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3/4/2008 7:22:05 PM EDT
Just a thought....

For the brilliant individuals that have the fake markings labeled AUTO - BURST - F/A or whatever other name on their SEMI-AUTO AR, what would happen if a LEO stops you and ask to see your TAX stamp.  We all know that the rifle's markings are bullshit but will the LEO know the difference.  I doubt that he is going to stand there while you explain that you paid $20 so some company can scratch the name AUTO on your AR so you can show your buddies that you have a third pretend selector position.  

What happens if you have a CCW and you are stopped by the LEO and ask if you have any weapons....

- You say YES of course officer I have an AR in the trunk.  
- The LEO officer says may I see it please.
- You whip it out and...OHH fuck I forgot a had Jim the local red neck dremel the word BURST on the side for $20. It is not real...TRUST ME


- Face of LEO =




And don't get me started on the fake suppressors.  I need a beer.
3/4/2008 4:41:52 PM EDT
[#1]
3/10

i'd say "here you go, try it out" and laugh as the jackass tries tp put it in auto.

and don't get me started on beta mags.

eta, what does a ccw have to do with an ar in the trunk?
3/4/2008 4:44:58 PM EDT
[#2]

Quoted:
3/10

i'd say "here you go, try it out" and laugh as the jackass tries tp put it in auto.

and don't get me started on beta mags.


The problem is that some of these people "dick" around with the selector switch to make it go to the BS "AUTO" position.
3/4/2008 4:51:12 PM EDT
[#3]
i have an ar on loan to the .gov

the agents were looking at it hard because the eotech said for leo/mil use on it
I was GRILLED A LOT about it, they were pissed that i had govt property that i could not have

if I had a govt marked lower, or one marked leo i would have been hammered
3/4/2008 4:54:26 PM EDT
[#4]
What agents of what agency didn't know that all EOTechs have this marking?  Did you get their badge numbers so you can get their stupid asses fired?

Quoted:
i have an ar on loan to the .gov

the agents were looking at it hard because the eotech said for leo/mil use on it
I was GRILLED A LOT about it, they were pissed that i had govt property that i could not have

if I had a govt marked lower, or one marked leo i would have been hammered
3/4/2008 4:57:24 PM EDT
[#5]

Quoted:
if I had a govt marked lower, or one marked leo i would have been hammered


for what, you must have it backwards.
3/4/2008 5:17:16 PM EDT
[#6]

Quoted:
What agents of what agency didn't know that all EOTechs have this marking?  Did you get their badge numbers so you can get their stupid asses fired?

Quoted:
i have an ar on loan to the .gov

the agents were looking at it hard because the eotech said for leo/mil use on it
I was GRILLED A LOT about it, they were pissed that i had govt property that i could not have

if I had a govt marked lower, or one marked leo i would have been hammered


I'd like to hear more about this story.
3/4/2008 5:22:34 PM EDT
[#7]

Quoted:

Quoted:
What agents of what agency didn't know that all EOTechs have this marking?  Did you get their badge numbers so you can get their stupid asses fired?

Quoted:
i have an ar on loan to the .gov

the agents were looking at it hard because the eotech said for leo/mil use on it
I was GRILLED A LOT about it, they were pissed that i had govt property that i could not have

if I had a govt marked lower, or one marked leo i would have been hammered


I'd like to hear more about this story.



Me too...
3/4/2008 5:26:35 PM EDT
[#8]
iirc, an AR-15 trigger group w/ a M16 selector switch (to rotate to "auto" position) just acts the exact same as the safety position.
3/4/2008 5:32:46 PM EDT
[#9]

Quoted:
3/10

i'd say "here you go, try it out" and laugh as the jackass tries tp put it in auto.

and don't get me started on beta mags.

eta, what does a ccw have to do with an ar in the trunk?


I CCW and I keep an AR in the trunk too.
3/4/2008 5:43:37 PM EDT
[#10]
When the LEO asks to see the AR, tell him no. No warrant, no looky.
3/4/2008 5:48:42 PM EDT
[#11]

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I CCW and I keep an AR in the trunk too.


that's fine but what do they have to do with each other?
3/4/2008 5:52:58 PM EDT
[#12]

Quoted:

Quoted:
I CCW and I keep an AR in the trunk too.


that's fine but what do they have to do with each other?


yeah, what he said!!

Why would you consent to a search of your trunk?  
3/4/2008 5:58:19 PM EDT
[#13]

Quoted:
Just a thought....

For the brilliant individuals that have the fake markings labeled AUTO - BURST - F/A or whatever other name on their SEMI-AUTO AR, what would happen if a LEO stops you and ask to see your TAX stamp.  We all know that the rifle's markings are bullshit but will the LEO know the difference.  I doubt that he is going to stand there while you explain that you paid $20 so some company can scratch the name AUTO on your AR so you can show your buddies that you have a third pretend selector position.  

What happens if you have a CCW and you are stopped by the LEO and ask if you have any weapons....

- You say YES of course officer I have an AR in the trunk.  
- The LEO officer says may I see it please.
- You whip it out and...OHH fuck I forgot a had Jim the local red neck dremel the word BURST on the side for $20. It is not real...TRUST ME


- Face of LEO =

And don't get me started on the fake suppressors.  I need a beer.


Did this happen to you recently Been posted in BOTS yet
3/4/2008 5:58:43 PM EDT
[#14]

Quoted:
iirc, an AR-15 trigger group w/ a M16 selector switch (to rotate to "auto" position) just acts the exact same as the safety position.


Actually it is just another fire position.
3/4/2008 6:08:58 PM EDT
[#15]

Quoted:

Quoted:
iirc, an AR-15 trigger group w/ a M16 selector switch (to rotate to "auto" position) just acts the exact same as the safety position.


Actually it is just another fire position.


Tried it. Acts as another Safety position.
3/4/2008 6:12:40 PM EDT
[#16]

Quoted:

Quoted:

Quoted:
iirc, an AR-15 trigger group w/ a M16 selector switch (to rotate to "auto" position) just acts the exact same as the safety position.


Actually it is just another fire position.


Tried it. Acts as another Safety position.


Me too, it went bang, every time.

3/4/2008 6:15:28 PM EDT
[#17]
Strange. Cant get my trigger to move any when in this position. No clicky, no bang.

Any ideas why it would work one way or the other?

EDIT: Cool s/n BTW...
3/4/2008 6:16:22 PM EDT
[#18]

Quoted:

Quoted:
Just a thought....

For the brilliant individuals that have the fake markings labeled AUTO - BURST - F/A or whatever other name on their SEMI-AUTO AR, what would happen if a LEO stops you and ask to see your TAX stamp.  We all know that the rifle's markings are bullshit but will the LEO know the difference.  I doubt that he is going to stand there while you explain that you paid $20 so some company can scratch the name AUTO on your AR so you can show your buddies that you have a third pretend selector position.  

What happens if you have a CCW and you are stopped by the LEO and ask if you have any weapons....

- You say YES of course officer I have an AR in the trunk.  
- The LEO officer says may I see it please.
- You whip it out and...OHH fuck I forgot a had Jim the local red neck dremel the word BURST on the side for $20. It is not real...TRUST ME


- Face of LEO =

And don't get me started on the fake suppressors.  I need a beer.


Did this happen to you recently Been posted in BOTS yet


no
3/4/2008 6:17:56 PM EDT
[#19]
If your that worried about it... then get this:

NSN 1005-00-233-9031
P/N 8448676
CAGE 19204
M-16 Plate Locking (used for riot control)    "M16 Selector Lock"


lol

I have one... only because I collect any accessories for the my rifle though.
3/4/2008 6:37:24 PM EDT
[#20]

Quoted:
When the LEO asks to see the AR, tell him no. No warrant, no looky.


+1  If you haven't done anything wrong that would give them PC to search that vehicle then don't consent to a search, period!  Sure they may try and hassle you by keeping you there for a bit longer but ultimately they can't search that trunk without PC.  I'm not advocating being a dick just say no.
3/4/2008 6:44:22 PM EDT
[#21]

Quoted:

Quoted:

Quoted:
What agents of what agency didn't know that all EOTechs have this marking?  Did you get their badge numbers so you can get their stupid asses fired?

Quoted:
i have an ar on loan to the .gov

the agents were looking at it hard because the eotech said for leo/mil use on it
I was GRILLED A LOT about it, they were pissed that i had govt property that i could not have

if I had a govt marked lower, or one marked leo i would have been hammered


I'd like to hear more about this story.



Me too...


 As would I.

 Since I own a Colt 6721 which is clearly marked

 Restricted
Military/Government
Law Enforcement/Export
 use only

3/4/2008 6:46:26 PM EDT
[#22]
IMO, that is even lamer than a fake silencer or a fake 203.
I mean, don't you feel like a real loser when someone asks "hey is that a real grenade launcher/silencer/M16?" and you say, no I bought a fake one?
No point to have that on your rifle unless you enjoy attention.
And by attention, I mean being hassled by LEOs.
3/4/2008 6:48:52 PM EDT
[#23]
Regular LEOs can't demand your stamp, only ATF agents can iirc.
3/4/2008 6:53:55 PM EDT
[#24]

Quoted:
IMO, that is even lamer than a fake silencer or a fake 203.
I mean, don't you feel like a real loser when someone asks "hey is that a real grenade launcher/silencer/M16?" and you say, no I bought a fake one?
No point to have that on your rifle unless you enjoy attention.
And by attention, I mean being hassled by LEOs.


Some of us like retro ARs and try to get them as close to the real thing as is humanly possible.
3/4/2008 6:55:01 PM EDT
[#25]

Quoted:
Regular LEOs can't demand your stamp, only ATF agents can iirc.


What about range officers? Is it a necessity to show them so you can shoot at the range? (I've no clue since I don't have a NFA item...yet)
3/4/2008 7:02:46 PM EDT
[#26]

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Quoted:
Regular LEOs can't demand your stamp, only ATF agents can iirc.


What about range officers? Is it a necessity to show them so you can shoot at the range? (I've no clue since I don't have a NFA item...yet)


Private range, I'm sure they can say "we see the stamp or it doesn't come in"
3/4/2008 7:09:08 PM EDT
[#27]

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Regular LEOs can't demand your stamp, only ATF agents can iirc.


That's right, they can't demand it.
However, it is generally a good idea to show it to them, have it sorted out in 5 minutes, and use the oppurtunity to educate some folks on NFA laws, instead of saying neener-neener-neener, then finding yourself in cuffs while things get straightened out.
3/4/2008 7:11:50 PM EDT
[#28]

Quoted:

Quoted:
Regular LEOs can't demand your stamp, only ATF agents can iirc.


That's right, they can't demand it.
However, it is generally a good idea to show it to them, have it sorted out in 5 minutes, and use the oppurtunity to educate some folks on NFA laws, instead of saying neener-neener-neener, then finding yourself in cuffs while things get straightened out.
Living in Maryland has gotten to you.  Down here we don't grant cops that much power, hence me telling a deputy the other day that his boss was an anti freedom faggot.
3/4/2008 7:15:06 PM EDT
[#29]
It's called function checking a rifle.  That said, anybody who would actually have a problem with it is 9000% more likely not to understand how easy it is to demonstrate that it cannot fire in AUTO.
3/4/2008 7:24:37 PM EDT
[#30]

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Quoted:
3/10

i'd say "here you go, try it out" and laugh as the jackass tries tp put it in auto.

and don't get me started on beta mags.


The problem is that some of these people "dick" around with the selector switch to make it go to the BS "AUTO" position.


how does one dick around with a chunk of metal < the selector switch > to go to a position that a semi auto does NOT have the cut outs for... ?

only way os to replace the knob..

isnt it. ?
3/4/2008 7:25:31 PM EDT
[#31]
Some manufacturers (Colt and Oly come to mind) have used M16 selectors in their civilian rifles at certain periods of time. It doesnt make a machine gun just like a M16 BCG doesnt make a machine gun.


3/4/2008 7:30:25 PM EDT
[#32]
Because the selector switch on a semi-automatic AR-15 can't turn to that position?

That would be the first clue.


So then it doesn't really matter what it says there.
3/4/2008 8:16:14 PM EDT
[#33]
So your saying it might be a problem if my trunk contains a AR with a M203, fake suppressor, full-auto selector,and a lower marked gov use only.

that would take some explaining.
3/4/2008 8:18:42 PM EDT
[#34]

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So your saying it might be a problem if my trunk contains a AR with a M203, fake suppressor, full-auto selector,and a lower marked gov use only.

that would take some explaining.


'Round here MOST cops would just wanna bitch at you for it all being fake some would try to arrest you for having the real legal stuff
3/4/2008 8:19:32 PM EDT
[#35]
I'd chamber a round and in a serious tone say..."Sir, stop asking questions."






-Ben
3/4/2008 10:16:03 PM EDT
[#36]
I'd gladly pop it open and explain everything he wanted to know, and a bit more. Maybe make a new BRD victim.
I've found that cops are more often gun guys than 'Joe Citizen', but I've been in LE in various capacities for 11 years, so my exposure has been above average.
3/4/2008 10:22:42 PM EDT
[#37]

Quoted:

Quoted:

Quoted:
Regular LEOs can't demand your stamp, only ATF agents can iirc.


That's right, they can't demand it.
However, it is generally a good idea to show it to them, have it sorted out in 5 minutes, and use the oppurtunity to educate some folks on NFA laws, instead of saying neener-neener-neener, then finding yourself in cuffs while things get straightened out.
Living in Maryland has gotten to you.  Down here we don't grant cops that much power, hence me telling a deputy the other day that his boss was an anti freedom faggot.


HAHAHAHAHAHAH

Your my hero
3/4/2008 10:26:36 PM EDT
[#38]

Quoted:
IMO, that is even lamer than a fake silencer or a fake 203.
I mean, don't you feel like a real loser when someone asks "hey is that a real grenade launcher/silencer/M16?" and you say, no I bought a fake one?
No point to have that on your rifle unless you enjoy attention.
And by attention, I mean being hassled by LEOs.




3/4/2008 10:28:21 PM EDT
[#39]
I don't care what people's markings are.

3/4/2008 10:44:02 PM EDT
[#40]
I think I just might go and get an M16 selector and have my AR15 lower engraved with safe,semi,auto,zombie,salad shooter,puree and burst....then to top it off I'm gunna Crayola all of them.

Oh and an M203 that fires party poppers.


Why? Because I can, and if it pisses you off thats not my problem. I don't like your haircut or the position your steering column is set at.
3/4/2008 10:47:51 PM EDT
[#41]

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I think I just might go and M16 selector and have my AR15 lower engraved with safe,semi,auto,zombie,salad shooter,puree and burst....then to top it off I'm gunna Crayola all of them.

Oh and an M203 that fires party poppers.


Why? Because I can, and if it pisses you off thats not my problem. I don't like your haircut or the position your steering column is set at.


Thank you!
3/5/2008 2:42:12 AM EDT
[#42]

Quoted:

Quoted:

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iirc, an AR-15 trigger group w/ a M16 selector switch (to rotate to "auto" position) just acts the exact same as the safety position.


Actually it is just another fire position.


Tried it. Acts as another Safety position.


Which tells me that you HAVEN'T ground off the rib in the middle of the switch, and are using an AR15 semi auto trigger.

If you use an unaltered M16 switch in a semi only AR, you'll get a second safety position. On the other hand, if you grind off the rib in the middle, you get a second semi "Fire" position.
3/5/2008 2:51:44 AM EDT
[#43]
I have a Frankford Arsenal lower that has NO selector markings. No "Safe" or "Fire" at all. I thought about etching it "No Bang" and "Bang", but I'm not sure I could get the etching to look right with my process..
3/5/2008 3:15:12 AM EDT
[#44]

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Quoted:
3/10

i'd say "here you go, try it out" and laugh as the jackass tries tp put it in auto.

and don't get me started on beta mags.


The problem is that some of these people "dick" around with the selector switch to make it go to the BS "AUTO" position.


*Edit* Already been discussed.
3/5/2008 3:17:32 AM EDT
[#45]
I like what mine says.



Since it is a registered SBR. I can put whatever markings on it I want.
3/5/2008 3:42:27 AM EDT
[#46]
This tax stamp question is asked... with the assumption that most LEO's even know WTF a tax stamp is in the first place.


I was at a MG shoot years ago... and after many complaints by the local residents, the popo showed up.
The biggest loudmouth complainer at the range "demanded" the LEO inspect everyones paperwork.
Of course we all obliged... and soon the popo had 20 hands extended in front of him with form4's.

Just a quick glance at them and he said "OK"

He never even "looked" at ANY of them... because he didn't have a fucking CLUE what he was looking at.

I can't recall ONE single visit to ANY range with my C3 stuff...  where the other shooters even had a remote idea what was/wasn't legal...  much less what the paperwork should look like.

This is why it's important for ALL of us to be sharp as a tack when it comes to gun laws.

You may find yourself educating someone at the range some day...  including a Police Officer.
3/5/2008 3:43:39 AM EDT
[#47]
I had a Browning 1919A4 semi-auto made with the correct lettering on the side plate. It says something like "Browning Machine Gun .30 cal Model 1919A4 etc".  The manufacturer got a BATF approval letter on the lettering. I carry a copy of the BATF letter with me when I shoot it because I feel confident that many LEOs would think it's a machine gun just because it says so on the side plate.


3/5/2008 3:46:53 AM EDT
[#48]

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I had a Browning 1919A4 semi-auto made with the correct lettering on the side plate. It says something like "Browning Machine Gun .30 cal Model 1919A4 etc".  The manufacturer got a BATF approval letter on the lettering. I carry a copy of the BATF letter with me when I shoot it because I feel confident that many LEOs would think it's a machine gun just because it says so on the side plate.


members.roadfly.com/Agent7/guns/1919A4_westinghouse_1.jpg


anyone called you out on on it in the last 6 months.
3/5/2008 3:52:23 AM EDT
[#49]


This is how my SBR will be marked (when I can afford one ).
3/5/2008 4:00:32 AM EDT
[#50]

Quoted:
www.peppersandsmoke.com/temp/selector.jpg

This is how my SBR will be marked (when I can afford one ).

Needs a Bacon selection.
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