Posted: 1/8/2009 3:50:40 AM EDT
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I'm a firm believer in the 2nd Amendment existing to protect civilians from an oppressive government (among many other reasons). But I believe this was the main reason this amendment was included in the bill of rights.
With that being said.... Imagine a situation where the civil war meets Nazism in modern USA. You are the majority; however, a radical group controls all the armed forces and the governors are unable to call up the national guard. The only answer is militias. Would you modify your carbines to full auto? Obviously US citizens couldn't go toe to toe with the US military, but I believe Vietnam and Iraq have shown us that gorilla warfare can put a great strain on modern armies. |
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I'm a firm believer in the 2nd Amendment existing to protect civilians from an oppressive government (among many other reasons). But I believe this was the main reason this amendment was included in the bill of rights. With that being said.... Imagine a situation where the civil war meets Nazism in modern USA. You are the majority; however, a radical group controls all the armed forces and the governors are unable to call up the national guard. The only answer is militias. Would you modify your carbines to full auto? Obviously US citizens couldn't go toe to toe with the US military, but I believe Vietnam and Iraq have shown us that gorilla warfare can put a great strain on modern armies. I think what you are proposing is crazy first off. Secondly, why would I want to convert to full auto? I can hit multiple targets a lot faster and more accurately with a semi. |
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I'm a firm believer in the 2nd Amendment existing to protect civilians from an oppressive government (among many other reasons). But I believe this was the main reason this amendment was included in the bill of rights. With that being said.... Imagine a situation where the civil war meets Nazism in modern USA. You are the majority; however, a radical group controls all the armed forces and the governors are unable to call up the national guard. The only answer is militias. Would you modify your carbines to full auto? Obviously US citizens couldn't go toe to toe with the US military, but I believe Vietnam and Iraq have shown us that gorilla warfare can put a great strain on modern armies. ..and how exactly would ppl convert semi auto guns to full auto guns? (Let's see if he knows the right answer  )
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I'm a firm believer in the 2nd Amendment existing to protect civilians from an oppressive government (among many other reasons). But I believe this was the main reason this amendment was included in the bill of rights. With that being said.... Imagine a situation where the civil war meets Nazism in modern USA. You are the majority; however, a radical group controls all the armed forces and the governors are unable to call up the national guard. The only answer is militias. Would you modify your carbines to full auto? Obviously US citizens couldn't go toe to toe with the US military, but I believe Vietnam and Iraq have shown us that gorilla warfare can put a great strain on modern armies. ..and how exactly would ppl convert semi auto guns to full auto guns? (Let's see if he knows the right answer )
Easy. Shoot russian solider with your semi. Take russian's select fire. 
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I'm a firm believer in the 2nd Amendment existing to protect civilians from an oppressive government (among many other reasons). But I believe this was the main reason this amendment was included in the bill of rights. With that being said.... Imagine a situation where the civil war meets Nazism in modern USA. You are the majority; however, a radical group controls all the armed forces and the governors are unable to call up the national guard. The only answer is militias. Would you modify your carbines to full auto? Obviously US citizens couldn't go toe to toe with the US military, but I believe Vietnam and Iraq have shown us that gorilla warfare can put a great strain on modern armies. ..and how exactly would ppl convert semi auto guns to full auto guns? (Let's see if he knows the right answer )
duh, file down the firing pin. |
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I'm a firm believer in the 2nd Amendment existing to protect civilians from an oppressive government (among many other reasons). But I believe this was the main reason this amendment was included in the bill of rights. With that being said.... Imagine a situation where the civil war meets Nazism in modern USA. You are the majority; however, a radical group controls all the armed forces and the governors are unable to call up the national guard. The only answer is militias. Would you modify your carbines to full auto? Obviously US citizens couldn't go toe to toe with the US military, but I believe Vietnam and Iraq have shown us that gorilla warfare can put a great strain on modern armies. ..and how exactly would ppl convert semi auto guns to full auto guns? (Let's see if he knows the right answer )
String duh!...jk It's significantly easier with AR-15's than AK-47's ;) guerrilla, gorilla, goalrilla (it's a basketball goal) Let's try to stay on subject. This situation isn't totally impossible. History proves civilizations tend to crumble from within more often than they are overtaken by a foreign power (ie China). |
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So our government is executing political dissidents, retards, minorities and is rounding up the rest? I think at that point, the Constitution would be null and void as well as the politicians and laws enacted from it. Anything goes to dispatch such a tyranny.
And for the record, MORALITY HAS NO PLACE IN THE SECOND AMENDMENT. |
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I'm a firm believer in the 2nd Amendment existing to protect civilians from an oppressive government (among many other reasons). But I believe this was the main reason this amendment was included in the bill of rights. With that being said.... Imagine a situation where the civil war meets Nazism in modern USA. You are the majority; however, a radical group controls all the armed forces and the governors are unable to call up the national guard. The only answer is militias. Would you modify your carbines to full auto? Obviously US citizens couldn't go toe to toe with the US military, but I believe Vietnam and Iraq have shown us that gorilla warfare can put a great strain on modern armies. ..and how exactly would ppl convert semi auto guns to full auto guns? (Let's see if he knows the right answer )
duh, file down the firing pin. SO THATS HOW YOU DO IT!
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No. Aimed fire in semi is much more effective. I agree completely. I would not mind having a slung SMG though. Consider the usefulness... You can carry a good amount of additional ammo w/o too much hassle, say 30-32rd mags of 9mm. You have maneuverability, such as room clearing ability. Carbines are alright in a house, but I'd rather something smaller, and FA is useful in this application. Considering that, instead of a carbine, no reason you couldn't carry a rifle. And you'd have at least some ability of offering cover/suppressive fire if necessary. While a 9mm SMG is not a "big gun" by no means, I think it's sort of an ideal all around compromise. And I'd rather have an SMG than a handgun for backup, all things considered. |
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I'm a firm believer in the 2nd Amendment existing to protect civilians from an oppressive government (among many other reasons). But I believe this was the main reason this amendment was included in the bill of rights. With that being said.... Imagine a situation where the civil war meets Nazism in modern USA. You are the majority; however, a radical group controls all the armed forces and the governors are unable to call up the national guard. The only answer is militias. Would you modify your carbines to full auto? Obviously US citizens couldn't go toe to toe with the US military, but I believe Vietnam and Iraq have shown us that gorilla warfare can put a great strain on modern armies. I think what you are proposing is crazy first off. Secondly, why would I want to convert to full auto? I can hit multiple targets a lot faster and more accurately with a semi. BTW this one good hit is worth more than 30 misses though when bullets are coming your way its not that easy |
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I'm a firm believer in the 2nd Amendment existing to protect civilians from an oppressive government (among many other reasons). But I believe this was the main reason this amendment was included in the bill of rights. With that being said.... Imagine a situation where the civil war meets Nazism in modern USA. You are the majority; however, a radical group controls all the armed forces and the governors are unable to call up the national guard. The only answer is militias. Would you modify your carbines to full auto? Obviously US citizens couldn't go toe to toe with the US military, but I believe Vietnam and Iraq have shown us that gorilla warfare can put a great strain on modern armies. ..and how exactly would ppl convert semi auto guns to full auto guns? (Let's see if he knows the right answer )
duh, file down the firing pin. SO THATS HOW YOU DO IT! Actually, that will only get you three round burst. For true machine gun fire performance, cut a good half inch off the firing pin. _MaH |
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lets just put it this way, during the American Revolution the country and the army was so poor that citizens had to buy canons, my uncle's wife family still had a canon they had bought in their basement in new jersey last time I was there. So since the amendments were written during those times we can safely say that our founding fathers were not address muskets alone when the part was written t"he right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed". we had just fought a war against a tyrannical government and they wanted to protect the citizens from our government and all outside governments.
any discussions of whether or not a certain weapon belongs in the hands of a law abiding citizen only goes to bolster our 2nd amendment enemies side |
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You obey the law for one of two reasons…
Moral – The law corresponds with Natural Law and is therefore just and good. You are obligated to always follow Natural Law, even in a state of anarchy. Fear – The law isn’t backed by morality and you just obey it out of fear of punishment. I personally don’t believe guerilla warfare (or Gorilla warfare if you prefer) is moral to begin with. So, if I were willing to sneak around shooting people I don’t think I would be worried about the morality of having a full auto weapon. And I can’t see my enemy saying… well you just killed 50 people and maimed 200 more in your terrorist attack, so we would let you off with a warning. But you illegally modified your rifle to fire full auto, so we’re going to throw the book at you. |
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I'm a firm believer in the 2nd Amendment existing to protect civilians from an oppressive government (among many other reasons). But I believe this was the main reason this amendment was included in the bill of rights. With that being said.... Imagine a situation where the civil war meets Nazism in modern USA. You are the majority; however, a radical group controls all the armed forces and the governors are unable to call up the national guard. The only answer is militias. Would you modify your carbines to full auto? Obviously US citizens couldn't go toe to toe with the US military, but I believe Vietnam and Iraq have shown us that gorilla warfare can put a great strain on modern armies. ..and how exactly would ppl convert semi auto guns to full auto guns? (Let's see if he knows the right answer )
duh, file down the firing pin. SO THATS HOW YOU DO IT! Actually, that will only get you three round burst. For true machine gun fire performance, cut a good half inch off the firing pin. _MaH ..and don't forget to cut 3 coils off of the extractor spring! |
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It's a legal question, so if anyone answers yes they're advocating breaking the law. I'd say that makes this a troll post, since the answer could violate the CoC. . Ya think? Nope. This isn't a trolling question, it's a "would you....if the constitution had been thrown out the window and tyranny set up camp in the white house. I think the answer is clear. AND ITS NOT FUCKING MORALITY! Morality only comes to play when the rule or law is mala in se, gun laws are mala in FACT. There's no moral issues in modifying a rifle to go F/A if the evil you are attempting to overthrow is greater than the rule you're breaking. Go full auto Rambo. |
| Even the military teaches you in basic training to fire in semi-auto mode. Very rarely (ifever) would you see your standard rifleman switch his M-16 from semi-auto in combat. Full-auto is really only effective as suppressive fire, and then they have a designated man and rifle for that. So to answer your question, yes, it does have it's place but a modified AR-15 is not the ideal weapon to do it with and frankly I don't think anyone would risk fucking theirs up for that specific reason. It would be much more effective as it is in semi mode. |
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If there was a true civil war situation here in the US, I think the last thing on "resistance" or "rebel" forces minds would be the NFA. Yes, most fighters would modify their weapons to full auto, and also look for arms deals with other countries and arms brokers to buy much more than just full auto assault rifles.
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A guy asks a real question in the appropriate forum and we see many imature comments. Is the average age on this forum 12? Some of you have a real superiority complex. 1. Who is "we," is this a group posting? 2. Its Arfcom so it is certainly not "some." 3. A completely unsupported pronouncement followed by a sanctimonious judgment will makes most Arfcommers giggle. 4. I am 11. 5. So when you decide to start killing people, will you "illegally" convert your weapon to full auto.? |