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7/2/2005 4:51:07 PM EDT
Can anyone tell me about this place? I have a certificate for some training and I'd like to know what to expect. Will probably take Carbine or Pistol for 2 or 4 days.
7/2/2005 8:30:16 PM EDT
[#1]
http://home.comcast.net/~flshovelhead/bumpasaurus.jpg
7/2/2005 9:09:17 PM EDT
[#2]
I have been to Front Sight, Gunsite, and FTA, and here is my impression of Front Sight:

Good basic training, marksmanship, gun handling, and the push for speed.  Their tactics stuff are very basic, and take it with a grain of salt, but it is very little tactics in their basic 4 day class.  Watch out for their advertisement, it is in all their lectures, and you have to attend the lecture if you are a first time student.  To be fair, no religious stuff is taught.

I recently sent my wife to Front Sight 4 day pistol for her basic safety, marksmanship, and gun handling training.

They do not teach carbine, their rifle class is a 4 day rifle.  Basically shooting in multiple body position, at speed.  If you want to learn carbine, go to Gunsite.

Ken
7/2/2005 10:18:51 PM EDT
[#3]

Quoted:
I have been to Front Sight, Gunsite, and FTA, and here is my impression of Front Sight:

Good basic training, marksmanship, gun handling, and the push for speed.  Their tactics stuff are very basic, and take it with a grain of salt, but it is very little tactics in their basic 4 day class.  Watch out for their advertisement, it is in all their lectures, and you have to attend the lecture if you are a first time student.  To be fair, no religious stuff is taught.

I recently sent my wife to Front Sight 4 day pistol for her basic safety, marksmanship, and gun handling training.

They do not teach carbine, their rifle class is a 4 day rifle.  Basically shooting in multiple body position, at speed.  If you want to learn carbine, go to Gunsite.

Ken



Thanks - I figured a 4 day intro class wouldnt be too in depth tactically - what I was concerned about was the religious stuff. I heard a rumor that they pushed Christian Science as much as their firearm training....
7/2/2005 10:26:30 PM EDT
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I heard a rumor that they pushed Christian Science as much as their firearm training....


It's actually Scientology --the science fiction/alien cult--  and not Christian Science with which the founder is involved.
7/2/2005 10:32:07 PM EDT
[#5]
Whoa... really....

but this is just the founders thing... its not something that gets pushed in class? Cause I dont want to hear anything about UFOs or things like that if I decide to go.
7/2/2005 10:35:58 PM EDT
[#6]
I haven't been, so I can't say for sure. I have heard that it was an issue in the past, but has been abolished more recently as it was hurting sales. Caveat emptor.
7/2/2005 10:36:03 PM EDT
[#7]
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientology

wow, I started reading about Scientology... sounded pretty good to begin with... world without war or insanity - affinity, reality communication...


then I came to this...

"Most famously, all of those who reach OT level III will learn about Xenu, the galactic tyrant who stacked hundreds of billions of his frozen victims around Earth's volcanoes 75 million years ago before blowing them up with hydrogen bombs and brainwashing them with a "three-D, super colossal motion picture" for 36 days. The traumatised thetans subsequently clustered around human bodies, in effect acting as invisible spiritual parasites that can only be removed using advanced Scientology techniques. Reportedly, the cost of reaching OT III approaches $360,000[4]."
7/2/2005 10:41:21 PM EDT
[#8]
Yeah.

And what they actually do to people is worse than their idiotic sci-fi beliefs.

www.xenu.net
7/3/2005 12:19:52 AM EDT
[#9]
isnt it Moonies?  same religious family that owns Kahr.
7/3/2005 5:45:24 AM EDT
[#10]

Quoted:
I haven't been, so I can't say for sure. I have heard that it was an issue in the past, but has been abolished more recently as it was hurting sales. Caveat emptor.


I took their free Uzi class in mid-2001, and there was nothing about Scientology mentioned.  I even sat through their video sales pitch afterwards, in full, figuring that I owed them at least that much for the ammo and shooting time.  I think there was free pizza and soft drinks, too.

Then I started hearing about the Scientology "link" on the gun boards a year or so later.  I never heard of anyone being indoctrinated, asked to join, or shown any videos, just that someone had found out Piazza was a Scientologist and had decided to be a jerk about spreading the information all over the internet.

Ok, Scientology is a wack-job pseudoreligion, worse than most of the cults.  But I never saw or heard of anything related to it being done at Front Sight, other than the founder turning out to be in it and someone else being a jerk about it.  It all seemed like a giant smear campaign to me.