[ARCHIVED THREAD] - Glock Guys (Page 1 of 2)
Posted: 3/28/2012 4:43:53 PM EDT
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Thinking of taking the plunge
I'm a 1911 guy so I have questions. I have fired many types of handguns but only one Glock, a G-27 which I thought was horrible. Never experienced such bad flip before. Looking at G-19's. Gen 3 or 4? Why? This will be a dedicated CCW, currently carry a full size 1911 or P-225 in Milt Sparks rigs. Fingered one yesterday and I like. Recommendations? |
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My duty weapon is a Glock 19 and my off duty is a Glock 26. I actually switched from a Sig 226 to my Glock 19 a few years back as I preferred the Glock trigger. This is blasphemy to some...
The Glock is a tool gun. It's not pretty or glamorous, but it goes bang every time you pull the trigger in my experience. I've fired thousands of rounds from both my Glocks and have never had a single malfunction of any type, ever. I trust my life to my Glocks. Yes I'm a fanboy. |
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I say gen 3 most because I don't think the feature differences in the gen 4 justify the price premium. But if the Interchangable back straps make a difference to you then that is something to consider. I prefer the 4th gen 26 over the 3rd gen 26, just feels much better to me and it doesn't have the issues a lot of the 4th gen 17s and 19s have. ETA: I am also MUCH more accurate with the 26 than my 17 and 19. |
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The first Glock I ever shot was a G27. I got through 50 rounds and swore the damn things off for 4 years. Way too snappy and too much blast.
Fast forward 4 years, and I am about as big of a Glock fan as you can get. There is a point where you suck it up, and things just "click" and all of a sudden the genius of the Glock makes utter sense. The G19 is the way to go. If I could only have ONE gun, it would be my G19. I would prefer a 3rd gen, but the 4th gens are very appealing these days. They seem to have the kinks worked out fine. The 4th gen has a rougher texture on the grip that would make me prefer the 3rd gen gun for my deep-concelment method that I use to CCW most of the time. But honestly, either generation is an outstanding gun. |
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.40cal is dildos, not just in Glocks.
9x19 is probably the best overall caliber for Austrian combat tupperware. 10mm Auto is another strong contender if you're planning to spend a lot of time in the outdoors and don't care about factory ammo prices. The 19 seems to be the all around favorite. I don't like it because the grip is exactly the wrong length for my hand, but that's a personal thing. The 17 is, IMO, the ne plus ultra of a service sidearm. If I only had one pistol for the TEOTWAWKI, I'd take a 17. They're also very easy for me to shoot well. The 26 is an ideal carry piece. 11 rounds of 124gr+p Gold Dots in a reliable package the size of a j-frame that shoots far better than it has any right to. If CCW is your primary aim, try a 26. It wouldn't even be bad as a "one and only" gun if you were never planning to shoot a match or need something to hit beyond 50 yards (not that you can't, it just gets tricky with such a small sight radius). The G20 is a beast. 16 rounds of 10mm in a sizable package, but not nearly the recoil you'd expect. It's the only widely available auto handgun (that I know of ) that one could feasibly hunt with. I just got a G34. The longer sight radius and 3.5# trigger are really cool and the recoil is almost nil. I haven't messed with it enough to say I categorically prefer it to the 17 but I can see a bright future for this thing. I just ordered some Truglo TFOs for it. Glock triggers feel terrible to uninitiated, but shooting from the reset is fast and accurate. The only trigger I'm better with is the match trigger in my Kimber, and that's not by much. Best thing I can say is to rent one and see how you like it. I despised Glocks until I got a G20 simply because that was the only 10mm I could lay hands on. Then a month or two later my buddy lent me his G17 and I realized I shot it better than any other pistol I'd ever picked up. The rest is history. They may not be for everyone but they definitely have a lot to offer. eta: I have no interest in the Gen4 "improvements". Gen3 is what I cut my teeth on and I'll stick to that. |
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I don't see how a 1911 guy can switch to Glocks. I've been a 1911 guy my whole life.
Disclaimer: Glocks are perfectly fine weapons. The grip angle is so fucking screwy, it just pisses me off to even fire one. What the fuck is up with that? It's just wrong. Try a Ruger SR9c, or SR40c. 1911 grip angle w/modern design/construction. |
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G19 is the best "do it all" pistol. I never heard anyone complain that a glock flipped too much, but G26 is a tiny 2 finger gun. The G26 barely flips at all. I've seen a 105# girl who had never done any shooting before cut the x-ring out of a target at 20' with one. |
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G19 is the best "do it all" pistol. I never heard anyone complain that a glock flipped too much, but G26 is a tiny 2 finger gun. The G26 barely flips at all. I've seen a 105# girl who had never done any shooting before cut the x-ring out of a target at 20' with one. Yeah, the G26 and the G27 are really lightyears apart in terms of recoil and blast. The G26 is a pussycat. The divide isn't so noticeable with the 19/23 and the 17/22 |
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I have found the GLock lets me get a good combat grip going on similar to the 1911.
It also has one of the most positive trigger resets you'll find in a striker fired pistol. Admittedly, my experience is brief. I have fired the M&P and an H&K with LEM trigger. The LEM was pretty badass. For me it's LEM then GLock then M&P in terms of trigger preference. I've owned a Gen3 G19, 37, 26, and now a Gen2 G19. Still want a 26... 
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Quoted: also, a Glock 19/23 is not a compact gun. i dont know where this started, but its the same size as most other companies full size handguns It started because its Glock's compact pistol. 17 is full size, 19 is compact, 26 is sub compact. Who cares about other companies? |
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Thinking of taking the plunge I'm a 1911 guy so I have questions. I have fired many types of handguns but only one Glock, a G-27 which I thought was horrible. Never experienced such bad flip before. Looking at G-19's. Gen 3 or 4? Why? This will be a dedicated CCW, currently carry a full size 1911 or P-225 in Milt Sparks rigs. Fingered one yesterday and I like. Recommendations? Either Gen should be good to go now. Problems with the late Gen 3's and Gen 4's are reportedly worked out. Gen 4's come with (3) mags standard and eventhough a Gen 3 G19 is super easy to shoot, a Gen 4 has the double-recoil spring so it might be even tamer. Of course, there's the changeable backstraps on the Gen 4's. AIMSurplus has both Gens, and they each come with an extra mag; (3) mags for the Gen3 and (4) mags for the Gen4. Both have free shipping, also. .............and good on your for not judging Glocks as a whole, on your experience with a G27. I have shot my buddies G27 and I honestly grew to hate it. Like you said, too much flip. All for pretty much zero gain over a 9mm. (Of course, people will say things like "Get stronger, pussy". It's besides the point, really. It's just not enjoyable to shoot, so why bother, when there's better options.) |
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Quoted: I don't see how a 1911 guy can switch to Glocks. I've been a 1911 guy my whole life. Disclaimer: Glocks are perfectly fine weapons. The grip angle is so fucking screwy, it just pisses me off to even fire one. What the fuck is up with that? It's just wrong. Try a Ruger SR9c, or SR40c. 1911 grip angle w/modern design/construction. Grip angle differences between a glock and 1911 don't matter. You line up the sights right? A 1911 with a a curved mainspring housing can have a more severe angle than a glock. It doesn't matter; you line up the sights. |
| I've carried a G22 concealed for 5 years. 3.5 lb trigger, love it. For me, grip is important. For the first couple years I was convinced the gun shot low/left. Them my 70 yo retired Colombian Colonel FIL embaressed me with it. I studied modern techniques and changed my old school( I learned pistol shooting in the 70's) modified weaver to a modern grip and shoot like a champ with it now. |
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I don't see how a 1911 guy can switch to Glocks. I've been a 1911 guy my whole life. Disclaimer: Glocks are perfectly fine weapons. The grip angle is so fucking screwy, it just pisses me off to even fire one. What the fuck is up with that? It's just wrong. Try a Ruger SR9c, or SR40c. 1911 grip angle w/modern design/construction. Grip angle differences between a glock and 1911 don't matter. You line up the sights right? A 1911 with a a curved mainspring housing can have a more severe angle than a glock. It doesn't matter; you line up the sights. it does matter when you're used to shooting a 19degree angle for your entire life and then switching to a 22degree angle. Instictive muscle reflex and indexing is a hell of thing to try and over come after years and years of it. I shoot and own both a 1911 and several Glocks, it takes a lot of practice on one or the other to maintain proficiency. Of course if you're just blasting away and accepting acceptable groupings or hits, then it doesn't matter much, however some of us actually like to try and master our weapon platforms. |
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: I don't see how a 1911 guy can switch to Glocks. I've been a 1911 guy my whole life. Disclaimer: Glocks are perfectly fine weapons. The grip angle is so fucking screwy, it just pisses me off to even fire one. What the fuck is up with that? It's just wrong. Try a Ruger SR9c, or SR40c. 1911 grip angle w/modern design/construction. Grip angle differences between a glock and 1911 don't matter. You line up the sights right? A 1911 with a a curved mainspring housing can have a more severe angle than a glock. It doesn't matter; you line up the sights. it does matter when you're used to shooting a 19degree angle for your entire life and then switching to a 22degree angle. Instictive muscle reflex and indexing is a hell of thing to try and over come after years and years of it. I shoot and own both a 1911 and several Glocks, it takes a lot of practice on one or the other to maintain proficiency. Of course if you're just blasting away and accepting acceptable groupings or hits, then it doesn't matter much, however some of us actually like to try and master our weapon platforms. i'd wager that is more likely the palm swell on the Glock thats an issue than the 3 degree difference in grip angle |
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also, a Glock 19/23 is not a compact gun. i dont know where this started, but its the same size as most other companies full size handguns Isn't a 1911 the size of a G34? About an inch longer than a 19. The narrow width of the slide (and frame for that matter) is what makes the 1911 conceal well when carried IWB. 3/4" diffrence in barrel length isn't nearly as much of an issue as slide/frame width or length of the grip when carrying IWB,IMHO. |
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also, a Glock 19/23 is not a compact gun. i dont know where this started, but its the same size as most other companies full size handguns Isn't a 1911 the size of a G34? About an inch longer than a 19. The narrow width of the slide (and frame for that matter) is what makes the 1911 conceal well when carried IWB. 3/4" diffrence in barrel length isn't nearly as much of an issue as slide/frame width or length of the grip when carrying IWB,IMHO. I agree, but honestly have found that there isn't much difference in concealability between my glock 19 and my 1911. Anything that wouldn't conceal one probably won't conceal the other well either. That's what pocket carried J frames are for though. 
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Quoted: I don't see how a 1911 guy can switch to Glocks. I've been a 1911 guy my whole life. Disclaimer: Glocks are perfectly fine weapons. The grip angle is so fucking screwy, it just pisses me off to even fire one. What the fuck is up with that? It's just wrong. Try a Ruger SR9c, or SR40c. 1911 grip angle w/modern design/construction. Precisely what he said. A MkIV Series 70 was my first handgun. I'm comfortable with most of my other handguns. I bought a G19, put ~1k rounds through it, and I'm still not comfortable with it. The SR9c is much more natural for me, so that's what I use. My G19 will be going to a HTF shoot 'n swap this weekend, and I'm hoping it won't come back.
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: I don't see how a 1911 guy can switch to Glocks. I've been a 1911 guy my whole life. Disclaimer: Glocks are perfectly fine weapons. The grip angle is so fucking screwy, it just pisses me off to even fire one. What the fuck is up with that? It's just wrong. Try a Ruger SR9c, or SR40c. 1911 grip angle w/modern design/construction. Grip angle differences between a glock and 1911 don't matter. You line up the sights right? A 1911 with a a curved mainspring housing can have a more severe angle than a glock. It doesn't matter; you line up the sights. it does matter when you're used to shooting a 19degree angle for your entire life and then switching to a 22degree angle. Instictive muscle reflex and indexing is a hell of thing to try and over come after years and years of it. I shoot and own both a 1911 and several Glocks, it takes a lot of practice on one or the other to maintain proficiency. Of course if you're just blasting away and accepting acceptable groupings or hits, then it doesn't matter much, however some of us actually like to try and master our weapon platforms. i'd wager that is more likely the palm swell on the Glock thats an issue than the 3 degree difference in grip angle It is for me. |
