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8/17/2004 7:47:38 PM EDT
My wife and I went to see Garden State this weekend at the Magnolia, an art theater here in Dallas. It was written and directed by Zach Braff, the guy who plays the young white doctor on "Scrubs." It was a good movie, but what struck me was the look of one of the previews.

It was for a movie called Ghost in the Shell II: Innocence. It's the sequel to an anime movie based on a Japanese manga comic book. Just from the preview for the sequel and what little I've seen about the first one, it appears that the Matrix was totally derivative.

Has anyone seen the original movie, and is it worth tracking down?
8/17/2004 7:51:21 PM EDT
[#1]
The original Ghost in the Shell is a great movie - better than Akira (which was overly pretentios) IMO.


Plus, the chick is really hot - even if she is mostly mechanical.

8/17/2004 7:56:40 PM EDT
[#2]
Ghost in the Shell is a FANTASTIC flim,  WELL worth watching.

It was just on one the pay channels the other night and I caught it on Tivo.

Reviews here: www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/6304493681/qid=1092801494/sr=1-1/ref=sr_1_1/002-1213080-0149600?v=glance&s=dvd

and here: www.animefu.com/index.pl?lastnode_id=42&node_id=3181

8/17/2004 7:57:17 PM EDT
[#3]

Quoted:
Plus, the chick is really hot - even if she is mostly mechanical.


What parts did they replace and what parts are original?
8/17/2004 8:01:27 PM EDT
[#4]

Quoted:
Has anyone seen the original movie, and is it worth tracking down?



The original movie is pretty good. I feel
that it is kind of overrated and other anime
in the "what is the nature of reality" genre
do it better. However, it is certainly considered
an anime classic and is worth it just for
the very well executed animation.

There is also a 26 episode TV series that
follows upon the movie that I understand is
also very good.
8/17/2004 8:03:22 PM EDT
[#5]

Quoted:

Quoted:
Plus, the chick is really hot - even if she is mostly mechanical.


What parts did they replace and what parts are original?



Everything but her brain is cybernetic.

Sorry, dude - you'd be banging a RealDoll
that talks.



8/17/2004 8:06:31 PM EDT
[#6]

Quoted:

Quoted:
Plus, the chick is really hot - even if she is mostly mechanical.


What parts did they replace and what parts are original?





From the outside she is ALL woman... it's the insides that are cyborg.

8/17/2004 8:10:01 PM EDT
[#7]
I don't know about you guys, but anime nudity kind of freaks me out.  But Ghost in the Shell was still good movie.
8/17/2004 8:21:09 PM EDT
[#8]

Quoted:
From the outside she is ALL woman... it's the insides that are cyborg.

www.moviebadgirls.com/capimage/Ghost_In_The_Shell_03.JPG


Kinda like my wife, except my wife shoots modified iso, not Weaver.
8/17/2004 8:27:17 PM EDT
[#9]

Quoted:
I don't know about you guys, but anime nudity kind of freaks me out.  But Ghost in the Shell was still good movie.



It only freaks me out when it's with girls that look underage - which is a LOT of Japense anime, from what I understand.  "Sailor Moon" for example, is supposed to be a kid's show - but I find it incredibly disturbing.

IIRC, there was very little of that in Ghost in the Shell - mostly just in the begining.  But it didn't bug me since she's an adult - and plus, since her body is robotic, it's not as naughty, somehow.
8/17/2004 8:28:04 PM EDT
[#10]

Quoted:

Quoted:
From the outside she is ALL woman... it's the insides that are cyborg.

www.moviebadgirls.com/capimage/Ghost_In_The_Shell_03.JPG


Kinda like my wife, except my wife shoots modified iso, not Weaver.




Your wife is a cyborg, or your wife looks like that?


Either is pretty sweet!  
8/17/2004 8:28:45 PM EDT
[#11]
Damn you, I want to see Garden State, but the closest showing is about 150 miles away.

Damn high gas prices.
8/17/2004 9:14:03 PM EDT
[#12]
ghost in the shell is my favorite anime
8/17/2004 9:27:52 PM EDT
[#13]

Quoted:

There is also a 26 52 episode TV series that
follows upon the movie that I understand is
also very good.



Stand alone complex is 52 eps total stand alone complex and stand alone complex 2nd gig.  Stand alone Complex is a  what if scenerio "What if Kusangi never met puppet master" hence stand alone Complex. Season 1 is laughing man case and season 2 is the particulest 11

Its great.

I cant wait to see Innocence and also the new Appleseed movie.

edit to fix tags and clarity!
8/17/2004 9:33:33 PM EDT
[#14]

Quoted:
Stand alone complex is 52 eps total stand alone complex and stand alone complex 2nd gig.  it  a what if scenerio of "What if Kusangi never met puppet master" hence stand along Complex season 1 is laughing man case and season 2 is the particulest 11


[Jules]English, motherf*cker! Do you speak it?[/Jules]
8/17/2004 9:34:12 PM EDT
[#15]
you can get the DVD set for the TV show and find it on winamp and www.adultswim.com/ will be showing it later in the year
8/17/2004 10:22:40 PM EDT
[#17]

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The  multi-ped tanks look badass

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yeah the Tachimoko's(sp?) are great and are funny as hell in the tv series

*cought* sentinent ai*cought*
8/17/2004 11:06:22 PM EDT
[#18]
Ghost in the shell series that I have seen and all that I know exist:  please excuse my spelling i don't know Japanese as well as my wife does;

ghost in the shell the movie
gits stand alone complex tv series
gits takamo special tv series
gits 2nd gig tv series
gits innocense move = waiting for the 2nd movie too

all are great.  i have not seen all of 2nd gig but what I have seen so far is really good.  
8/18/2004 3:33:20 AM EDT
[#19]
Quoted:

I cant wait to see Innocence and also the new Appleseed movie.

quote]

Sweet!  There's gonna be a new Appleseed movie??? When?

Digital
8/18/2004 3:44:19 AM EDT
[#20]

Quoted:
Quoted:

I cant wait to see Innocence and also the new Appleseed movie.

quote]

Sweet!  There's gonna be a new Appleseed movie??? When?

Digital


should be out soon. probly wont get a major theatrecal release same with Innocence
Well hopefully the local artsy thearte will get it they did show Tamala 2010 and a handfull of other.anime movies/
8/18/2004 4:26:23 AM EDT
[#21]

Quoted:
Just from the preview for the sequel and what little I've seen about the first one, it appears that the Matrix was totally derivative.



The Matrix is a classic example of the 'Cyberpunk' genre.  Dystopian future and neural connections to the brain that allow you to 'jack in' to an Internet-like computer network, a shared virtual-reality experience, or to share the sensory experience of someone else.

Read Neuromancer by William Gibson (published in 1984).  He is credited by many with starting the genre.  And it's an excellent book.

Yes, it's all been done before, but The Matrix was a lot of people's first taste of the genre.  Maybe Johnny Mnemonic (which was based on a short story by William Gibson) or Strange Days, but neither was nearly as popular as The Matrix.
8/18/2004 4:28:14 AM EDT
[#22]

Quoted:

Quoted:

There is also a 26 52 episode TV series that
follows upon the movie that I understand is
also very good.



Stand alone complex is 52 eps total stand alone complex and stand alone complex 2nd gig.  Stand alone Complex is a  what if scenerio "What if Kusangi never met puppet master" hence stand alone Complex. Season 1 is laughing man case and season 2 is the particulest 11

Its great.



Thanks for the correction. I guess that I'll have
to rent the series(es) (checks NetFlix). I haven't
yet because the movie just didn't capture my
attention very much. The action was great, the
plot was great, but the execution left me thinking
"Meh..." at the end.

I guess that it was not F'ed up enough for my
tastes. I need my entertainment to cause a visceral
reaction for me to really enjoy it.


8/18/2004 4:54:09 AM EDT
[#23]
I think only the first dvd is out for Stand alone complex (in the states that is) so if you want to watch it all you either pul it of the net fansubbed or wait.
8/18/2004 5:03:47 AM EDT
[#24]

Quoted:
I think only the first dvd is out for Stand alone complex (in the states that is) so if you want to watch it all you either pul it of the net fansubbed or wait.



Netflix has the first two DVDs (episodes 1-8).
I love how we have to wait months between DVD
releases (2 months in the case of Last Exile).
Most american series come out in their entirety.
I mean, Firefly was not releases a disc at a time,
was it?


8/18/2004 8:49:43 AM EDT
[#25]

Quoted:

Quoted:
I think only the first dvd is out for Stand alone complex (in the states that is) so if you want to watch it all you either pul it of the net fansubbed or wait.



Netflix has the first two DVDs (episodes 1-8).
I love how we have to wait months between DVD
releases (2 months in the case of Last Exile).
Most american series come out in their entirety.
I mean, Firefly was not releases a disc at a time,
was it?





I think it has to do with production costs and translation time.  They release the first disc as they are still dubbing the next couple.  That way they can get hotter titles out faster, and people are willing to wait for the next dub, rather than getting a fansub off the net.  They have to recoup the money they spend anyway ASAP, so they can also get cash flowing in for the released ones, to pay for dubbing the next one.  Paying for the production of an entire series, even if it is just for the dubbing, is money they have to lay out.  By staging the releases, they spend alot less, which frees up capital to buy other licenses, and speed up the time a product is in front of the viewer.

While it sucks in a way to wait to find out what happens next, it's not much different than the old movie serials of old, where you had to wait till next week to see what happens next.  You could always just play one of the eps from the DVD a week.  Since each DVD has three or four eps, you wouldn't have to wait too long for the next one.

Ross
8/18/2004 8:59:45 AM EDT
[#26]
The first GITS was fantastic, but in that "the book is better" way. Even you non-Manga fans should pick up and just drool at Shirow's artwork. I've been a fan of his since I first discovered the Appleseed books that Eclipse put out in the 80s.

Can't wait for either GITS2 or the Appleseed movie to come out. The Appleseed movie looks exactly like it should-- Incredible. It's a mix of digital and "flat" conventional animation that made my eyes bug out and my jaw hit my lap when I first saw it.
8/18/2004 9:08:17 AM EDT
[#27]
Matrix based on German play.  

One Trilogy to Rule Them All
8/18/2004 9:11:40 AM EDT
[#28]
German play! WHAT?

Matrix was heavily swiped from various anime... Particularly GITS. The whole shimmering green "matrix" itself was directly ripped off from GITS. The Neo/religious symbolism was taken from Gnosticism.

Never heard of no German play though.
8/18/2004 9:23:21 AM EDT
[#29]
GITS is great. I've been hooked into it ever since I picked up a Wizard magazine YEARS ago by chance and it had a short issue of the manga in it. Shirow is easily one of the best artist/writers out there right now.