the SME in stupidity. I'm working off of memory here, but if memory serves a union major in charge of sumter was falsely reporting up dire rations numbers, while simultaneously positioning guns in the direction of the coast. He did this to stock pile ammo, food, etc in order to either start a fight, or give off the impression he wanted to start a fight. I don't recall where I read this, but I didn't just dream it up. If it's wrong, by all means point me in the right direction. President Lincoln directly ordered the supply of the (unfinished) fort after secessionist SC politicians made numerous published statements that they intended to take it by force. The OIC wanted to be relieved or reinforced, the SC naval blockade prevented that option. Don't simply ignore the fact that Fort Sumter wasn't SC territory either but was sited on land purchased outright by the Federal government from the state of SC during the antebellum period, which usually happens in these threads. |
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President Lincoln directly ordered the supply of the (unfinished) fort after secessionist SC politicians made numerous published statements that they intended to take it by force. Basically what I said with the caveat that the OIC didn't act on his own assumptions but on orders. The OIC wanted to be relieved or reinforced, the SC naval blockade prevented that option. Don't simply ignore the fact that Fort Sumter wasn't SC territory either but was sited on land purchased outright by the Federal government from the state of SC during the antebellum period, which usually happens in these threads. Quoted:
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the winners write the history books don't they ? lincoln certainly wasn't the man your publik schools teach he was... Well aware. They gloss over his trampling of the constitution. No one seems to realize that the South seceded peacefully. A union officer, supposedly without authorization, stockpiled arms at Fort Sumter and and led the south to believe they were preparing for an attack. Lincoln could have settled this diplomatically but let it implode so he could show his true colors as the tyrant he was. You know even less about CW history than your foolish initial post implied. Congratulations for being the SME in stupidity. I'm working off of memory here, but if memory serves a union major in charge of sumter was falsely reporting up dire rations numbers, while simultaneously positioning guns in the direction of the coast. He did this to stock pile ammo, food, etc in order to either start a fight, or give off the impression he wanted to start a fight. I don't recall where I read this, but I didn't just dream it up. If it's wrong, by all means point me in the right direction. President Lincoln directly ordered the supply of the (unfinished) fort after secessionist SC politicians made numerous published statements that they intended to take it by force. Basically what I said with the caveat that the OIC didn't act on his own assumptions but on orders. The OIC wanted to be relieved or reinforced, the SC naval blockade prevented that option. Don't simply ignore the fact that Fort Sumter wasn't SC territory either but was sited on land purchased outright by the Federal government from the state of SC during the antebellum period, which usually happens in these threads. You have a cite for the last part, I've never heard or read that before. |
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You have a cite for the last part, I've never heard or read that before. Quoted:
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I'm working off of memory here, but if memory serves a union major in charge of sumter was falsely reporting up dire rations numbers, while simultaneously positioning guns in the direction of the coast. He did this to stock pile ammo, food, etc in order to either start a fight, or give off the impression he wanted to start a fight. I don't recall where I read this, but I didn't just dream it up. If it's wrong, by all means point me in the right direction. President Lincoln directly ordered the supply of the (unfinished) fort after secessionist SC politicians made numerous published statements that they intended to take it by force. Basically what I said with the caveat that the OIC didn't act on his own assumptions but on orders. The OIC wanted to be relieved or reinforced, the SC naval blockade prevented that option. Don't simply ignore the fact that Fort Sumter wasn't SC territory either but was sited on land purchased outright by the Federal government from the state of SC during the antebellum period, which usually happens in these threads. You have a cite for the last part, I've never heard or read that before. Here toy go: Committee on Federal Relations
In the House of Representatives, December 31st, 1836 "The Committee on Federal relations, to which was referred the Governor's message, relating to the site of Fort Sumter, in the harbour of Charleston, and the report of the Committee on Federal Relations from the Senate on the same subject, beg leave to Report by Resolution: "Resolved, That this state do cede to the United States, all the right, title and claim of South Carolina to the site of Fort Sumter and the requisite quantity of adjacent territory, Provided, That all processes, civil and criminal issued under the authority of this State, or any officer thereof, shall and may be served and executed upon the same, and any person there being who may be implicated by law; and that the said land, site and structures enumerated, shall be forever exempt from liability to pay any tax to this state. "Also resolved: That the State shall extinguish the claim, if any valid claim there be, of any individuals under the authority of this State, to the land hereby ceded. "Also resolved, That the Attorney-General be instructed to investigate the claims of Wm. Laval and others to the site of Fort Sumter, and adjacent land contiguous thereto; and if he shall be of the opinion that these parties have a legal title to the said land, that Generals Hamilton and Hayne and James L. Pringle, Thomas Bennett and Ker. Boyce, Esquires, be appointed Commissioners on behalf of the State, to appraise the value thereof. If the Attorney-General should be of the opinion that the said title is not legal and valid, that he proceed by seire facius of other proper legal proceedings to have the same avoided; and that the Attorney-General and the said Commissioners report to the Legislature at its next session. "Resolved, That this House to agree. Ordered that it be sent to the Senate for concurrence. By order of the House: "T. W. Glover, C. H. R." "In Senate, December 21st, 1836 I highlighted the part that ruins the fantasy that the Fort belonged, in any legal capacity, to the state of SC in the appropriate Union blue. 
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You know that jock from high school that was popular because he was really good at football? Then comes the big game and he fumbles the ball and loses the championship. The guy gets out of high school, ends up working a low paying dead end job. However he always brings up how much better his life would have been if he had just made the touchdown. You know, the guy everyone feels sorry for cause he has nothing now that his football career is over? The South is THAT guy. |
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You know that jock from high school that was popular because he was really good at football? Then comes the big game and he fumbles the ball and loses the championship. The guy gets out of high school, ends up working a low paying dead end job. However he always brings up how much better his life would have been if he had just made the touchdown. You know, the guy everyone feels sorry for cause he has nothing now that his football career is over? The South is THAT guy. 
Just think if we would have won (slavery aside).
We'd have been the "better America". |