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Posted: 4/18/2018 2:01:30 PM EDT
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Pilot did the job they were paid for. Does that make a hero  .
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Posted: 4/18/2018 2:03:28 PM EDT
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She shot down 5 enemies in air to air combat!? |
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Posted: 4/18/2018 2:11:19 PM EDT
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Hate to bust balls here guys but "Ace" pilot meant good or better than most and had nothing to do with the recorded number of kills till WW2. It can be applied to many subjects still today "He aced the test" is a good example.
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Posted: 4/18/2018 2:23:04 PM EDT
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Pilot did the job they were paid for. Does that make a hero The same for Sully, he was the head "Cactus"(US Air callsign) airframe instructor with thousands of flight hours(and a former chair force Phantom driver), I fully expect him to be able to handle a dual engine failure at full power with little altitude (and heavy) on an airframe he teaches. I respect his ability to do it over NYC(nowhere to land) but the same can be said for any major city. Most non-pilots have no idea how much training pilots have and have to have to stay current. I'm single engine/VFR and fly a few times a month(Beech K35). |
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Posted: 4/18/2018 2:32:02 PM EDT
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Never ascribe to malice what can be adequately explained by stupidity. Arguably the best pilot the US Air Force ever had never had an air to air kill (Colonel Boyd) Her not being an Ace no way reflects her skill as a pilot. It is not an accurate description though. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: No sir, you are incorrect. The press knows exactly what they are doing and saying. They, with the rest of the left, continually win the language battle. They have been intentionally devaluing the terms hero, honor, bravery, etc. for years. Misusing ace is part of that. Arguably the best pilot the US Air Force ever had never had an air to air kill (Colonel Boyd) Her not being an Ace no way reflects her skill as a pilot. It is not an accurate description though. It really does not matter whether the writer that wrote the article misspoke or willfully used the wrong language. Same for the editor. What matters is that the language of our civil discourse is changed deliberately so we lose the battle of ideas, the current APA Style Guide and current journalistic education and modern editorial practices push this change. For example, homosexual is now gay. Pervert is now alternate. Pedophilia is boy love. Pro-abortion (pro-infanticide) is pro-choice. Frances Fitzgerald wrote an excellent explanation of this regarding the VC and VM and "changing of the names" in her book "Fire in the Lake" about the Vietnam War. If you are interested in learning about how to lose a war against and entrenched insurgent and learning how American pride and ignorance dooms the American fighting man at times, I heartily recommend that book. Please note, I am NOT taking a dig at our brave men that fought in VN, I am only pointing out that the American government and specific leaders were at times inept. Failure to understand the importance of the war of words was essential in our loss. |
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Posted: 4/18/2018 2:33:15 PM EDT
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Ace? She has 5 air to air kills?  |
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Posted: 4/18/2018 2:33:32 PM EDT
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Aviate navigate communicate.
Some of the other ATC videos show early on her priorities of descending from like FL34 to 30 before making her first call if I remember right. I do wonder what the flight characteristics were with single engine, increased drag on one side from the loss of the cowling, and that much fuel (30 mins post take off, I think it was 21,000lbs of fuel) |
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Posted: 4/18/2018 2:36:38 PM EDT
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She was an F-18 pilot with VAQ-34 out of NAS Lemoore, Ca.
They were an Electronic Warfare squadron. 
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Posted: 4/18/2018 2:39:23 PM EDT
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The 9/11 firefighters had the option to quit and walk away. This pilot? Not so much. The minute that engine blew, her life was on the line as much as the passengers. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: Agreed. She successfully dealt with a catastrophic engine failure and cabin depressurization and got everyone home as safely as possible. Unless she did open heart surgery on the heart attack patient during the descent, there wasn't much more she could have done. Sometimes just doing your job makes you a hero. What about the 9/11 firefighters? Would anyone say they were just doing the jobs they were paid for? The same goes for a pilot (.mil or civ), every time you strap in you could be killed, it's an inherent risk. |
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Posted: 4/18/2018 2:40:53 PM EDT
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Uh, negative boss. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Quoted: Agreed. She successfully dealt with a catastrophic engine failure and cabin depressurization and got everyone home as safely as possible. Unless she did open heart surgery on the heart attack patient during the descent, there wasn't much more she could have done. Sometimes just doing your job makes you a hero. What about the 9/11 firefighters? Would anyone say they were just doing the jobs they were paid for? |
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Posted: 4/18/2018 2:43:07 PM EDT
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Hate to bust balls here guys but "Ace" pilot meant good or better than most and had nothing to do with the recorded number of kills till WW2. It can be applied to many subjects still today "He aced the test" is a good example. 
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Posted: 4/18/2018 3:10:57 PM EDT
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There was a catastrophic loss of an engine at altitude. The woman landed the plane safely. We're going to swing purses now over words. Makes perfect GD sense. |
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Posted: 4/18/2018 3:11:28 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: She has 1 destroyed on the ground.... 
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Posted: 4/18/2018 3:11:38 PM EDT
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She has 1 destroyed on the ground.... Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Ace? She has 5 air to air kills? |
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Posted: 4/18/2018 3:17:48 PM EDT
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Uh, no. Airliners are not single pilot airplanes. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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What’s makes this event even more amazing, but I guess it’s the norm for airliners these days, is that apparently she was the only pilot in the crew. Imagine an inflight emergency like this and you have to do everything all by yourself; good thing she was formerly an F-18 pilot so she was used to being the only pilot onboard. I thought it was pretty standard throughout the industry to have (at least) two pilots in the cockpit but I guess it would save some $ to have only one pilot/aircraft. Airliners are not single pilot airplanes. 
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Posted: 4/18/2018 3:28:47 PM EDT
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This. I don't know where @KillerB6 got his information, but there are clearly two crew members' voices on the ATC recording of the flight (one of them male). Quote HistoryQuoted:
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What's makes this event even more amazing, but I guess it's the norm for airliners these days, is that apparently she was the only pilot in the crew. ... I thought it was pretty standard throughout the industry to have (at least) two pilots in the cockpit but I guess it would save some $ to have only one pilot/aircraft. Airliners are not single pilot airplanes. I don't know where @KillerB6 got his information, but there are clearly two crew members' voices on the ATC recording of the flight (one of them male). 
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Posted: 4/18/2018 3:40:59 PM EDT
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I guess it has been left out that the pilot running the radios is very seldom the one in control of the aircraft?
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Posted: 4/18/2018 3:58:19 PM EDT
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I guess it has been left out that the pilot running the radios is very seldom the one in control of the aircraft? There are plenty of scenarios where the PNF is running checklists and completing tasks while the PF handles the airplane and the radios. The last time I needed priority handling that’s exactly how it worked out. |
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Posted: 4/18/2018 4:09:24 PM EDT
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Hate to bust balls here guys but "Ace" pilot meant good or better than most and had nothing to do with the recorded number of kills till WW2. It can be applied to many subjects still today "He aced the test" is a good example. |
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Posted: 4/18/2018 4:11:41 PM EDT
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Sounds like she did a fine job as the captain, but it sounded like the FO was flying.
So I doubt she landed it. Landing is not the Captain's job during most emergencies, at least at my company. The Captain coordinates and runs the procedures. |
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Posted: 4/18/2018 4:14:32 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: This. Any Skipper of FO who asses those seats is able to handle a engine failure with cabin decompress. I'm sorry that people were killed/injured, but this scenario is trained for and rehearsed in the simulator before either ever step foot on an actual flight deck. The fawning over "female bug driver" is fucking stupid. The same for Sully, he was the head "Cactus"(US Air callsign) airframe instructor with thousands of flight hours(and a former chair force Phantom driver), I fully expect him to be able to handle a dual engine failure at full power with little altitude (and heavy) on an airframe he teaches. I respect his ability to do it over NYC(nowhere to land) but the same can be said for any major city. Most non-pilots have no idea how much training pilots have and have to have to stay current. I'm single engine/VFR and fly a few times a month(Beech K35). |
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Posted: 4/18/2018 4:15:11 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Uh, negative boss. As a professional Firefighter/EMT of 15 years, I know that every time I get on the Engine or Ambulance I could get injured or killed, it part of the job and a well known risk (about 100 Firefighters are killed every year). I would have gone in the towers myself because there were civilians and other FFs up there, some of us take "leave no man behind" seriously. As an aside, a great many FDNY thought they had a chance to attack and contain the fire(I don't have a ton of high rise experience, but they do so I'll take their word for it). The same goes for a pilot (.mil or civ), every time you strap in you could be killed, it's an inherent risk. The point is that they *DO* get on the engine - by CHOICE. That makes them heroes. They risk their life on behalf of others, when they are not compelled to do so. ON the other hand, if this pilot wished to save herself, she had no choice but to also save the passengers. She does not have the opportunity to avoid the danger but choose otherwise - she has no choice. Thus, Like Sully, she is not a hero, strictly speaking. Words mean things. |
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Posted: 4/18/2018 4:24:25 PM EDT
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I think she is a hero. She could have froze up and lost control of the plane. She kept her.cool and landed the plane . Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Pilot did the job they were paid for. Does that make a hero . No. She did the fuckin job we're paid and trained to perform. Nothing more, nothing less. The word hero gets tossed around way too frequently. That being said, I could forgive the passengers for feeling like everyone on the crew were heroes. But that recognition does not extend to the Capt alone. There's two up front for a reason and we still don't know the other's name. |
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Posted: 4/18/2018 4:41:19 PM EDT
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I think she is a hero. She could have froze up and lost control of the plane. She kept her.cool and landed the plane . Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Pilot did the job they were paid for. Does that make a hero . FFS its not like a wing fell off the plane. If a commercial pilot can't handle a midflight engine failure in a two engined aircraft they shouldn't be allowed in the cockpit. She did her job and should get a pat on the back but does not deserve a ticker tape parade for managing to not crash a flying and functional aircraft. |
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Posted: 4/18/2018 5:09:09 PM EDT
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I was thinking the same thing. She did a great job but not a "Sully" great job. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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She and the copilot and the rest of the crew were great. What happened is not even close to the Sully event where the pilot and copilot deadsticked an airliner into a river. I don’t see how she could have had a better outcome for her circumstances. |
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Posted: 4/18/2018 6:57:09 PM EDT
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Here she is back in the day.
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Posted: 4/19/2018 7:24:55 AM EDT
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I'd put it like this... What if, after the engine failure, she panicked, lost control of the aircraft, crashed, and killed everyone on board. Is that forgivable because she was in an extraordinary situation? No. She did the fuckin job we're paid and trained to perform. Nothing more, nothing less. The word hero gets tossed around way too frequently. That being said, I could forgive the passengers for feeling like everyone on the crew were heroes. But that recognition does not extend to the Capt alone. There's two up front for a reason and we still don't know the other's name. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Pilot did the job they were paid for. Does that make a hero . No. She did the fuckin job we're paid and trained to perform. Nothing more, nothing less. The word hero gets tossed around way too frequently. That being said, I could forgive the passengers for feeling like everyone on the crew were heroes. But that recognition does not extend to the Capt alone. There's two up front for a reason and we still don't know the other's name. They did their jobs No hero status. |
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Posted: 4/19/2018 8:08:37 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Yeah, that's been established. Thank you for bringing your intellect and your internet sleuth to the discussion. We're all so very enlightened now. Thank you for your service. |
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Posted: 4/19/2018 8:11:42 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I agree with this. They did their jobs No hero status. She had no choice. A hero makes a conscious decision to expose themselves to a danger that they could otherwise avoid for the benefit of others. |
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Posted: 4/19/2018 8:20:04 AM EDT
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She kept calm, landed the plane and was genuinely concerned about the passengers. I bet if you ask the passengers, she was an ace yesterday. Might as well call her a Jedi. |
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Posted: 4/19/2018 8:20:08 AM EDT
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What’s makes this event even more amazing, but I guess it’s the norm for airliners these days, is that apparently she was the only pilot in the crew. Imagine an inflight emergency like this and you have to do everything all by yourself; good thing she was formerly an F-18 pilot so she was used to being the only pilot onboard. I thought it was pretty standard throughout the industry to have (at least) two pilots in the cockpit but I guess it would save some $ to have only one pilot/aircraft. Airliners are not single pilot airplanes. 
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Posted: 4/19/2018 8:24:04 AM EDT
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Real Ace
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Posted: 4/19/2018 8:26:30 AM EDT
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How do you fly a plane with one engine? I'm guessing you'd have to lower the throttle to as low as possible for the least amount of torque, and then use the ailerons and rudder and go into a slight slip to stay on course?
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Posted: 4/19/2018 8:34:12 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryGood looking woman. Also a Christian.
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Posted: 4/19/2018 8:40:37 AM EDT
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She's 56, had been with the airline since age 31. Prior to joining the airline she was a flight instructor with the military. Assuming she joined at 21, that's not a lot of actual years of flight time for typical military pilots, is it? Especially assuming that once you move into an instructor gig, your own time flying gets curtailed.
Good job on the save, though. |
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Posted: 4/19/2018 8:48:23 AM EDT
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Pilot did the job they were paid for. Does that make a hero |
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Posted: 4/19/2018 9:10:29 AM EDT
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Heros have a choice. She had no choice. A hero makes a conscious decision to expose themselves to a danger that they could otherwise avoid for the benefit of others. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: I agree with this. They did their jobs No hero status. She had no choice. A hero makes a conscious decision to expose themselves to a danger that they could otherwise avoid for the benefit of others. |
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Posted: 4/19/2018 9:12:01 AM EDT
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It makes her damn good at her job at a minimum. If she wasn't there would have been a whole lotta dead souls today. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Pilot did the job they were paid for. Does that make a hero I have flown 2 airliners after losing an engine, and recovered both single engine. One I flew as the FO and the other I was the Captain and the FO flew it. It is routine and we train for it constantly. when my engine blew up, the hole and all the spare parts went down instead of sideways, so nobody got hurt. The only reason why this made the news is because a woman got sucked out a small window and was killed. Most never make the news, because it is routine. If she wasn't there, it would not have taken off to begin with. |
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Posted: 4/19/2018 9:25:04 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: She has 1 destroyed on the ground.... |
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Posted: 4/19/2018 9:37:39 AM EDT
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The retarded press doesn't have a clue. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Former ace Navy pilot ID'd as hero who landed damaged Southwest flight: report Hmmmm. Not taking away from what she did to save that flight, but "ace" has a very specific meaning among and about pilots and I don't it is being used accurately here. |
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Posted: 4/19/2018 10:12:59 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: It makes her proficient, just like every other airline pilot out there. I have flown 2 airliners after losing an engine, and recovered both single engine. One I flew as the FO and the other I was the Captain and the FO flew it. It is routine and we train for it constantly. when my engine blew up, the hole and all the spare parts went down instead of sideways, so nobody got hurt. The only reason why this made the news is because a woman got sucked out a small window and was killed. Most never make the news, because it is routine. If she wasn't there, it would not have taken off to begin with. Touché. It's all her damn fault! As a pilot in that situation what problems and concerns does the hole in the plane cause?
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Posted: 4/19/2018 10:51:20 AM EDT
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She was an F-18 pilot with VAQ-34 out of NAS Lemoore, Ca. They were an Electronic Warfare squadron. http://www.vaq34.com/vaq34/fa-18.jpg |
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Posted: 4/19/2018 10:57:26 AM EDT
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She kept calm, landed the plane and was genuinely concerned about the passengers. I bet if you ask the passengers, she was an ace yesterday. |
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Posted: 4/19/2018 10:58:45 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: True. No one wakes up in the morning wanting this attention. They wake up preparing for the possibility of having to be called upon to act, however. Twitter memes and the media circle jerks are calling her a female "Sully". 
Who wants that kind of attention? |
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