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2/9/2008 3:12:24 PM EDT
Based on outside appearances only, how do the Garands coming out of the CMP differ from a Garand used in the Northern European theater of World War 2 (i.e. from D-Day to the Battle of the Bulge).

My tentative plan is to purchase a service grade rifle from the CMP but then send it to DRG for refurbishing if needed. I'd like it to look like a WWII gun but in his e-mail he mentioned quite a few mods that really add up in price. I'd like to find pics of guns that configured as a WWII gun and what is coming out the CMP now.

Thanks
2/9/2008 3:30:13 PM EDT
[#1]
Really the only difference I know of is the locking rear sight. Other than that the CMP M1s are just like late WW2 issue.

I have 2 one is just a rack grade and the other is an M1D. Love both of them.
2/9/2008 3:37:04 PM EDT
[#2]

Quoted:
Really the only difference I know of is the locking rear sight. Other than that the CMP M1s are just like late WW2 issue.

I have 2 one is just a rack grade and the other is an M1D. Love both of them.


if I'm not mistaken, I've heard of people on the CMP forums saying they requested rifles with lockbar sights and WWII-era reciever serials and have gotten them. This however was in the past; I can't guarantee it would come any sooner nowadyas or at all, as SA SG's are backed up for months.
2/9/2008 3:38:58 PM EDT
[#3]
The lock-bar rear sight is the big difference that most people would notice. You would want a walnut stock,too. Lots of the re-imports will have beech or mystery Korean wood stocks and handguards.
2/9/2008 3:57:09 PM EDT
[#4]
Eye Candy


Dean did the work on this one.
2/9/2008 5:37:58 PM EDT
[#5]

Quoted:
Eye Candy


Dean did the work on this one.


That is gorgeous!  
2/9/2008 5:41:54 PM EDT
[#6]
Some of the modifications Dean says he's done in the past were:

1)  a narrow base gas cylinder

2)  a #3 op rod

3)  a #2 bolt


How noticeable are these from simply looking at the rifle.  From what I told him I wanted, he is describing an accurate WWII replica.  
2/9/2008 5:50:28 PM EDT
[#7]
IIRC didnt most of the ww2 era guns also have milled trigger gaurds?
2/9/2008 5:51:56 PM EDT
[#8]
As a guy who ordered a big fat shitheap of garands from CMP:


Basically, you are getting the luck of the draw from CMP.

It could be a WWII garand or a garand made in 1957.  You never know.

Basically, all garands (except for the very late production) have been rebuild in one of several huge army arsenal rebuild programs.

You might get a garand with a WWII reciever and all new parts (circa 1963).  Or you might get an old one with just a few parts replaced.

The nice thing is that you can break a garand down to the smallest parts in about 5 minutes.  So if you want a "correct" garand, you can make one.  Some guys make a hobby of it, but I like my rebuilds.

They have been running low on garands recently, a few years ago you could get a WWII winchester for $575.  

All that being said, if you get a shitty one, send it back, they'll treat you right.

CMP is awesome and you will love the garand, it is an amazing and  classic design.



2/9/2008 5:56:46 PM EDT
[#9]

Quoted:
Some of the modifications Dean says he's done in the past were:

1)  a narrow base gas cylinder

2)  a #3 op rod

3)  a #2 bolt


How noticeable are these from simply looking at the rifle.  From what I told him I wanted, he is describing an accurate WWII replica.  


I not sure what you are referring to.

If you want a WWII op rod, all you have to do is buy one and stick it on.

Seriously, except for unscrewing the barrel from the reciever, after you get the hang of it you will be able to take virtually any part off your garand in about 2 minutes flat.

The only caveat is: dont replace the barrel or bolt without using a set of headspace gauges.  So you don't blow your nice new garand up.

2/9/2008 5:58:32 PM EDT
[#10]

Quoted:

Quoted:
Really the only difference I know of is the locking rear sight. Other than that the CMP M1s are just like late WW2 issue.

I have 2 one is just a rack grade and the other is an M1D. Love both of them.


if I'm not mistaken, I've heard of people on the CMP forums saying they requested rifles with lockbar sights and WWII-era reciever serials and have gotten them. This however was in the past; I can't guarantee it would come any sooner nowadyas or at all, as SA SG's are backed up for months.


I requested Lockbars on my woodless. They sent me a woodless with an original 4/43 barrel, milled trigger guard, and lockbars. If you put the request on your order form, they will do their best to fill it. You could request wwii serial # too. I would limit it to one request. If you request LB sights, you will more than likely get a WWII issue rifle anyway.
2/9/2008 7:06:07 PM EDT
[#11]

Quoted:

Quoted:
Some of the modifications Dean says he's done in the past were:

1)  a narrow base gas cylinder

2)  a #3 op rod

3)  a #2 bolt


How noticeable are these from simply looking at the rifle.  From what I told him I wanted, he is describing an accurate WWII replica.  


I not sure what you are referring to.

If you want a WWII op rod, all you have to do is buy one and stick it on.

Seriously, except for unscrewing the barrel from the reciever, after you get the hang of it you will be able to take virtually any part off your garand in about 2 minutes flat.

The only caveat is: dont replace the barrel or bolt without using a set of headspace gauges.  So you don't blow your nice new garand up.



These are the terms Dean used to describe modifications he did to give a rifle the identical outside appearance of a WWII issue Garand.  
2/9/2008 9:55:02 PM EDT
[#12]
The new ones coming out of the CMP have the non-WWII (Korea?) trigger guard... No hole in the rear, they also have CMP (New) walnut stocks, I just got (3) the other day. a May44 (65brl), a Dec44 (53brl), and a post WWII 5mil sn (65brl).

They are all VERY nice, little wear on the rifle, but not like my CMP rifle from a few years ago (orig stock, use, etc).