[ARCHIVED THREAD] - Glock 9mm width question (Page 1 of 2)
Posted: 8/16/2013 8:49:38 PM EDT
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in the Model 17 and model 19.
Is the width of the slide, and the width of the grip the same on Gen4's and all other 9mm models? |
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Some people think if a gun isn't made of 30lbs of walnut an steel it will blow up. I'll take chamber support for $500, Alex. That and the fact Glock made grenades... Then patented how to give them optional shooting functionality. |
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Some people think if a gun isn't made of 30lbs of walnut an steel it will blow up. I'll take chamber support for $500, Alex. so, you don't own 1911s, browning hp or and number of other handguns? Glock doesn't have the market cornered on unsupported chambers. 
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so, you don't own 1911s, browning hp or and number of other handguns? Glock doesn't have the market cornered on unsupported chambers. Quoted:
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Some people think if a gun isn't made of 30lbs of walnut an steel it will blow up. I'll take chamber support for $500, Alex. so, you don't own 1911s, browning hp or and number of other handguns? Glock doesn't have the market cornered on unsupported chambers. They're just sad that they spent thousands on antiquated pistols thinking they were elite, while our SOFs are dumping them in mass for something more practical and just as functional. Someone will bring up Nazis in this thread, I have have $20 on it. |
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so, you don't own 1911s, browning hp or and number of other handguns? Glock doesn't have the market cornered on unsupported chambers. Quoted:
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Some people think if a gun isn't made of 30lbs of walnut an steel it will blow up. I'll take chamber support for $500, Alex. so, you don't own 1911s, browning hp or and number of other handguns? Glock doesn't have the market cornered on unsupported chambers. Older .40 models had a dangerously unsupported chamber, and had a higher than normal failure rate, especially when using cheap ammo. It's been largely corrected. Also consider that there are more Glocks than any other brand of automatic handgun, so there are going to be more failures by number, if not percentage. The joke isn't without its foundations. |
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Older .40 models had a dangerously unsupported chamber, and had a higher than normal failure rate, especially when using cheap ammo. It's been largely corrected. Also consider that there are more Glocks than any other brand of automatic handgun, so there are going to be more failures by number, if not percentage. The joke isn't without its foundations. Quoted:
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Some people think if a gun isn't made of 30lbs of walnut an steel it will blow up. I'll take chamber support for $500, Alex. so, you don't own 1911s, browning hp or and number of other handguns? Glock doesn't have the market cornered on unsupported chambers. Older .40 models had a dangerously unsupported chamber, and had a higher than normal failure rate, especially when using cheap ammo. It's been largely corrected. Also consider that there are more Glocks than any other brand of automatic handgun, so there are going to be more failures by number, if not percentage. The joke isn't without its foundations. all true, but the joke is tiresome. 
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so, you don't own 1911s, browning hp or and number of other handguns? Glock doesn't have the market cornered on unsupported chambers. Quoted:
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Some people think if a gun isn't made of 30lbs of walnut an steel it will blow up. I'll take chamber support for $500, Alex. so, you don't own 1911s, browning hp or and number of other handguns? Glock doesn't have the market cornered on unsupported chambers. Lulz, Glock chambers have FAR more unsupported case area than either of the Browning guns. Older Glocks especially, with 10mm and .40S&Ws being the worst. There are some other factors at play, such as unsupported brass displacement volume, and the danger of that displacement volume exceeding the amount of deformation without separation that the case is capable of. You can have a huge "unsupported" area, with low displacement volume, and things are fine, except for short case reloading life. It's high displacement volume that is really risky. |
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Older .40 models had a dangerously unsupported chamber, and had a higher than normal failure rate, especially when using cheap ammo. It's been largely corrected. Also consider that there are more Glocks than any other brand of automatic handgun, so there are going to be more failures by number, if not percentage. The joke isn't without its foundations. Quoted:
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Some people think if a gun isn't made of 30lbs of walnut an steel it will blow up. I'll take chamber support for $500, Alex. so, you don't own 1911s, browning hp or and number of other handguns? Glock doesn't have the market cornered on unsupported chambers. Older .40 models had a dangerously unsupported chamber, and had a higher than normal failure rate, especially when using cheap ammo. It's been largely corrected. Also consider that there are more Glocks than any other brand of automatic handgun, so there are going to be more failures by number, if not percentage. The joke isn't without its foundations. So you agree that it's pretty minor and long gone, yet you still keep barfing it up at any chance? |
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So you agree that it's pretty minor and long gone, yet you still keep barfing it up at any chance? Quoted:
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Some people think if a gun isn't made of 30lbs of walnut an steel it will blow up. I'll take chamber support for $500, Alex. so, you don't own 1911s, browning hp or and number of other handguns? Glock doesn't have the market cornered on unsupported chambers. Older .40 models had a dangerously unsupported chamber, and had a higher than normal failure rate, especially when using cheap ammo. It's been largely corrected. Also consider that there are more Glocks than any other brand of automatic handgun, so there are going to be more failures by number, if not percentage. The joke isn't without its foundations. So you agree that it's pretty minor and long gone, yet you still keep barfing it up at any chance? To be honest it was a rather stupid, somewhat dangerous design flaw that should never have made it past prototype T&E. <--- Proud Glock owner. |
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Because it's a Glock... Quoted:
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Yes, but the Gen 4 has an improved blast radius. what? Grenade joke... why?  Because it's a Glock... What does Glock have to do with Grenades? because of the gen4's new pineapple grenade type texture? |
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Older .40 models had a dangerously unsupported chamber, and had a higher than normal failure rate, especially when using cheap ammo. It's been largely corrected. Also consider that there are more Glocks than any other brand of automatic handgun, so there are going to be more failures by number, if not percentage. The joke isn't without its foundations. Quoted:
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Some people think if a gun isn't made of 30lbs of walnut an steel it will blow up. I'll take chamber support for $500, Alex. so, you don't own 1911s, browning hp or and number of other handguns? Glock doesn't have the market cornered on unsupported chambers. Older .40 models had a dangerously unsupported chamber, and had a higher than normal failure rate, especially when using cheap ammo. It's been largely corrected. Also consider that there are more Glocks than any other brand of automatic handgun, so there are going to be more failures by number, if not percentage. The joke isn't without its foundations. Oh. So its like calling the M16 a jammomattic because of the early mistakes and production in the 60's? |
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What does Glock have to do with Grenades? because of the gen4's new pineapple grenade type texture? Quoted:
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Grenade joke... why? Because it's a Glock... What does Glock have to do with Grenades? because of the gen4's new pineapple grenade type texture? No, they added that so the grenade would be less slippery. Glocks have always been grenades. |
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Oh. So its like calling the M16 a jammomattic because of the early mistakes and production in the 60's? Quoted:
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Some people think if a gun isn't made of 30lbs of walnut an steel it will blow up. I'll take chamber support for $500, Alex. so, you don't own 1911s, browning hp or and number of other handguns? Glock doesn't have the market cornered on unsupported chambers. Older .40 models had a dangerously unsupported chamber, and had a higher than normal failure rate, especially when using cheap ammo. It's been largely corrected. Also consider that there are more Glocks than any other brand of automatic handgun, so there are going to be more failures by number, if not percentage. The joke isn't without its foundations. Oh. So its like calling the M16 a jammomattic because of the early mistakes and production in the 60's? Armalite/Colt never made a product called "jammomatic". Glock, indeed, made grenades. Making guns that explode tends to earn you a reputation, moreso than making self-loading firearms that sometimes don't self-load. |
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This is GD, If you want to answer questions with serious answers then go find yourself a tech forum newbie.... 
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to the OP, yes, according to their site, the dimensions are the same This is GD, If you want to answer questions with serious answers then go find yourself a tech forum newbie....
- Clint So...it could disapear into the archives, never get an answer. OR get an answer but someone misreads "Glock" for Taurus and start talking about CZ75 specs.
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What does Glock have to do with Grenades? because of the gen4's new pineapple grenade type texture? Some early .40 Glocks ruptured due to overpressure ammo and ample chamber dimensions. People that like Bubba guns and WWI relics like to throw this out as an un-argument when they have nothing substantial to say. |
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So you agree that it's pretty minor and long gone, yet you still keep barfing it up at any chance? Quoted:
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Some people think if a gun isn't made of 30lbs of walnut an steel it will blow up. I'll take chamber support for $500, Alex. so, you don't own 1911s, browning hp or and number of other handguns? Glock doesn't have the market cornered on unsupported chambers. Older .40 models had a dangerously unsupported chamber, and had a higher than normal failure rate, especially when using cheap ammo. It's been largely corrected. Also consider that there are more Glocks than any other brand of automatic handgun, so there are going to be more failures by number, if not percentage. The joke isn't without its foundations. So you agree that it's pretty minor and long gone, yet you still keep barfing it up at any chance? I was just saying that the cause is an unsupported chamber, NOT the fact that it's made of plastic instead of "30lb of walnut and steel." |
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Some early .40 Glocks ruptured due to overpressure ammo and ample chamber dimensions. People that like Bubba guns and WWI relics like to throw this out as an un-argument when they have nothing substantial to say. Quoted:
What does Glock have to do with Grenades? because of the gen4's new pineapple grenade type texture? Some early .40 Glocks ruptured due to overpressure ammo and ample chamber dimensions. People that like Bubba guns and WWI relics like to throw this out as an un-argument when they have nothing substantial to say. How long ago? |
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Some early .40 Glocks ruptured due to overpressure ammo and ample chamber dimensions. People that like Bubba guns and WWI relics like to throw this out as an un-argument when they have nothing substantial to say. Quoted:
What does Glock have to do with Grenades? because of the gen4's new pineapple grenade type texture? Some early .40 Glocks ruptured due to overpressure ammo and ample chamber dimensions. People that like Bubba guns and WWI relics like to throw this out as an un-argument when they have nothing substantial to say. That and the fact Glock actually made grenades, then decided to make firearms... Which, hilariously, also exploded. Glocks exploded due to excessive unsupported chamber displacement. This is a design flaw on par with incorporating an electric ignitor into a vehicle gas tank. The fact this problem was fixable indicates it was a fuck-up, not a "your ammo is bad and you should feel bad" problem. Walther PPQ M2 = Better in every possible way than a Glock, for the same amount of money. Better trigger. Better grip. Better mags with longer body service life. Beefier innards. Correctly built slide release. Etc, etc, etc. |
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What does Glock have to do with Grenades? because of the gen4's new pineapple grenade type texture? Some early .40 Glocks ruptured due to overpressure ammo and ample chamber dimensions. People that like Bubba guns and WWI relics like to throw this out as an un-argument when they have nothing substantial to say. How long ago? late 90s at least |
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What does Glock have to do with Grenades? because of the gen4's new pineapple grenade type texture? Some early .40 Glocks ruptured due to overpressure ammo and ample chamber dimensions. People that like Bubba guns and WWI relics like to throw this out as an un-argument when they have nothing substantial to say. How long ago? late 90s at least So....people are still knocking on something thats been corrected over a decade ago? Arfcom's worse than liberals. |
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What does Glock have to do with Grenades? because of the gen4's new pineapple grenade type texture? Some early .40 Glocks ruptured due to overpressure ammo and ample chamber dimensions. People that like Bubba guns and WWI relics like to throw this out as an un-argument when they have nothing substantial to say. How long ago? late 90s at least So... 15 years then? Have any evidence of mass failures with SAAMI ammo? Seems odd that several orgs/groups that really know their shit would choose those "grenades". Guess you guys know more than they do though, huh? |
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So....people are still knocking on something thats been corrected over a decade ago? Arfcom's worse than liberals. Quoted:
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What does Glock have to do with Grenades? because of the gen4's new pineapple grenade type texture? Some early .40 Glocks ruptured due to overpressure ammo and ample chamber dimensions. People that like Bubba guns and WWI relics like to throw this out as an un-argument when they have nothing substantial to say. How long ago? late 90s at least So....people are still knocking on something thats been corrected over a decade ago? Arfcom's worse than liberals. Ford Pinto... What comes to mind? Don't lie... You know you thought "explode/fire/boom". Making products that explode leaves a lasting impression. If jokes are the worst thing that comes of it, a company should consider itself lucky. |
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So... 15 years then? Have any evidence of mass failures with SAAMI ammo? Seems odd that several orgs/groups that really know their shit would choose those "grenades". Guess you guys know more than they do though, huh? Quoted:
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What does Glock have to do with Grenades? because of the gen4's new pineapple grenade type texture? Some early .40 Glocks ruptured due to overpressure ammo and ample chamber dimensions. People that like Bubba guns and WWI relics like to throw this out as an un-argument when they have nothing substantial to say. How long ago? late 90s at least So... 15 years then? Have any evidence of mass failures with SAAMI ammo? Seems odd that several orgs/groups that really know their shit would choose those "grenades". Guess you guys know more than they do though, huh? My home town cops are dumping Glocks because of problems with overpressure ammo that Glock assured them the guns could handle. This has been a saga that started years ago... Two different types of ammo later, and they are still having problems, so it looks like they're going to go with M&Ps instead. Glocks have a lot of nice attributes. They also have their issues. And they are, increasingly, failing to improve their products or innovate, despite obvious room for improvement. I won't be selling any of mine... They are great beaters, and handy due to common logistical support. But to blindly ignore their flaws is rather silly. Walther PPQ M2 FTW. |
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That and the fact Glock actually made grenades, then decided to make firearms... Which, hilariously, also exploded. Glocks exploded due to excessive unsupported chamber displacement. This is a design flaw on par with incorporating an electric ignitor into a vehicle gas tank. The fact this problem was fixable indicates it was a fuck-up, not a "your ammo is bad and you should feel bad" problem. Walther PPQ M2 = Better in every possible way than a Glock, for the same amount of money. Better trigger. Better grip. Better mags with longer body service life. Beefier innards. Correctly built slide release. Etc, etc, etc. Quoted:
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What does Glock have to do with Grenades? because of the gen4's new pineapple grenade type texture? Some early .40 Glocks ruptured due to overpressure ammo and ample chamber dimensions. People that like Bubba guns and WWI relics like to throw this out as an un-argument when they have nothing substantial to say. That and the fact Glock actually made grenades, then decided to make firearms... Which, hilariously, also exploded. Glocks exploded due to excessive unsupported chamber displacement. This is a design flaw on par with incorporating an electric ignitor into a vehicle gas tank. The fact this problem was fixable indicates it was a fuck-up, not a "your ammo is bad and you should feel bad" problem. Walther PPQ M2 = Better in every possible way than a Glock, for the same amount of money. Better trigger. Better grip. Better mags with longer body service life. Beefier innards. Correctly built slide release. Etc, etc, etc. You're funny. |
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What does Glock have to do with Grenades? because of the gen4's new pineapple grenade type texture? Some early .40 Glocks ruptured due to overpressure ammo and ample chamber dimensions. People that like Bubba guns and WWI relics like to throw this out as an un-argument when they have nothing substantial to say. That and the fact Glock actually made grenades, then decided to make firearms... Which, hilariously, also exploded. Glocks exploded due to excessive unsupported chamber displacement. This is a design flaw on par with incorporating an electric ignitor into a vehicle gas tank. The fact this problem was fixable indicates it was a fuck-up, not a "your ammo is bad and you should feel bad" problem. Walther PPQ M2 = Better in every possible way than a Glock, for the same amount of money. Better trigger. Better grip. Better mags with longer body service life. Beefier innards. Correctly built slide release. Etc, etc, etc. You're funny. How? Don't beat around the bush, spit it out. Platform fanboys are always good for a laugh, too. Your platform is obviously a gift from God, and you are the prophet of its perfection. 1911 fanboys, Glock fanboys... No difference. Not a shred of critical thought between them, typically because they lack the experience to appreciate the benefits of each platform. Every platform has its flaws. The shitty factory sights, lack of a true full-size variant, and retarded (shared with Glock) trigger guard shape are my complains on the PPQ M2 thus far. Overall, though, the only thing it loses compared to a Glock 19 is logistical commonality. Which, when you own Glock 19s already, is kind of unneeded... Especially with half of the Glock parts being non-interchangeable these days anyway. |
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How? Don't beat around the bush, spit it out. Platform fanboys are always good for a laugh, too. Your platform is obviously a gift from God, and you are the prophet of its perfection. 1911 fanboys, Glock fanboys... No difference. Not a shred of critical thought between them, typically because they lack the experience to appreciate the benefits of each platform. Every platform has its flaws. The shitty factory sights, lack of a true full-size variant, and retarded (shared with Glock) trigger guard shape are my complains on the PPQ M2 thus far. Overall, though, the only thing it loses compared to a Glock 19 is logistical commonality. Which, when you own Glock 19s already, is kind of unneeded... Especially with half of the Glock parts being non-interchangeable these days anyway. Quoted:
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What does Glock have to do with Grenades? because of the gen4's new pineapple grenade type texture? Some early .40 Glocks ruptured due to overpressure ammo and ample chamber dimensions. People that like Bubba guns and WWI relics like to throw this out as an un-argument when they have nothing substantial to say. That and the fact Glock actually made grenades, then decided to make firearms... Which, hilariously, also exploded. Glocks exploded due to excessive unsupported chamber displacement. This is a design flaw on par with incorporating an electric ignitor into a vehicle gas tank. The fact this problem was fixable indicates it was a fuck-up, not a "your ammo is bad and you should feel bad" problem. Walther PPQ M2 = Better in every possible way than a Glock, for the same amount of money. Better trigger. Better grip. Better mags with longer body service life. Beefier innards. Correctly built slide release. Etc, etc, etc. You're funny. How? Don't beat around the bush, spit it out. Platform fanboys are always good for a laugh, too. Your platform is obviously a gift from God, and you are the prophet of its perfection. 1911 fanboys, Glock fanboys... No difference. Not a shred of critical thought between them, typically because they lack the experience to appreciate the benefits of each platform. Every platform has its flaws. The shitty factory sights, lack of a true full-size variant, and retarded (shared with Glock) trigger guard shape are my complains on the PPQ M2 thus far. Overall, though, the only thing it loses compared to a Glock 19 is logistical commonality. Which, when you own Glock 19s already, is kind of unneeded... Especially with half of the Glock parts being non-interchangeable these days anyway. You made a much more reasonable post after I quoted you. I am "married" to Glock now because of mags and holsters, but if I lost everything in a fire I would highly consider Walther or S&W. The Glock "grenade" silliness just gets extremely fucking old. As far as I know, a group of men who are very well versed in shooting people in the face chose the G22 for their sidearm recently. I'm sure ARFCOM GD knows more that they do though? |
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| Most Glock failures were attributed to shooting non-jacketed lead projectiles which gum up the barrels very quickly. I purchased a 10MM Model 20 when they first were produced. Shortly thereafter Glock improved the receivers so I returned the entire weapon to Glock USA for a receiver upgrade. In order to keep my serial number the receiver was shipped to the Glock factory where the serial number plate was removed and attached to the new receiver during the molding process and returned to Glock USA where the weapon was reassembled. I'm sure Glock got a hint or two out of my 20 when it arrived for the upgrade because the huge backstrap was cut off and contoured with with steel bed which corrected its aim high problem. And the ejection port was beveled so it slung spent brass about 15 feet which prevented stove-pipes. If you want to know for sure what will fit and not fit give Glock USA a call or perhaps send an e-mail. |
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You made a much more reasonable post after I quoted you. I am "married" to Glock now because of mags and holsters, but if I lost everything in a fire I would highly consider Walther or S&W. The Glock "grenade" silliness just gets extremely fucking old. As far as I know, a group of men who are very well versed in shooting people in the face chose the G22 for their sidearm recently. I'm sure ARFCOM GD knows more that they do though? Good grief, it's a joke, and one Glock earned. As a whole, the Glock 22 is a perfectly reasonable sidearm these days, and has been for a while. I never claimed otherwise. As for the S&W... Ehhh... I'd advise against them overall... That trigger is fucking horrid... I shouldn't have to replace half the damn innards to have a non-craptastic trigger with an actual tactile reset... Bad enough a Glock needs a replacement "-" connector. Plus S&Ws obsession with using roll pins in places they do not belong kind of bugs me. A bunch of other small issues too... Not the worst platform out there, but one I wouldn't bother owning, which says something. It's worth noting that said unit uses Glocks with improved connectors for a crisper trigger. The PPQ has a massively better trigger out of the box, without needing to be "fixed". Also, said unit was apparently the driving force behind Gen 3 RTF 2, which were the most badass Glocks ever, of all time... Which, of course, Glock promptly discontinued. A good chuck of why I have little hope for that platform... Even when they improve it, they discontinue the improvement. |
