Posted: 1/16/2007 6:36:30 AM EDT
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Brother in law has a new F350 4x4 diesel and with around 100 miles on it, the head gasket blew and the dealer fixed it. With another 400 miles on it after repairs, it threw a rod while pulling a fifth wheel. Supposedly factory reps reviewed the repairs and have told him the truck is good to go. I have been driving ford diesels for many years and my current 99 model just turned 200k miles and have had little troubles, other than water pumps. My questions is what possibly happened and is he in line for future problems with this engine? I told him to give it back and force them to give him a new ride, but technically their is little he can do, afterall they have made repairs and the dealer is being very accomodating. |
Correct url is TheDieselStop.com This isn't normal, I hope he hasn't chipped it. Have him document everything. Do a search on "buyback" at TDS. Good luck Merlin (18K troublefree miles on my '06 PSD) |
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The 6.0 has been a problem since it was introduced in 2003. I thought all the bugs were gone when I bought my '05 PSD. I was wrong. 2 turbos, 8 injectors, 2 EGR valves, 2-3 EBP sensors, and an oil leak with less than 18k miles and a year of driving and Ford bought it back. I bought a '07 Duramax and haven't looked back. Each make has it's plus and minuses. He needs to weigh them out. Check your states lemon laws and keep all your records, he will need it with the 6.0. Too bad since they are nice trucks except for the motor. |
My Dad has 30k troublefree miles on his, We only had one problem was when we were in stop and go traffic, afterwards when it cleared up to pull a hill, the turbo didn't kick in, and then it kicked in and worked fine afterwards |
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The 6.0 liter Powerstroke can be a good engine, the problem is though that Ford and International tried cramming ten pounds of shit in a five pound bag with them. The 6.0 liter has almost 100 more horsepower than a 7.3, with fewer head bolts (that are also of a torque-to-yield design, meaning that when finally tightened, they stretch a certain amount to set the clamping force on the block) and more boost. The most common cause/root problem of head gasket failures is when these torque to yield bolts stretch more under boost, allowing the cylinder head to actually lift off the block, compromising the seal. This is exaggerated by folks who insist on running tuners and programmers. There's lots of engines out that there are running trouble free. There's also lots of problem children out there. Ford and International dropped the ball on the 6.0 - IMO, if they detuned it slightly and/or installed standard head bolts or even better, head studs, it'd be a much more solid engine. |
fordcummins.com you can have the best of both worlds, ya know. |
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Update, he claims they said the repair on the head gasket caused the rod problem. Also, they claim the truck setting up led to an exhaust valve sticking which also influenced the rod malfunction. Since the first week in Dec. he has had the truck 3 days. The dealer and Ford will not take it back, claim it's fixed but still in the shop. Cab was removed for the repairs. The dealer has been accomodating during it all, but have their money and Ford is backing the product. He is hiring a lawyer. |
3 days? Damn! Not sure about your state but in California if you are without the vehicle for more than 30 days within the first 18000 miles due to repairs, the vehicle is automatically a lemon. I bet once he gets the attorney involved, Ford will be very accomadating. Good thing about lemon law attorneys is that you don't have to pay a thing. Sounds like they installed the gasket wrong and let water into the combustion chamber causing it to hydraulic and bust the rod. But wait, what caused the first gasket to fail in the first place? If it was the turbo vanes sticking and causing it to overboost and stretch the head bolts, simply replacing the gasket won't solve it. Did they check it for any overboost codes? Here's an easy link for Texas lemon laws. Lemon Laws Good luck. |
My question exactly, what caused the first problem? I have been driving Ford trucks for a number of years and my 99 SD is getting some miles. May have to wait for their new engine and see how it performs before I step out again. Bad deal to pay that much money and not be using the product. Ford quality is slipping and their service appears to be heading with it. I have several close friends who are Ford mechanics who feel the same way. Wish they would have left the 7.3 alone, good tuff engine. |
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I work on a farm, and we currently have 2 F350s with the 6.0 litre. One is at 45,000 miles and the other is at 12,000, with no problems on either. I still liked our old 7.3's better, though.h We had a 2003 5.4 gas that was just completely f*cked up, and after 3 new engines and a new tranny, Ford finally decided to concede that the vehicle was, in fact, a lemon. Then to top off all the BS, they would not refund the money already paid on the truck, they gave us what amounted to........ STORE CREDIT!!!!!!!! |
Nice like you want to buy another Ford after all that. 
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We had a 2003 5.4 gas that was just completely f*cked up, and after 3 new engines and a new tranny, Ford finally decided to concede that the vehicle was, in fact, a lemon. Then to top off all the BS, they would not refund the money already paid on the truck, they gave us what amounted to........
It's undeniable, that besides the Cummins motor, the rest of the Dodge truck SUCKS big time. The body panels are thinner, the interior is designed and built like shit The tranny sucks, as I went through 2. The Tow Haul mode on my Ford's Torqueshift is the BEST IMHO. If and when my 6.0 goes, I'll put a 12v Cummins in it. Then I'll have the PERFECT TRUCK. 
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as of 01-01-2007 they quit making the abortion, although my mortgage has been paid many years due to the PSD. I really am fond of it. easy to work on, easy to diagnose, not too hard to do anything on it, although time consuming to say the least. have seen the same reliability issues with the 4.5L V-6 in the LCF's I hope the 6.4 will be somewhat better. Gary |
It's not the truck. its the engine, it will be replaced |
I thought the 6.0 liter was gonna carry on in Econolines? That due to packaging concerns, they couldn't cram a 6.4 into an E-Van (thank God)? Or are they just not offering the Econolines with diesels anymore? |
What kind of mileage are you getting in that D-max? My dad's company is looking at getting him a new truck, the shop next door to him has a Duramax tow truck that gets 16 MPG. My dad's current 04 GMC 8.1 gets about 8 MPG. Thread hijack over. |
Mind you I only have 4500mi on her but the last time I went to Las Vegas from L.A., I got 17.5mpg. To and from work every day, I'm getting a solid 15 but I can't seem to keep my foot out of it. That, and my work is only 10mi so it's barely enough to warm her up. And it's sooo quiet compared to my PSD. I can actually go through a drivethrough without having to shut the engine off. And the 6spd Allison trans..... If he's going to get one, get an '07 Classic before the new LMM motor comes out. Pricing will be better and it won't have the stupid exhaust particulate filter on it.Okay, now the thread hijack is over! 
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I thought the 6.0 liter was gonna carry on in Econolines? That due to packaging concerns, they couldn't cram a 6.4 into an E-Van (thank God)? Or are they just not offering the Econolines with diesels anymore? nope, pretty sure the econoline will be dieselless until they devise a way to make our lives a living hell |
I've got a 06 CC long bed 4x4 LBZ duramax allison 6 speed usually get about 18, I've gotten as good as 21 just crusing at 65 to 70mph on a long trip (full tanks mind you, not just immediates) Better than my older 7.3 for sure. The Cummins get teh best mileage, the Ford's get the worst. All the 07 models (new emissions BS) will get worse mileage. |
I can't drive that slow! No doubt I can get better if I baby it. You are hand calculating right? Mods? |
I'm getting better than you on the hwy with my 6.0. The mileage on these things vary quite a bit. |
Every tank full (i'm anal.  )so, it's a pretty good average It gets better as it breaks in. I do agree that these can be all over the map. Where you are at, (altitude), how you drive, getting up to 80mph just kills it (too bad, the west is big )No mods, dead stock on the motor. |