Ford Raptor R purchase attempt (Page 1 of 2)
Posted: 3/10/2026 8:31:35 AM EDT
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Went to my local Ford dealer who I've been taking my Roush F-150SC to for years. Told one of the sales guys I was interested in getting a Raptor R but since they didn't have one on the lot could I order one. They said sure, just print out a build sheet from Ford and we'll order it for you no problem. Did that and they said, we'll get this ordered for you. Just so you know, we're going to add $30K to the price. I said, "Why"? His response was a deadpan "why not?". On the hunt but I'm not paying a $30K premium. |
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If you shop around, about the best you can do is find 15K over. Or buy a used one. eta: I mean shop around the country; it won't be easy; I know a Ford salesman, who sold me a raptor, that did the same to find his own at 15K over (couldn't even get it at his own dealership for less) |
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Originally Posted By TN-MadDog: You just have to shop around. Not all dealerships are doing that. I recently bought a new F150 and ended up driving 2 hours to find what I wanted at dealership that wasn’t adding on a bunch of crap. Bingo. I drove and hour and twenty minutes to get 15% off MSRP and zero add-on BS. I'm bummed I won't get my services handled there because of the length of the drive, but the dealership absolutely made it worth my time to purchase from them. |
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Originally Posted By Metonymy: Bingo. I drove and hour and twenty minutes to get 15% off MSRP and zero add-on BS. I'm bummed I won't get my services handled there because of the length of the drive, but the dealership absolutely made it worth my time to purchase from them. There is absolutely 0 chance you got a Raptor R 15% off. You are comparing apples to hammers. You might as well say you bought one in 2012 and give a price comparison. OP while 30k over is a bit much you aren't geting one anywhere near sticker. Used ones with miles on them are bringing sticker or more depending on how they are equipped. Ones with teens for miles are bringing 10k over on bring a trailer plus shipping it home. For example, we had one that we ordered for a customer that somehow hit the internet and we got multiple offers of 10k over and that was just in the 2-3 days it showed on the internet before we got it taken down. I'd offer them 10-15 over and see what they say. |
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Not the only brand dealer to play games. Manufacturers really REALLY need to drop the hammer on them and pull the dealership or refuse any deliveries of a particular model. Flagship models are ''word of mouth'' and while most can't afford one, people will contemplate a brand a bit more when it has a hot model of a vehicle if they can get one similar but without all the really expensive toys on it. "Race on Sunday, Sell on Monday'' was a real thing at one time. Ordering a vehicle straight from the manufacturer should really be MSRP with the dealer getting their normal cut of it, because they aren't really fronting shit for the vehicle and the transaction sans delivery should be between the manufacturer and the buyer with the dealer only completing the transaction paperwork. You USED to be able to order certain models from Toyota at the dealer but it went away in 2015 or so I think. I bought my 2014 FJC that way and ordered it the way I wanted it. And the dealer was a fvckhead as was the salesman. I tracked the vehicle as soon as Toyota gave me the VIN # and knew when it hit the lot. Fvckers [Spartan] had it listed for sale [I had already paid a substantial amount] but never called me and they were asking WAY more then what was agreed on. [it was one of the last ones shipped into the country] Lets just say I was not nice, I got my FJC and left a scathing ''satisfaction missive''with Toyota to the point the dealer called and asked what they could do to have me to redo it as it made them look pretty shady. Told them nothing as it was the truth. They still tried to F me over on the factory hitch and tried to put some aftermarket POS on it claiming the OEM one was ''missing'' [someone there probably stole it or hid it as they were designed with better clearance then aftermarket] Funny, after I told them I'd be calling Toyota again, they ''found'' it. On the plus side, I had it for several years and sold it for more then I bought it for and actually made money on it. I really pissed the dealer off when I refused everything and paid cash so they got nothing more then the MSRP kick back and F them for that. They all do it [dealers] when they have a ''hot'' ride but manufacturers are too stupid to realize it hurts them in the long run when dealers rape the buyers. Piss potential customers off and they go elsewhere and often never come back. |
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Originally Posted By fxntime: Not the only brand dealer to play games. Manufacturers really REALLY need to drop the hammer on them and pull the dealership or refuse any deliveries of a particular model. Flagship models are ''word of mouth'' and while most can't afford one, people will contemplate a brand a bit more when it has a hot model of a vehicle if they can get one similar but without all the really expensive toys on it. "Race on Sunday, Sell on Monday'' was a real thing at one time. Ordering a vehicle straight from the manufacturer should really be MSRP with the dealer getting their normal cut of it, because they aren't really fronting shit for the vehicle and the transaction sans delivery should be between the manufacturer and the buyer with the dealer only completing the transaction paperwork. . This is where the general public knows nothing about car dealerships. You don't "front nothing" when is comes to SVT. We have to "front" about $5,000 every year just to be part of the program. That doesn't include having a tech certified or the "special tools" ford makes you buy that you will probably never use. So when you get one GT500 with about $4,000 in markup and you've fronted $5,000 to get it you have to get over sticker to make it make sense financially. The dealers that get multiple make out a little better but small dealers don't. And reality for most consumers is they don't really get the market outside their town. Limited availability stuff brings real money. If you want something like an R or a GT500 or almost any 911 the sticker is just a starting point. Don't forget the S in MSRP is "suggested". |
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Originally Posted By Crash1433: This is where the general public knows nothing about car dealerships. You don't "front nothing" when is comes to SVT. We have to "front" about $5,000 every year just to be part of the program. That doesn't include having a tech certified or the "special tools" ford makes you buy that you will probably never use. So when you get one GT500 with about $4,000 in markup and you've fronted $5,000 to get it you have to get over sticker to make it make sense financially. The dealers that get multiple make out a little better but small dealers don't. And reality for most consumers is they don't really get the market outside their town. Limited availability stuff brings real money. If you want something like an R or a GT500 or almost any 911 the sticker is just a starting point. Don't forget the S in MSRP is "suggested". Originally Posted By Crash1433: Originally Posted By fxntime: Not the only brand dealer to play games. Manufacturers really REALLY need to drop the hammer on them and pull the dealership or refuse any deliveries of a particular model. Flagship models are ''word of mouth'' and while most can't afford one, people will contemplate a brand a bit more when it has a hot model of a vehicle if they can get one similar but without all the really expensive toys on it. "Race on Sunday, Sell on Monday'' was a real thing at one time. Ordering a vehicle straight from the manufacturer should really be MSRP with the dealer getting their normal cut of it, because they aren't really fronting shit for the vehicle and the transaction sans delivery should be between the manufacturer and the buyer with the dealer only completing the transaction paperwork. . This is where the general public knows nothing about car dealerships. You don't "front nothing" when is comes to SVT. We have to "front" about $5,000 every year just to be part of the program. That doesn't include having a tech certified or the "special tools" ford makes you buy that you will probably never use. So when you get one GT500 with about $4,000 in markup and you've fronted $5,000 to get it you have to get over sticker to make it make sense financially. The dealers that get multiple make out a little better but small dealers don't. And reality for most consumers is they don't really get the market outside their town. Limited availability stuff brings real money. If you want something like an R or a GT500 or almost any 911 the sticker is just a starting point. Don't forget the S in MSRP is "suggested". How much is Ford losing this year? 
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Originally Posted By Crash1433: While most of their loss is prepaid EV stuff(factory building and things like that) they continue to pay a dividend on thier stock. So on paper there is a loss but they remain profitable. Originally Posted By Crash1433: Originally Posted By fxntime: How much is Ford losing this year? While most of their loss is prepaid EV stuff(factory building and things like that) they continue to pay a dividend on thier stock. So on paper there is a loss but they remain profitable. A few pennies a share last quarter and .60 cents for the year? A loss on the actual stock price? Ford is just big enough to carry on being financially retarded long after a smaller company would fail. [they aren't exactly alone so they aren't special in that way] |
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Originally Posted By Sanlanman: Crap like this and the defects/recalls is why there will never ever be another new Ford in our driveway. I am saying this as a former hard core Ford fan. Goodbye Ford. Was laughing with a co worker last week after my GM Transmission bit the shit at 65K miles and also needed a motormount. Their position was while Ford had 6 recalls in the same time period at least its fixed on their dime. GM basically told me to pound sand. $8k in 65K miles. Take a look at the issues with the 8 AND 10 speed transmissions as well as the 3.0 baby max and 6.2l gas engines. Total shite |
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Originally Posted By H1-HUMMER: Buy used, you'll find low mile trucks just gotta drive to see them. I bought my raptor 3hrs away from a dealer, the person who traded it in got ass raped. I'd sure wouldn't mine having an R but this guy isn't paying $120k+ for it. Cant over state this enough. Same thing happened with the corvettes. You WILL upside down - that dealer premium will not be reflected in a trade in. Any dealer premium you paid be prepared to stack on top of standard depreciation when you roll off that lot |
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Originally Posted By USMC2111: I thought Ford was taking a hard line with dealers that added MVAs? I read that if they found a dealer was adding markups, they would terminate their ability to order specialty/high demand vehicles. I do know that with Dodge it's sadly all too common. When new their specialty muscle stuff had stiff dealer mark ups for their exclusivity, and now even with those same yesteryear muscle monsters being used, some dealers are still adding healthy mark ups over sticker when selling em as lightly used examples. |
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Originally Posted By Crash1433: This is where the general public knows nothing about car dealerships. You don't "front nothing" when is comes to SVT. We have to "front" about $5,000 every year just to be part of the program. That doesn't include having a tech certified or the "special tools" ford makes you buy that you will probably never use. So when you get one GT500 with about $4,000 in markup and you've fronted $5,000 to get it you have to get over sticker to make it make sense financially. The dealers that get multiple make out a little better but small dealers don't. And reality for most consumers is they don't really get the market outside their town. Limited availability stuff brings real money. If you want something like an R or a GT500 or almost any 911 the sticker is just a starting point. Don't forget the S in MSRP is "suggested". 
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Originally Posted By Justintime2: Dealerships in general and their slimy salesman can’t be out of business and out of work soon enough… I agree. They do not add value. In my opinion, they harm the automotive business. In this day and age, we should be able to buy directly from the maker with no middle man. It should be some version of - order online; they deliver to your home. |
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OP , get ford x plan X plan (there are like 900 organizations you can join for 50 bucks to become eligible.). Then get your code in the mail 6 months later. Then you can build a ford online with the code you get and order your said vehicle online for dealer cost plus 5% plus 150%. No "dealer markup:" allowed You get the pincode, build online and take the print out sheet to dealership, then you wait, like 3-8 months(you can track your VIN through factory). You can also get the best incentives/bonuses offered during that time period. I did the above for my 2022 Bronco sport badlands( every option). I paid 34k OTD, MSRP was 40k, 1.9% financing, plus incentives( i want to say 1000 student and 500 EMT, because i was an EMT student at teh time), AND I got 500 in free ford bucks(free oil changes for 3 years) . The same semi truck that had my rig had another bronco sport (mid grade trim with small motor), they wanted 32k for it, plus tax so I paid 500 more dollars for my vehicle and got leather, 100 extra HP, way better 4x4, full size spare. |
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Originally Posted By fsjdw2: OP , get ford x plan X plan (there are like 900 organizations you can join for 50 bucks to become eligible.). Then get your code in the mail 6 months later. Then you can build a ford online with the code you get and order your said vehicle online for dealer cost plus 5% plus 150%. No "dealer markup:" allowed You get the pincode, build online and take the print out sheet to dealership, then you wait, like 3-8 months(you can track your VIN through factory). You can also get the best incentives/bonuses offered during that time period. I did the above for my 2022 Bronco sport badlands( every option). I paid 34k OTD, MSRP was 40k, 1.9% financing, plus incentives( i want to say 1000 student and 500 EMT, because i was an EMT student at teh time), AND I got 500 in free ford bucks(free oil changes for 3 years) . The same semi truck that had my rig had another bronco sport (mid grade trim with small motor), they wanted 32k for it, plus tax so I paid 500 more dollars for my vehicle and got leather, 100 extra HP, way better 4x4, full size spare. You did that with a Raptor R? |
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Originally Posted By Covertness: Went to my local Ford dealer who I've been taking my Roush F-150SC to for years. Told one of the sales guys I was interested in getting a Raptor R but since they didn't have one on the lot could I order one. They said sure, just print out a build sheet from Ford and we'll order it for you no problem. Did that and they said, we'll get this ordered for you. Just so you know, we're going to add $30K to the price. I said, "Why"? His response was a deadpan "why not?". On the hunt but I'm not paying a $30K premium. Just so we are clear on this - it's an $80k truck and they plan to add a $30k surcharge. Is that right or close to being right? I would have turned around and walked out the door. Nothing needs to be said. Just turn and walk out. |
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Originally Posted By Trollslayer: Just so we are clear on this - it's an $80k truck and they plan to add a $30k surcharge. Is that right or close to being right? I would have turned around and walked out the door. Nothing needs to be said. Just turn and walk out. MSRP is like $110-130k, plus the $30k markup. $140-160k ish out the door. Plus the trucoat. We’re still marking up G Wagons. Don’t want to pay it? Someone else will. |
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Originally Posted By Covertness: Went to my local Ford dealer who I've been taking my Roush F-150SC to for years. Told one of the sales guys I was interested in getting a Raptor R but since they didn't have one on the lot could I order one. They said sure, just print out a build sheet from Ford and we'll order it for you no problem. Did that and they said, we'll get this ordered for you. Just so you know, we're going to add $30K to the price. I said, "Why"? His response was a deadpan "why not?". On the hunt but I'm not paying a $30K premium. I finally got a Ford F250 last year, but I tried for over two years to buy various Fords prior to that the dealership Fuckery was off the chain. I was actually looking at Chevys and Rams and was at one of the more rural cities visiting a shop and walked over to the Ford dealership and found someone who wasn’t a complete ass and purchased my F250 from them. Yeah, Ford dealership Fuckery can meet master level. |
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Originally Posted By mleaky: <----2024 Raptor Owner You aren't getting a Raptor R for invoice. They typically are going for invoice + $20k-40K. Lately the Raptor 37PP has been selling below sticker, might want to check those out. https://i.imgur.com/GpyVKca.jpg I recall reading on the Hellcat boards that for some of the Dodge Demon 170s, there were dealer markups of $100K and more. And they were actually still selling them that way.  Now I don't know jack about the Raptor R and top dog rare Ford machines in general, but this would not surprise me at all if Rs are super powerful and very rare/limited in production.
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Someone is going to profit-take on this and it might as well be the dealer. You could insist on it being sold at MSRP, get on a national waitlist/lottery and wait for it to be available in 2 years at MSRP. Meanwhile the lottery winning, list-packing buyers will be reselling at that 30k premium and those speculating aholes won’t handle your warranty claim. I thought all this was well understood- you know, supply and demand. No one is entitled to order and receive something at a drastically below-market price. Besides, you can get 99 percent of Rangers and F150’s below MSRP. |
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Originally Posted By Meet_Poll: Someone is going to profit-take on this and it might as well be the dealer. You could insist on it being sold at MSRP, get on a national waitlist/lottery and wait for it to be available in 2 years at MSRP. Meanwhile the lottery winning, list-packing buyers will be reselling at that 30k premium and those speculating aholes won’t handle your warranty claim. I thought all this was well understood- you know, supply and demand. Besides, you can get 99 percent of Rangers and F150’s below MSRP. The response wasn't "we could put you on a wait list, or you can pay to the current market price to cut the line - 30K." The response was "why not." |
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Originally Posted By fsjdw2: OP , get ford x plan X plan (there are like 900 organizations you can join for 50 bucks to become eligible.). Then get your code in the mail 6 months later. Then you can build a ford online with the code you get and order your said vehicle online for dealer cost plus 5% plus 150%. No "dealer markup:" allowed You get the pincode, build online and take the print out sheet to dealership, then you wait, like 3-8 months(you can track your VIN through factory). You can also get the best incentives/bonuses offered during that time period. I did the above for my 2022 Bronco sport badlands( every option). I paid 34k OTD, MSRP was 40k, 1.9% financing, plus incentives( i want to say 1000 student and 500 EMT, because i was an EMT student at teh time), AND I got 500 in free ford bucks(free oil changes for 3 years) . The same semi truck that had my rig had another bronco sport (mid grade trim with small motor), they wanted 32k for it, plus tax so I paid 500 more dollars for my vehicle and got leather, 100 extra HP, way better 4x4, full size spare. No plan pricing on Raptor R. And even if there was dealers can refuse to sell it to you at plan pricing. |
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Originally Posted By H1-HUMMER: I wouldn't call the R a rare production vehicle, AI says tens of thousands raptors are made every year, 30% of that are R's. GT-40 are rare. Many Raptors are built yes...including Bronco Raptors and Ranger Raptors. So that number isn't accurate. Also, there is no way 30% of F-150 raptors are Rs. I might believe 10%. |
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Originally Posted By Bohr_Adam: The response wasn't "we could put you on a wait list, or you can pay to the current market price to cut the line - 30K." The response was "why not." I know, those are just hypothetical options if the manufacturers "got tough on the dealers" as everyone seems to want- apparently so that hot vehicles like the Raptor R must be sold at MSRP. Like I said, someone is going to profit take on this while it's in such demand. The OP didn't give a timeline so we're just guessing. |
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Oh, I'm not in a hurry. I have a supercharged Roush F-150. I don't need a Raptor R. I just want one. Even willing to pay cash if that gets me a deal. Also willing to finance it so the dealer can get a deal and then pay it off the next week to take that profit out of the dealers hands. They make the rules, I'll play the game. As they told me, why not. I might go over MSRP but not $30K. There are currently over 450 new Raptor Rs for sale nationwide. Not a rare vehicle like a GT. |
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Originally Posted By Covertness: Oh, I'm not in a hurry. I have a supercharged Roush F-150. I don't need a Raptor R. I just want one. Even willing to pay cash if that gets me a deal. Also willing to finance it so the dealer can get a deal and then pay it off the next week to take that profit out of the dealers hands. They make the rules, I'll play the game. As they told me, why not. I might go over MSRP but not $30K. There are currently over 450 new Raptor Rs for sale nationwide. Not a rare vehicle like a GT. Says it isn't rare after saying there are less than 500 in the whole country. That's basically one for every 8 dealers in the country. Current order time is almost a year depending on the dealer. We waited almost 2 years for one that was a retail order for a customer with 22 registered fords on the road. There are probably more 911s in the country than there are Rs. And your comment about financing it then paying it off knowingly causing a chargeback to the dealer that's suppsoed to be cutting you a deal tells me all I need to know. I'm glad you aren't a shopper at my dealership. |
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Originally Posted By Crash1433: Says it isn't rare after saying there are less than 500 in the whole country. That's basically one for every 8 dealers in the country. Current order time is almost a year depending on the dealer. We waited almost 2 years for one that was a retail order for a customer with 22 registered fords on the road. There are probably more 911s in the country than there are Rs. And your comment about financing it then paying it off knowingly causing a chargeback to the dealer that's suppsoed to be cutting you a deal tells me all I need to know. I'm glad you aren't a shopper at my dealership. Not cutting me a deal if they add some made up market adjustment to the price. Worse than buying a Rolex from an AD. Sure, I waited a couple of months for my Submariner but I didn't have to pay some "market adjustment" to Rolex's advertised MSRP. Over 450 available right now. How many have sold so far this year? Not a rare vehicle my friend. |
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Originally Posted By Sanlanman: Crap like this and the defects/recalls is why there will never ever be another new Ford in our driveway. I am saying this as a former hard core Ford fan. Goodbye Ford. Me too. We had 3 brand new Fords that could not stay out of the dealership for warranty work. The final straw was when my Ranger decided to brick itself not once, but twice, leaving me stranded. |
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Originally Posted By Covertness: Not cutting me a deal if they add some made up market adjustment to the price. Worse than buying a Rolex from an AD. Sure, I waited a couple of months for my Submariner but I didn't have to pay some "market adjustment" to Rolex's advertised MSRP. Over 450 available right now. How many have sold so far this year? Not a rare vehicle my friend. I guess everyone else including me can explain the market adjustment and the rarity to you but we can't make you understand it. Used ones with 10,000 miles on them are bringing the original sticker. And if you can't grasp the fact that less than 500 in the whole country means it's rare then I can't help you. There's probably 200,000 "regular" F-150s on the ground but 450 means there's tons of them? 
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where do you find the production # by year for a R? I have a raptor, I don't think anything special of it, it's my DD and it's an expendable vehicle. On the other hand I have a mint H1, cost more than a R in 2006 dollars, 20yrs later still worth more than a brand new R, as far as rare the total amount of H1's were 10,500 units made from 92-06, my year 494 were made, of that 166 were HMCO, of that 32 were competition yellow. Fun fact: 2006 I had an opportunity to buy 2006 GT-40 quicksilver from a local small town dealer for 165K, that was a fucking mistake looking back. |
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Originally Posted By TN-MadDog: You just have to shop around. Not all dealerships are doing that. I recently bought a new F150 and ended up driving 2 hours to find what I wanted at dealership that wasn’t adding on a bunch of crap. Comparing your F150 purchase experience has absolutely nothing to do with a Raptor R purchase attempt. Yes all dealers are selling Raptor Rs at MSRP++. If you find one within $10K of MSRP count yourself lucky, and act fast |
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Originally Posted By H1-HUMMER: I wouldn't call the R a rare production vehicle, AI says tens of thousands raptors are made every year, 30% of that are R's. GT-40 are rare. lol.... Sometimes you need to fact check AI. I've only ever seen one raptor R on the road, despite seeing hundreds, if not thousands, of regular raptors. I don't know what the numbers are, but I'd guess a percentage easily counted on one hand. |
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visor.vin is a good site to check nationwide availability. Also, Delivrd might be worth the cost. Guy takes $1k and does all the searching, negotiations, paperwork, and even shipping for you. https://www.delivrdto.me/ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y-UbTber45I |