[ARCHIVED THREAD] - General strength standards (Page 1 of 3)
Posted: 3/15/2013 5:32:38 AM EDT
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What are some general strength standards for a healthy man ? Not delta force super operator, not spend hours everyday in the gym. Just a regular guy that works out 3-5 times a week.
I realize this is a loaded question. There are standards all over the web, but most imo are unrealistic. I am thinking bench press and leg press or squat. I am open to suggestions. |
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I have seen a ton of different "standards" floating around the web, and like you said, some better than others.
These aren't awful, but in my opinion you should move the "strength level" one space to the right, as I consider myself a novice/beginner and can rank somewhere between intermediate and advanced in most of these. |
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Quoted: I have seen a ton of different "standards" floating around the web, and like you said, some better than others. These aren't awful, but in my opinion you should move the "strength level" one space to the right, as I consider myself a novice/beginner and can rank somewhere between intermediate and advanced in most of these. Yeah I agree with you. It's not a bad start though, I rank between advanced an elite on that chart for everything but a couple lifts, definitely should move to the right as I'm nowhere near elite, or even advanced. ETA- or maybe we're just expecting too much of ourselves, I see those standards are from Lon Kilgore....
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I have seen a ton of different "standards" floating around the web, and like you said, some better than others. These aren't awful, but in my opinion you should move the "strength level" one space to the right, as I consider myself a novice/beginner and can rank somewhere between intermediate and advanced in most of these. Those put me in between Intermediate and Advanced... I really don't lift often in lots of those. These past few months have been the most I've lifted in the last few years. |
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Yeah I agree with you. It's not a bad start though, I rank between advanced an elite on that chart for everything but a couple lifts, definitely should move to the right as I'm nowhere near elite, or even advanced. ETA- or maybe we're just expecting too much of ourselves, I see those standards are from Lon Kilgore.... Ha, perhaps. I don't consider myself "strong", but everything is relative, I suppose. |
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I use this one, mainly because it calculates my 531 weights as well. |
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IMO these "standards" are completely unrealistic. I do not think that the average "untrained" man who weighs 181 pounds can benchpress 128 pounds.
I have seen other standards that say you should to be average you should be able to benchpress your own bodyweight and squat twice your bodyweight. For this to be considered "average" is completely ridiculous imo. Some standards are even higher then that. Like 1.5 times bodyweight for benchpress and 2.25 for squats. |
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The fact that you think that a double bodyweight squat is unrealistic is fuck tarded and tells me that you never have followed a solid strength program for any significant time period. ANYONE(barring injuries/physical limitations) Can get to a double bwt squat and a bwt bench press. IF they have proper programming and actually put the work in. Any male (once again barring injury, etc) should be able to get a 300lb bench, 400lb squat, and a 500lb deadlift within 3 years of properly programmed, consistent training setup with a decent diet. Proper programming, appropriate effort, and a solid diet are all needed. "Strong" to me is anyone who (raw) crosses into the 400/500/600 realm... |
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Quoted: IMO these "standards" are completely unrealistic. I do not think that the average "untrained" man who weighs 181 pounds can benchpress 128 pounds. I have seen other standards that say you should to be average you should be able to benchpress your own bodyweight and squat twice your bodyweight. For this to be considered "average" is completely ridiculous imo. Some standards are even higher then that. Like 1.5 times bodyweight for benchpress and 2.25 for squats. I don't think benching 128 pounds for an untrained 181# male is unrealistic in the least. I know girls that weight 145# that probably fall into the intermediate category that can bench that. Hell, I could at least bench around 200# once before I even started lifting. 2x bw squat isn't "average"- I don't think anyone said that. I think it's a reasonable number for someone to shoot for though, and a decent marker of strength. DT is completely right, and anyone should be able to hit a bw bench and 2x bw squat with some decent programming. |
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This one is a nice chart. Puts me at "intermediate" and a little lower for "press" and "deadlift" which honestly is where I feel I'm at. Less than a year in. 3 primary lifts are in the 200# range. I would like to see the combination of those to equal 1000#. For some reason I think that would make me pretty strong. I need to make a trip to the gym and try for some heavier weights with a spotter. Been lifting at home and while consistently getting heavier, do not max anything. |
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The fact that you think that a double bodyweight squat is unrealistic is fuck tarded and tells me that you never have followed a solid strength program for any significant time period. ANYONE(barring injuries/physical limitations) Can get to a double bwt squat and a bwt bench press. IF they have proper programming and actually put the work in. Read what I wrote before you start throwing around insults. Define what you mean by "solid strength program" and "significant time period". To me this implies someone who concentrates on power lifting 6 days a week, has a diet designed around it, and has been at it for years. To me this is in no way "average." When I say average I mean a guy who works fulltime and has a life and works out causally 3-5 days a week. |
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I didnt insult you, just your near-sighted logic that because you aren't exposed to the average str athlete, you call things as unrealistic. Asking about average for strength means the average strength athlete. If you're butt hurt by the chart, sorry- lift more... You too can be average. I have, for the last 4 years concentrated on powerlifting, strongman, and boxing in the gym. I work the equiv. of 2 full time jobs (salaried physician, 80hr work weeks are pretty common, not to mention charting when I get home...). I have a wife. I have a kid. I only train strength sports 3-4days/wk. for an hour or 2 per session, occasional boxing sessions where I coach for a couple hrs, but those are rare. People here know I'm no slouch, I can squat 2-3 body weight (550-750+ depending on equipment), bench 1.5-2x bwt, and deadlift 2.5xbwt. ROG and quite a few of the others here are in a similar situation, and I think most actually train more than I do... Diet for strength sports... Just eat loads of clean protein and veggies. It's not hard or unreasonable. Solid programming for example is starting strength, ws4sb, 531, cube. Effort expended is just as important as diet and programming... And inversely proportional to how much of a vag someone is. Is your priority getting strong and fit, or is your priority sitting and watching the bachelor and duck dynasty? |
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Quoted: Quoted: The fact that you think that a double bodyweight squat is unrealistic is fuck tarded and tells me that you never have followed a solid strength program for any significant time period. ANYONE(barring injuries/physical limitations) Can get to a double bwt squat and a bwt bench press. IF they have proper programming and actually put the work in. Read what I wrote before you start throwing around insults. Define what you mean by "solid strength program" and "significant time period". To me this implies someone who concentrates on power lifting 6 days a week, has a diet designed around it, and has been at it for years. To me this is in no way "average." When I say average I mean a guy who works fulltime and has a life and works out causally 3-5 days a week. I have a full time job, 4 kids and a wife, and have a 2xbw squat, 1.5 bench and just shy of a 2.5DL...it's totally doable for the average person on a 3-4 day a week program. I also do a lot of conditioning work, which slows down my strength gains...and I oly lift a lot.
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I didnt insult you, just your near-sighted logic that because you aren't exposed to the average str athlete, you call things as unrealistic.[div] Again you are not reading what i wrote. I didn't ask about an average "str athlete". I asked about the average regular guy who works out casually 3-5 times a week. |
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I didnt insult you, just your near-sighted logic that because you aren't exposed to the average str athlete, you call things as unrealistic.[div] Again you are not reading what i wrote. I didn't ask about an average "str athlete". I asked about the average regular guy who works out casually 3-5 times a week. So don't work out casually. If the average guy spent more time not being average, then average wouldn't be so fucking mediocre. If you don't put effort into your "workout" then you will not reap benefits. If you don't want to be stronger then go pay your gym membership, lift some weights that don't challenge you or without a program, spend some time on a treadmill, and keep robbing us of air. People are generally capable of a lot more than they give themselves credit for. |
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I didnt insult you, just your near-sighted logic that because you aren't exposed to the average str athlete, you call things as unrealistic.[div] Again you are not reading what i wrote. I didn't ask about an average "str athlete". I asked about the average regular guy who works out casually 3-5 times a week. So don't work out casually. If the average guy spent more time not being average, then average wouldn't be so fucking mediocre. If you don't put effort into your "workout" then you will not reap benefits. If you don't want to be stronger then go pay your gym membership, lift some weights that don't challenge you or without a program, spend some time on a treadmill, and keep robbing us of air. People are generally capable of a lot more than they give themselves credit for. Amen, when I decided to start lifting and picked 5/3/1 I told myself I had to go well past uncomfortable and quit being a pussy. I'm heading to week 6 and I'm making good progress. I've pushed past dizziness, headaches from the last few reps and keep going. I can't wait to see what my numbers are come summer time and beyond. |
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I didnt insult you, just your near-sighted logic that because you aren't exposed to the average str athlete, you call things as unrealistic. Again you are not reading what i wrote. I didn't ask about an average "str athlete". I asked about the average regular guy who works out casually 3-5 times a week. So don't work out casually. If the average guy spent more time not being average, then average wouldn't be so fucking mediocre. Dude. That's like pretty motivational and shit. I agree I like that saying. |
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I didnt insult you, just your near-sighted logic that because you aren't exposed to the average str athlete, you call things as unrealistic. Again you are not reading what i wrote. I didn't ask about an average "str athlete". I asked about the average regular guy who works out casually 3-5 times a week. So don't work out casually. If the average guy spent more time not being average, then average wouldn't be so fucking mediocre. Dude. That's like pretty motivational and shit. [div] It's true. Goes hand in hand with the people that "just wanna get toned" or "i don't wanna get huge". People think that they will accidentally get jacked but at the same time don't think don't they can get strong or that they have "tried everything" to either lose or gain weight. It's bullshit. People just want everything handed to them while generally showing disdain for proven safe and effective measures to do so. Like hard work over time and a plan that is adhered to. That's why average is boring. That's why average is weak. That's why average is PATHETIC. |
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I didnt insult you, just your near-sighted logic that because you aren't exposed to the average str athlete, you call things as unrealistic.[div] Again you are not reading what i wrote. I didn't ask about an average "str athlete". I asked about the average regular guy who works out casually 3-5 times a week. I agree with Hank don't work out "casually". I don't train for any competition of power lift. I train for general health. I lift 3 days a week for around 1 hr, 1 day I push prowler for 30-45 minutes, and 1 day I do sledge hammer/boxing work for 45 min to 1 hr. There is nothing casual about my workouts though. They are very planned out and done with maximum weight. My lifts are more than 2xbw squat, more than 1.5 bench and 2.2DL |
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The fact that you think that a double bodyweight squat is unrealistic is fuck tarded and tells me that you never have followed a solid strength program for any significant time period. ANYONE(barring injuries/physical limitations) Can get to a double bwt squat and a bwt bench press. IF they have proper programming and actually put the work in. Read what I wrote before you start throwing around insults. Define what you mean by "solid strength program" and "significant time period". To me this implies someone who concentrates on power lifting 6 days a week, has a diet designed around it, and has been at it for years. To me this is in no way "average." When I say average I mean a guy who works fulltime and has a life and works out causally 3-5 days a week. I work a full time job, two part time jobs, and am on call for the county hazmat. I have a wife and daughter who I like to spend time with as much as possible. I still find time to lift four days a week for about 1-2 hrs in my basement just using basic equipment - barbell, bench/squat stand, dumbbells, and free weights. I miss weeks due to work and illness and have only been lifting for a couple years now, but am still in the intermediate to advanced area at 165 in all the lifts on that chart except for deadlift (fucked up my sacro-illiac falling from a ladder, so I've been working up on that more slowly/carefully). I also don't follow a diet, I usually just eat whatever I want, but watch carbs on non-lift days. I do use a pre-workout and protein supp though, but nothing crazy. If anything, I would say the weight per each class is a bit on the low side. |
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: I didnt insult you, just your near-sighted logic that because you aren't exposed to the average str athlete, you call things as unrealistic. Again you are not reading what i wrote. I didn't ask about an average "str athlete". I asked about the average regular guy who works out casually 3-5 times a week. I agree with Hank don't work out "casually". I don't train for any competition of power lift. I train for general health. I lift 3 days a week for around 1 hr, 1 day I push prowler for 30-45 minutes, and 1 day I do sledge hammer/boxing work for 45 min to 1 hr. There is nothing casual about my workouts though. They are very planned out and done with maximum weight. My lifts are more than 2xbw squat, more than 1.5 bench and 2.2DL This is a great example of how a well thought out program, hard work, and what? 5-6 hours a week? can result in those "unrealistic" numbers for most people. I think the point is that being casual about it will give you sub-par results- but just because time is limited doesn't mean your results have to be limited. You can get a LOT done in 5-6 hours a week. [div]ETA: WHAT THE FUCK IS WRONG WITH MY FORMATTING?!?!?!? |
| OP- you've heard a lot of suggestions- that's what you asked for in your OP. You have a bunch of people in at least some form of moderate agreement. You seem to think you know better than everyone else, so why don't YOU share with us what strength standards you think are realistic? |
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I didnt insult you, just your near-sighted logic that because you aren't exposed to the average str athlete, you call things as unrealistic. Again you are not reading what i wrote. I didn't ask about an average "str athlete". I asked about the average regular guy who works out casually 3-5 times a week. I agree with Hank don't work out "casually". I don't train for any competition of power lift. I train for general health. I lift 3 days a week for around 1 hr, 1 day I push prowler for 30-45 minutes, and 1 day I do sledge hammer/boxing work for 45 min to 1 hr. There is nothing casual about my workouts though. They are very planned out and done with maximum weight. My lifts are more than 2xbw squat, more than 1.5 bench and 2.2DL This is a great example of how a well thought out program, hard work, and what? 5-6 hours a week? can result in those "unrealistic" numbers for most people. I think the point is that being casual about it will give you sub-par results- but just because time is limited doesn't mean your results have to be limited. You can get a LOT done in 5-6 hours a week. [div]ETA: WHAT THE FUCK IS WRONG WITH MY FORMATTING?!?!?!?I used to train "casual" and quite frankly I skipped a lot. My training was very unorginized and not well thought out. I would just go to the gym and train "chest". I would pick 2-3 exersices and do some sets but I never keep track of anything. Then several years ago I got in a cars accident and really screwed up my knee and leg. Since I was a bigger guy 6'-2" 235 lbs the doctor suggested I try a physical therapist he knew that was very into wieght lifting. The theripist started me deadlifting and squating and told me to get my strength up. I decided I would become more dedicated to it. I got "Starting Strength" and followed it to the tee. Then I did Texas Method and now am doing a modified 5/3/1 for a 3 day schedule. I started the prowler and Sledge work to keep the body fat down. I have gained more strength in the last few years then I did in the whole decade before. I just with I would have found starting strength at 24 instead of 34. I am currently 248 lbs and Bench 405 lbs, Overhead press 240 lbs, Squat 505 lbs, and dead 550 lbs. I need to get my squat and dead up.......I am want to add at least 50 lbs to each. |
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IMO these "standards" are completely unrealistic. I do not think that the average "untrained" man who weighs 181 pounds can benchpress 128 pounds. I have seen other standards that say you should to be average you should be able to benchpress your own bodyweight and squat twice your bodyweight. For this to be considered "average" is completely ridiculous imo. Some standards are even higher then that. Like 1.5 times bodyweight for benchpress and 2.25 for squats. 
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IMO these "standards" are completely unrealistic. I do not think that the average "untrained" man who weighs 181 pounds can benchpress 128 pounds. I have seen other standards that say you should to be average you should be able to benchpress your own bodyweight and squat twice your bodyweight. For this to be considered "average" is completely ridiculous imo. Some standards are even higher then that. Like 1.5 times bodyweight for benchpress and 2.25 for squats.
That's all I can add to that... No kidding. I see "average untrained" males all the time in our gym, and I'm pretty sure most of them could bench that % of their BW. Here is the problem with such a low number which sadly in our society is probably pretty close to right. With the increase in less physical jobs and even schools cutting PE people are less and less likely to build what used to be "standard strength". Is that acceptable? Fuck no! I remember back in the Nav I would brow beat guys in my division to do my PT test. Nothing more then pushups/sit-ups/pullups, 2 mins on 2 mins rest. You know what the saddest fucking thing is? To watch guys that supposably maxed pushups and "curl ups" on the PRT not even make 20 real fucking pushups, usually less on the full sit-ups and pullups... The average would have been a half rep... Mean while I'm knocking out 80-100 full pushups, 80-90 full situps and 20-27 pullups... If a 181lb male can only Bench 120lbs untrained then he sure as fuck can't pull his ass up a wall... Or hold his wife/SO up against the wall if you catch my drift 
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: IMO these "standards" are completely unrealistic. I do not think that the average "untrained" man who weighs 181 pounds can benchpress 128 pounds. I have seen other standards that say you should to be average you should be able to benchpress your own bodyweight and squat twice your bodyweight. For this to be considered "average" is completely ridiculous imo. Some standards are even higher then that. Like 1.5 times bodyweight for benchpress and 2.25 for squats. That's all I can add to that... No kidding. I see "average untrained" males all the time in our gym, and I'm pretty sure most of them could bench that % of their BW. I doubt many can do 2x squats though. |
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: IMO these "standards" are completely unrealistic. I do not think that the average "untrained" man who weighs 181 pounds can benchpress 128 pounds. I have seen other standards that say you should to be average you should be able to benchpress your own bodyweight and squat twice your bodyweight. For this to be considered "average" is completely ridiculous imo. Some standards are even higher then that. Like 1.5 times bodyweight for benchpress and 2.25 for squats. That's all I can add to that... No kidding. I see "average untrained" males all the time in our gym, and I'm pretty sure most of them could bench that % of their BW. I doubt many can do 2x squats though. I was referring to the 181# male and the 128# bench, which is totally doable for just about anyone IMO. That's a 70% of BW bench...not unrealistic for an untrained male IMO. A 2x BW squat can be had with a good program, hard work, and a few hours of gym time a week. Nobody is going to be able to do that if they are untrained. |
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I didnt insult you, just your near-sighted logic that because you aren't exposed to the average str athlete, you call things as unrealistic. Again you are not reading what i wrote. I didn't ask about an average "str athlete". I asked about the average regular guy who works out casually 3-5 times a week. So don't work out casually. If the average guy spent more time not being average, then average wouldn't be so fucking mediocre. Dude. That's like pretty motivational and shit. [div] It's true. Goes hand in hand with the people that "just wanna get toned" or "i don't wanna get huge". People think that they will accidentally get jacked but at the same time don't think don't they can get strong or that they have "tried everything" to either lose or gain weight. It's bullshit. People just want everything handed to them while generally showing disdain for proven safe and effective measures to do so. Like hard work over time and a plan that is adhered to. That's why average is boring. That's why average is weak. That's why average is PATHETIC. That's good shit Hank |
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OP, what kind of exercises and lifts are you doing that would lead you to believe these standards are unrealistic? I mean, are you performing cable crossovers or tricep kickbacks? Some lifts are better than others. I worked construction full time for 5 years. At that time if I walked into a gym and did a max bench press it would be no where fucking near 100% of my body weight (around 200 pounds body weight). Probably more like half my body weight is all I could do. This doing a physical job all fucking day. So to say that it is "average" means that some punk asshole who sits in a fucking office all day in front of a computer can walk in and bench press 100 % of his body weight without ever lifting anything is completely ridiculous to me. I am glad to read that it is possible to be what i consider very strong by only lifting 5 or 6 hours a week. This is very encouraging. However at my present rate it is going to take me 6 fucking months just to get to what these standards consider "untrained". THis is why I think these standards are not right. |
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OP, what kind of exercises and lifts are you doing that would lead you to believe these standards are unrealistic? I mean, are you performing cable crossovers or tricep kickbacks? Some lifts are better than others. I worked construction full time for 5 years. At that time if I walked into a gym and did a max bench press it would be no where fucking near 100% of my body weight (around 200 pounds body weight). Probably more like half my body weight is all I could do. This doing a physical job all fucking day. So to say that it is "average" means that some punk asshole who sits in a fucking office all day in front of a computer can walk in and bench press 100 % of his body weight without ever lifting anything is completely ridiculous to me. I am glad to read that it is possible to be what i consider very strong by only lifting 5 or 6 hours a week. This is very encouraging. However at my present rate it is going to take me 6 fucking months just to get to what these standards consider "untrained". THis is why I think these standards are not right. Geeze dude don't be so jaded about your weak bench......get to the damn gym and fix it. |
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Don't be so hard on yourself OP. When I first started lifting, I could barely squat my bodyweight x1. Now I use that weight as a warmup.
Follow a starting strength template, it really won't take that much time out of your day. Noob gains are awesome, enjoy it while it lasts. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile |
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I am going to go against the pile on here and state that the OP is correct within the context of his question as it has evolved throughout the thread. While his original question was an occasional lifter, his point seems to have changed.
The strength standards put forth in this thread are NOT representative of the population at large. Look around. There is no way that your "average" male can bench press his body weight. No way. Placing it in the context of strength athletes is a other issue entirely, but that is not the OP's point. He is seeking a comparison against the average guy on the street. "Average guy" sits on his ass playing computer games, and probably can't do a handful of pushups. |
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Quoted: I am going to go against the pile on here and state that the OP is correct within the context of his question as it has evolved throughout the thread. While his original question was an occasional lifter, his point seems to have changed. The strength standards put forth in this thread are NOT representative of the population at large. Look around. There is no way that your "average" male can bench press his body weight. No way. Placing it in the context of strength athletes is a other issue entirely, but that is not the OP's point. He is seeking a comparison against the average guy on the street. "Average guy" sits on his ass playing computer games, and probably can't do a handful of pushups. I agree with you, but lets remember that the bench press is question was a 70% of BW bench, which I think most untrained males can hit. An untrained male is NO WAY going to be able to hit the 1.5/2/2.5 "standard" but as you stated- that wasn't the original question.
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OP, what kind of exercises and lifts are you doing that would lead you to believe these standards are unrealistic? I mean, are you performing cable crossovers or tricep kickbacks? Some lifts are better than others. I worked construction full time for 5 years. At that time if I walked into a gym and did a max bench press it would be no where fucking near 100% of my body weight (around 200 pounds body weight). Probably more like half my body weight is all I could do. This doing a physical job all fucking day. So to say that it is "average" means that some punk asshole who sits in a fucking office all day in front of a computer can walk in and bench press 100 % of his body weight without ever lifting anything is completely ridiculous to me. I am glad to read that it is possible to be what i consider very strong by only lifting 5 or 6 hours a week. This is very encouraging. However at my present rate it is going to take me 6 fucking months just to get to what these standards consider "untrained". THis is why I think these standards are not right. I've done construction work my entire adult life. I'm 43 now and 2 years into my transformation. The two have absolutely nothing to do with one another. I spent the first year involved in general fitness training with a Jillian Micheals video, yoga, and swimming to strengthen all those little parts and pieces that just living life doesn't get to. Still barely "Intermediate". You're right. It probably will take you 6 months to get to that level. So? Got something else to do? You should be more focused on doing it well and avoiding injury. Honsetly, its fun! I just love working out at this point. Should have started long ago, but what are you going to do? Move forward and get it done. |
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OP, what kind of exercises and lifts are you doing that would lead you to believe these standards are unrealistic? I mean, are you performing cable crossovers or tricep kickbacks? Some lifts are better than others. I worked construction full time for 5 years. At that time if I walked into a gym and did a max bench press it would be no where fucking near 100% of my body weight (around 200 pounds body weight). Probably more like half my body weight is all I could do. This doing a physical job all fucking day. So to say that it is "average" means that some punk asshole who sits in a fucking office all day in front of a computer can walk in and bench press 100 % of his body weight without ever lifting anything is completely ridiculous to me. I am glad to read that it is possible to be what i consider very strong by only lifting 5 or 6 hours a week. This is very encouraging. However at my present rate it is going to take me 6 fucking months just to get to what these standards consider "untrained". THis is why I think these standards are not right. Christ , quit bitching about the standards and get to the gym and set your own. If you want to be stronger there is only one way to make it happen, and it's not by correcting the standards in your favor. |
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Christ , quit bitching about the standards and get to the gym and set your own. If you want to be stronger there is only one way to make it happen, and it's not by correcting the standards in your favor. THIS......if you are tired of being weaker then an "untrained" male do something about it. Bitching that the standards are too high DO NOT get you any stronger. Get to the gym and actually do something about it. |
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I didnt insult you, just your near-sighted logic that because you aren't exposed to the average str athlete, you call things as unrealistic.[div] Again you are not reading what i wrote. I didn't ask about an average lazy "str athlete". I asked about the average regular lazy guy who works out casually 3-5 times a week. You need to buck up son...I work more than a full time job, 2 kids and a wife+ dog. I run 3 miles and then workout Monday, Wednesday, and Friday. On Tuesday and Thursday I swim 1000 meters and do sit ups, pushups and pull ups. That's 5 days.... Do it in the morning and be a man. Fuck strength standards, just do it. |
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Quoted: Untrained: Bench your body weight 10 times. 12 dead hang pull ups. Sprint a mile in under 6 minutes. Trained: Bench 1.5X bodyweight 5X 20 dead hang pull ups. Sprint a mile in under 5 minutes. Huh? There's almost no way an untrained person can do that, you're joking right?
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Untrained: marine Bench your body weight 10 times. 12 dead hang pull ups. Sprint a mile in under 6 minutes. Trained: marine Bench 1.5X bodyweight 5X 20 dead hang pull ups. Sprint a mile in under 5 minutes. Huh? There's almost no way an untrained person can do that, you're joking right? There I fixed it 
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Quoted: I'll also add that I consider myself "trained" and there's no way I can run a sub 5 min mile. Quoted: Quoted: Untrained: marine Bench your body weight 10 times. 12 dead hang pull ups. Sprint a mile in under 6 minutes. Trained: marine Bench 1.5X bodyweight 5X 20 dead hang pull ups. Sprint a mile in under 5 minutes. Huh? There's almost no way an untrained person can do that, you're joking right? There I fixed it |
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Untrained: Bench your body weight 10 times. 12 dead hang pull ups. Sprint a mile in under 6 minutes. Trained: Bench 1.5X bodyweight 5X 20 dead hang pull ups. Sprint a mile in under 5 minutes. Huh? There's almost no way an untrained person can do that, you're joking right? Untrained not obese. Any active highschool kid who spends his days skateing, surfing or bmx biking can do that without ever weight training. |