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9/2/2007 6:09:55 AM EDT
Alright folks, this is a question for the mechanics and engineers
here. I am running an 05 Busa with a Hahn Stage 1 turbo kit. I would
like to get a bit more low end torque and my budget is not huge so
swapping in another turbo kit seems out of the picture.
I have a thought (more of a guess really) that If I went with an over
bore kit the increased volume of gasses moving thru the turbine would
begin to build boost sooner. What is the opinion of the more educated
and experienced engine builders here?
9/2/2007 6:40:03 AM EDT
[#1]
You've seen pictures of my buddies bike, iirc about the same setup you have. He put a cheap adjustable boot regulator on it and is running 7-9 PSI now depending on the gas he can find. It was at 6psi before. Boost doesn't come on any quicker but he said it makes it bit better when he hits 6k RPM.

There is a guy named Dick Datsun that is somewhat of a turbo guru, he was experementing with CO2 pumped into the exhaust before the turbo, pretty much instant boost.

Personally I wouldn't bore or stroke a turbo bike without first messing with the turbo.

-JTP
9/2/2007 7:00:05 AM EDT
[#2]

Quoted:
You've seen pictures of my buddies bike, iirc about the same setup you have. He put a cheap adjustable boot regulator on it and is running 7-9 PSI now depending on the gas he can find. .

Personally I wouldn't bore or stroke a turbo bike without first messing with the turbo.

-JTP

I am running a 8 pounds now and in street tune getting 235 rw hp. I have in the past tuned it to 250 but it takes to much out of the low end and the it becoms for lack of a better word twitchy.  Since I ride this bike more often then not on my 50 mile commute to work my goal here is a daily drivable street beast.
9/2/2007 7:08:22 AM EDT
[#3]
I have a friend that races one I could get his email. They know them inside and out.
9/2/2007 7:21:17 AM EDT
[#4]
How about gearing down? (sprockets specifically)



9/2/2007 7:46:34 AM EDT
[#5]

Quoted:
How about gearing down? (sprockets specifically)




I have tried a 2 tooth drop on the primary in the past.  It then became a very "buzzy" bike without some of highway characteristics I like.  
This is to be my winter project. I also have a budget and at the moment what seems to make the most sense is to increase displacement. Ideally stroking the engine  would be best but the cost of a custom crank and rods  is prohibitive.  On the other hand a 1397cc big bore kit with J&E turbo pistons is right around $1200 (after getting your $700 core charge back for the block) add gaskets and dyno tuning  and we are at the 2k mark.
Some questions I need answers to are will the stock fuel rail feed this thing sufficiently?
Do I need to think about a different fuel pump to maintain sufficient fuel pressure
Does  my Power Commander  have the range to handle the change in displacement?
Should I think about a cam change at the same time thus further altering the power curve?
9/2/2007 7:54:54 AM EDT
[#6]
Heres a question...
Have you taken off unneccassary weight???
Lighten up the bike
9/2/2007 8:10:17 AM EDT
[#7]

Quoted:
Heres a question...
Have you taken off unneccassary weight???
Lighten up the bike

Well I lost a 130 pounds! but apart from that using carbon fiber gets pricey very quickly.
9/2/2007 8:13:00 AM EDT
[#8]

Quoted:

Quoted:
Heres a question...
Have you taken off unneccassary weight???
Lighten up the bike

Well I lost a 130 pounds! but apart from that using carbon fiber gets pricey very quickly.


Do you miss your wife?  

May I ask why you want more torque?  I haven't ridden a Busa, but it has to have crazy torque as is.


9/2/2007 10:05:32 AM EDT
[#9]
What kind of exhaust system do you have on there?  Sometimes, when it is too open, it hurts the low end (something about affecting backpressure).
9/2/2007 10:12:01 AM EDT
[#10]
You want torque?

There is no replacement for displacement.

Ditch the turbo and get a blower.

A 100% NoS system that works at 1500 rpms.



Hann's website says you can get 400 HP from a stage one kit in a Hayburner.
9/3/2007 8:40:16 AM EDT
[#11]
What do you need more low-end torque for?  Even a stock Hayabusa should be able to pull the front end up at about 115 mph in third gear with no clutch.

Did yours lose some low end through the use of a baseplate spacer as part of a non-intercooled turbo kit?
9/3/2007 9:38:47 AM EDT
[#12]

Quoted:
What do you need more low-end torque for?  Even a stock Hayabusa should be able to pull the front end up at about 115 mph in third gear with no clutch.

Did yours lose some low end through the use of a baseplate spacer as part of a non-intercooled turbo kit?

I want more torque simply because I want it.(Call me self indulgent) I am running stock pistons without any spacer. I like the idea of a "Muscle Bike"  So more torque at the low end before the 4500 mark where the boost hits. Or a means of bringing the boost on sooner.  am beggining to explore the idea  of switching from the Super 16g to the Super 20g
9/3/2007 9:43:30 AM EDT
[#13]

Quoted:
You want torque?

There is no replacement for displacement.

Ditch the turbo and get a blower.

A 100% NoS system that works at 1500 rpms.



Hann's website says you can get 400 HP from a stage one kit in a Hayburner.

I love Superchargers I ran one on a modified 13b rotary. But when I was building the Busa could not find a Blower kit for the Busa that had a decent relablity  record..
The 400 Hahn is all top end
9/3/2007 9:46:46 AM EDT
[#14]
I don't know much about Mitsubishi turbos in general, or the Hahn kit in particular.

I do know that the Ghetto guys don't complain about a lack of low-end power.  Maybe it's time to go Ghetto.
9/3/2007 9:57:14 AM EDT
[#15]
Ever thought of changing the exhaust wheel? Or the exhaust housing in general to a smaller one?
9/3/2007 10:04:50 AM EDT
[#16]

Quoted:
I don't know much about Mitsubishi turbos in general, or the Hahn kit in particular.

I do know that the Ghetto guys don't complain about a lack of low-end power.  Maybe it's time to go Ghetto.


Swapping out to entirly different kit would bust the budget for this project. But most of the stage one kits offer roughly the same power profile. The math keeps taking me back to a big bore kit
9/3/2007 1:10:46 PM EDT
[#17]
Well, I guess since a big bore kit will allow you to choose your own compression ratio, you'll be able to lower your compression to allow you to run more boost.  
9/3/2007 2:35:30 PM EDT
[#18]
what power/torque you making with that kit? 270/180?
Even going with bigger slugs your kit will only go so far

I have an MC express kit, stock motor with an intercooler. 315hp/212tq on pump gas
9/3/2007 3:33:25 PM EDT
[#19]
baddest crotch rocket out there, and he wants MORE!
I love it
9/3/2007 3:36:38 PM EDT
[#20]
Somebody has issues.

and a kick ass 'busa.

Nice!


Mark.
9/3/2007 3:38:17 PM EDT
[#21]
a turbo builds power with RPM.
if you want more low end torque you need to regear the bike to convert
higher engine revs into low end torque.