[ARCHIVED THREAD] - Grenade question (Page 1 of 2)
Posted: 10/23/2010 9:41:22 PM EDT
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Depends on the fuse. If I remember correctly the number is stamped on the bottom of the screw type fuse, but can it always be trusted.
You never know for sure until after it has gone off. Some were 0 and meant to be used for booby traps and such, but normal thrown grenades have a fuse time of between 4 to 10 seconds depending on country of origin and manufacture |
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IIRC a M67 fuse is 5-7 seconds. I've milked a few for a bit over a second, and I would be lying if I said my ass didn't pucker up  I'm pretty sure it's 3-5 seconds, with the emphasis on 5. We used to cook them all the time. You kinda have to if you don't want the bastard thrown back into your lap. Whatever you do, DON'T try cooking off thermite grenades. Personal experience here. 
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Guys in Vietnam used to sometimes "cook" them for a second before throwing them, in order to get a quicker blast on a short range target. That took majorly huge cajones to do that shit. We used to do that too - you don't want someone to have time to pick it up and throw it back. |
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IIRC a M67 fuse is 5-7 seconds. I've milked a few for a bit over a second, and I would be lying if I said my ass didn't pucker up I'm pretty sure it's 3-5 seconds, with the emphasis on 5. We used to cook them all the time. You kinda have to if you don't want the bastard thrown back into your lap. Whatever you do, DON'T try cooking off thermite grenades. Personal experience here. wow, i bet youre the guy who found out its a bad idea to launch a parachute flare like a star cluster too ;) personally, ive never cooked a grenade of any type. mostly i just got to throw smoke anyway... |
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IIRC a M67 fuse is 5-7 seconds. I've milked a few for a bit over a second, and I would be lying if I said my ass didn't pucker up I'm pretty sure it's 3-5 seconds, with the emphasis on 5. We used to cook them all the time. You kinda have to if you don't want the bastard thrown back into your lap. Whatever you do, DON'T try cooking off thermite grenades. Personal experience here. wow, i bet youre the guy who found out its a bad idea to launch a parachute flare like a star cluster too ;) personally, ive never cooked a grenade of any type. mostly i just got to throw smoke anyway... The use of frags has become politically unacceptable. Few get used in Afghanistan. Fewer still in Iraq. A grunt might try to play ball with the Iraqi kids using one, appears to be the prevailing opinion with the brass... Probably due to the whole "let's hand out Pork MRE's to the local kids who can't read English" incident. 
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we were still using them on a fairly regular basis in '05. And my experience with thermite came about because we didn't want to wait 4 hours for EOD to come blow up an RPG we found. Almost blew myself the fuck up.......
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IIRC a M67 fuse is 5-7 seconds. I've milked a few for a bit over a second, and I would be lying if I said my ass didn't pucker up I'm pretty sure it's 3-5 seconds, with the emphasis on 5. We used to cook them all the time. You kinda have to if you don't want the bastard thrown back into your lap. Whatever you do, DON'T try cooking off thermite grenades. Personal experience here. wow, i bet youre the guy who found out its a bad idea to launch a parachute flare like a star cluster too ;) personally, ive never cooked a grenade of any type. mostly i just got to throw smoke anyway... The use of frags has become politically unacceptable. Few get used in Afghanistan. Fewer still in Iraq. A grunt might try to play ball with the Iraqi kids using one, appears to be the prevailing opinion with the brass... Probably due to the whole "let's hand out Pork MRE's to the local kids who can't read English" incident.
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we were still using them on a fairly regular basis in '05. And my experience with thermite came about because we didn't want to wait 4 hours for EOD to come blow up an RPG we found. Almost blew myself the fuck up.......
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IIRC a M67 fuse is 5-7 seconds. I've milked a few for a bit over a second, and I would be lying if I said my ass didn't pucker up I'm pretty sure it's 3-5 seconds, with the emphasis on 5. We used to cook them all the time. You kinda have to if you don't want the bastard thrown back into your lap. Whatever you do, DON'T try cooking off thermite grenades. Personal experience here. wow, i bet youre the guy who found out its a bad idea to launch a parachute flare like a star cluster too ;) personally, ive never cooked a grenade of any type. mostly i just got to throw smoke anyway... The use of frags has become politically unacceptable. Few get used in Afghanistan. Fewer still in Iraq. A grunt might try to play ball with the Iraqi kids using one, appears to be the prevailing opinion with the brass... Probably due to the whole "let's hand out Pork MRE's to the local kids who can't read English" incident.
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we were still using them on a fairly regular basis in '05. And my experience with thermite came about because we didn't want to wait 4 hours for EOD to come blow up an RPG we found. Almost blew myself the fuck up.......
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IIRC a M67 fuse is 5-7 seconds. I've milked a few for a bit over a second, and I would be lying if I said my ass didn't pucker up I'm pretty sure it's 3-5 seconds, with the emphasis on 5. We used to cook them all the time. You kinda have to if you don't want the bastard thrown back into your lap. Whatever you do, DON'T try cooking off thermite grenades. Personal experience here. wow, i bet youre the guy who found out its a bad idea to launch a parachute flare like a star cluster too ;) personally, ive never cooked a grenade of any type. mostly i just got to throw smoke anyway... The use of frags has become politically unacceptable. Few get used in Afghanistan. Fewer still in Iraq. A grunt might try to play ball with the Iraqi kids using one, appears to be the prevailing opinion with the brass... Probably due to the whole "let's hand out Pork MRE's to the local kids who can't read English" incident.
Yeah that pretty much screams not so smart.... I have a buddy who swears in 03 when one of the guys in his unit thermited a SCUD TEL and then thought it was a good idea to thermite the SCUD itself. Bad Juju. 
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we were still using them on a fairly regular basis in '05. And my experience with thermite came about because we didn't want to wait 4 hours for EOD to come blow up an RPG we found. Almost blew myself the fuck up.......
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IIRC a M67 fuse is 5-7 seconds. I've milked a few for a bit over a second, and I would be lying if I said my ass didn't pucker up I'm pretty sure it's 3-5 seconds, with the emphasis on 5. We used to cook them all the time. You kinda have to if you don't want the bastard thrown back into your lap. Whatever you do, DON'T try cooking off thermite grenades. Personal experience here. wow, i bet youre the guy who found out its a bad idea to launch a parachute flare like a star cluster too ;) personally, ive never cooked a grenade of any type. mostly i just got to throw smoke anyway... The use of frags has become politically unacceptable. Few get used in Afghanistan. Fewer still in Iraq. A grunt might try to play ball with the Iraqi kids using one, appears to be the prevailing opinion with the brass... Probably due to the whole "let's hand out Pork MRE's to the local kids who can't read English" incident.
Yeah that pretty much screams not so smart.... If you ever had to wait 4 hours past your patrol time, straight into your next patrol, waiting for EOD on an empty stomach with no sleep, you'd be impatient too. |
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we were still using them on a fairly regular basis in '05. And my experience with thermite came about because we didn't want to wait 4 hours for EOD to come blow up an RPG we found. Almost blew myself the fuck up.......
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IIRC a M67 fuse is 5-7 seconds. I've milked a few for a bit over a second, and I would be lying if I said my ass didn't pucker up I'm pretty sure it's 3-5 seconds, with the emphasis on 5. We used to cook them all the time. You kinda have to if you don't want the bastard thrown back into your lap. Whatever you do, DON'T try cooking off thermite grenades. Personal experience here. wow, i bet youre the guy who found out its a bad idea to launch a parachute flare like a star cluster too ;) personally, ive never cooked a grenade of any type. mostly i just got to throw smoke anyway... The use of frags has become politically unacceptable. Few get used in Afghanistan. Fewer still in Iraq. A grunt might try to play ball with the Iraqi kids using one, appears to be the prevailing opinion with the brass... Probably due to the whole "let's hand out Pork MRE's to the local kids who can't read English" incident.
Yeah that pretty much screams not so smart.... If you ever had to wait 4 hours past your patrol time, straight into your next patrol, waiting for EOD on an empty stomach with no sleep, you'd be impatient too. Trying to destroy a shaped charge explosive without knowing what you are doing is a good way to make an empty stomach seem like not so big a deal. |
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we were still using them on a fairly regular basis in '05. And my experience with thermite came about because we didn't want to wait 4 hours for EOD to come blow up an RPG we found. Almost blew myself the fuck up.......
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IIRC a M67 fuse is 5-7 seconds. I've milked a few for a bit over a second, and I would be lying if I said my ass didn't pucker up I'm pretty sure it's 3-5 seconds, with the emphasis on 5. We used to cook them all the time. You kinda have to if you don't want the bastard thrown back into your lap. Whatever you do, DON'T try cooking off thermite grenades. Personal experience here. wow, i bet youre the guy who found out its a bad idea to launch a parachute flare like a star cluster too ;) personally, ive never cooked a grenade of any type. mostly i just got to throw smoke anyway... The use of frags has become politically unacceptable. Few get used in Afghanistan. Fewer still in Iraq. A grunt might try to play ball with the Iraqi kids using one, appears to be the prevailing opinion with the brass... Probably due to the whole "let's hand out Pork MRE's to the local kids who can't read English" incident.
Yeah that pretty much screams not so smart.... If you ever had to wait 4 hours past your patrol time, straight into your next patrol, waiting for EOD on an empty stomach with no sleep, you'd be impatient too. Trying to destroy a shaped charge explosive without knowing what you are doing is a good way to make an empty stomach seem like not so big a deal. Yeeeaahhhh... I think I'd put a little more thought into the process first... And to the guy with the Thermite and scud... Darwin award material. |
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Trying to destroy a shaped charge explosive without knowing what you are doing is a good way to make an empty stomach seem like not so big a deal. Seriously dude, that doesn't even make a blip on my, "Scary shit that happened to me in Iraq" meter. After a year of three a day patrols, "don't fuck with UXO" becomes less of a rule, and more of a general guideline. |
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High speed camera Grenade explosion, its cool to see the nade blow up like a balloon before exploding.
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Trying to destroy a shaped charge explosive without knowing what you are doing is a good way to make an empty stomach seem like not so big a deal. Seriously dude, that doesn't even make a blip on my, "Scary shit that happened to me in Iraq" meter. That's only because obviously nothing went horrible wrong. Personally, I think the EOD mafia uses "safety" too much as an excuse not to move training and capacity further out to the units. Rendering safe standard US and foreign weapons where no special tools are needed really need not be a "union" job. You can teach a competent Joe how to do a few things and what to look for to know it is above your skill level without making him a full-on tech capable of evaluating IEDs. Alas, it is what it is. There was a move to start training combat engineers on basic concepts, I haven't seen or read shit on it in years. |
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we were still using them on a fairly regular basis in '05. And my experience with thermite came about because we didn't want to wait 4 hours for EOD to come blow up an RPG we found. Almost blew myself the fuck up.......
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IIRC a M67 fuse is 5-7 seconds. I've milked a few for a bit over a second, and I would be lying if I said my ass didn't pucker up I'm pretty sure it's 3-5 seconds, with the emphasis on 5. We used to cook them all the time. You kinda have to if you don't want the bastard thrown back into your lap. Whatever you do, DON'T try cooking off thermite grenades. Personal experience here. wow, i bet youre the guy who found out its a bad idea to launch a parachute flare like a star cluster too ;) personally, ive never cooked a grenade of any type. mostly i just got to throw smoke anyway... The use of frags has become politically unacceptable. Few get used in Afghanistan. Fewer still in Iraq. A grunt might try to play ball with the Iraqi kids using one, appears to be the prevailing opinion with the brass... Probably due to the whole "let's hand out Pork MRE's to the local kids who can't read English" incident.
Yeah that pretty much screams not so smart.... I have a buddy who swears in 03 when one of the guys in his unit thermited a SCUD TEL and then thought it was a good idea to thermite the SCUD itself. Bad Juju. 
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we were still using them on a fairly regular basis in '05. And my experience with thermite came about because we didn't want to wait 4 hours for EOD to come blow up an RPG we found. Almost blew myself the fuck up.......
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IIRC a M67 fuse is 5-7 seconds. I've milked a few for a bit over a second, and I would be lying if I said my ass didn't pucker up I'm pretty sure it's 3-5 seconds, with the emphasis on 5. We used to cook them all the time. You kinda have to if you don't want the bastard thrown back into your lap. Whatever you do, DON'T try cooking off thermite grenades. Personal experience here. wow, i bet youre the guy who found out its a bad idea to launch a parachute flare like a star cluster too ;) personally, ive never cooked a grenade of any type. mostly i just got to throw smoke anyway... The use of frags has become politically unacceptable. Few get used in Afghanistan. Fewer still in Iraq. A grunt might try to play ball with the Iraqi kids using one, appears to be the prevailing opinion with the brass... Probably due to the whole "let's hand out Pork MRE's to the local kids who can't read English" incident.
Yeah that pretty much screams not so smart.... I have a buddy who swears in 03 when one of the guys in his unit thermited a SCUD TEL and then thought it was a good idea to thermite the SCUD itself. Bad Juju.
You don't sign up for EOD cause you can't stand loud noises. Try and tell me you don't want to watch a SCUD blow up (from a respectably safe distance anyway.)
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we were still using them on a fairly regular basis in '05. And my experience with thermite came about because we didn't want to wait 4 hours for EOD to come blow up an RPG we found. Almost blew myself the fuck up.......
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IIRC a M67 fuse is 5-7 seconds. I've milked a few for a bit over a second, and I would be lying if I said my ass didn't pucker up I'm pretty sure it's 3-5 seconds, with the emphasis on 5. We used to cook them all the time. You kinda have to if you don't want the bastard thrown back into your lap. Whatever you do, DON'T try cooking off thermite grenades. Personal experience here. wow, i bet youre the guy who found out its a bad idea to launch a parachute flare like a star cluster too ;) personally, ive never cooked a grenade of any type. mostly i just got to throw smoke anyway... The use of frags has become politically unacceptable. Few get used in Afghanistan. Fewer still in Iraq. A grunt might try to play ball with the Iraqi kids using one, appears to be the prevailing opinion with the brass... Probably due to the whole "let's hand out Pork MRE's to the local kids who can't read English" incident.
Yeah that pretty much screams not so smart.... I have a buddy who swears in 03 when one of the guys in his unit thermited a SCUD TEL and then thought it was a good idea to thermite the SCUD itself. Bad Juju.
Nothing beats the time when our CAAT Plt. Commander thought he'd be the hero of the day, and disable a stack of SA-2's. "I didn't know whether to shit or go blind" doesn't even cover it. When I got moved to an 0352 platoon, they sent me to a demo course, learned how to disable rockets (in case we ditch a javelin). Did the good Captain go to this course? No... Did he just pile C-4 all over the stack of telephone sized missiles? Yes. It was amazing none of us got killed. There were warheads detonating, motors igniting, missiles flying all directions. Of course NONE of us in the other platoons had a heads up, he just backed his guys out of their compound and blew the pile. |
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we were still using them on a fairly regular basis in '05. And my experience with thermite came about because we didn't want to wait 4 hours for EOD to come blow up an RPG we found. Almost blew myself the fuck up.......
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IIRC a M67 fuse is 5-7 seconds. I've milked a few for a bit over a second, and I would be lying if I said my ass didn't pucker up I'm pretty sure it's 3-5 seconds, with the emphasis on 5. We used to cook them all the time. You kinda have to if you don't want the bastard thrown back into your lap. Whatever you do, DON'T try cooking off thermite grenades. Personal experience here. wow, i bet youre the guy who found out its a bad idea to launch a parachute flare like a star cluster too ;) personally, ive never cooked a grenade of any type. mostly i just got to throw smoke anyway... The use of frags has become politically unacceptable. Few get used in Afghanistan. Fewer still in Iraq. A grunt might try to play ball with the Iraqi kids using one, appears to be the prevailing opinion with the brass... Probably due to the whole "let's hand out Pork MRE's to the local kids who can't read English" incident.
Yeah that pretty much screams not so smart.... I have a buddy who swears in 03 when one of the guys in his unit thermited a SCUD TEL and then thought it was a good idea to thermite the SCUD itself. Bad Juju.
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we were still using them on a fairly regular basis in '05. And my experience with thermite came about because we didn't want to wait 4 hours for EOD to come blow up an RPG we found. Almost blew myself the fuck up.......
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IIRC a M67 fuse is 5-7 seconds. I've milked a few for a bit over a second, and I would be lying if I said my ass didn't pucker up I'm pretty sure it's 3-5 seconds, with the emphasis on 5. We used to cook them all the time. You kinda have to if you don't want the bastard thrown back into your lap. Whatever you do, DON'T try cooking off thermite grenades. Personal experience here. wow, i bet youre the guy who found out its a bad idea to launch a parachute flare like a star cluster too ;) personally, ive never cooked a grenade of any type. mostly i just got to throw smoke anyway... The use of frags has become politically unacceptable. Few get used in Afghanistan. Fewer still in Iraq. A grunt might try to play ball with the Iraqi kids using one, appears to be the prevailing opinion with the brass... Probably due to the whole "let's hand out Pork MRE's to the local kids who can't read English" incident.
Yeah that pretty much screams not so smart.... I have a buddy who swears in 03 when one of the guys in his unit thermited a SCUD TEL and then thought it was a good idea to thermite the SCUD itself. Bad Juju.
Nothing beats the time when our CAAT Plt. Commander thought he'd be the hero of the day, and disable a stack of SA-2's. "I didn't know whether to shit or go blind" doesn't even cover it. When I got moved to an 0352 platoon, they sent me to a demo course, learned how to disable rockets (in case we ditch a javelin). Did the good Captain go to this course? No... Did he just pile C-4 all over the stack of telephone sized missiles? Yes. It was amazing none of us got killed. There were warheads detonating, motors igniting, missiles flying all directions. Of course NONE of us in the other platoons had a heads up, he just backed his guys out of their compound and blew the pile. This happens far more than many people want to admit. What you witnessed is kind of the reason people are specially trained for this kind of thing. |
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we were still using them on a fairly regular basis in '05. And my experience with thermite came about because we didn't want to wait 4 hours for EOD to come blow up an RPG we found. Almost blew myself the fuck up.......
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IIRC a M67 fuse is 5-7 seconds. I've milked a few for a bit over a second, and I would be lying if I said my ass didn't pucker up I'm pretty sure it's 3-5 seconds, with the emphasis on 5. We used to cook them all the time. You kinda have to if you don't want the bastard thrown back into your lap. Whatever you do, DON'T try cooking off thermite grenades. Personal experience here. wow, i bet youre the guy who found out its a bad idea to launch a parachute flare like a star cluster too ;) personally, ive never cooked a grenade of any type. mostly i just got to throw smoke anyway... The use of frags has become politically unacceptable. Few get used in Afghanistan. Fewer still in Iraq. A grunt might try to play ball with the Iraqi kids using one, appears to be the prevailing opinion with the brass... Probably due to the whole "let's hand out Pork MRE's to the local kids who can't read English" incident.
Yeah that pretty much screams not so smart.... I have a buddy who swears in 03 when one of the guys in his unit thermited a SCUD TEL and then thought it was a good idea to thermite the SCUD itself. Bad Juju.
You don't sign up for EOD cause you can't stand loud noises. Try and tell me you don't want to watch a SCUD blow up (from a respectably safe distance anyway.)
Granted.... but how fast can you run to that "respectably safe distance" once the spoon flies off??? 
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Nothing beats the time when our CAAT Plt. Commander thought he'd be the hero of the day, and disable a stack of SA-2's. "I didn't know whether to shit or go blind" doesn't even cover it. When I got moved to an 0352 platoon, they sent me to a demo course, learned how to disable rockets (in case we ditch a javelin). Did the good Captain go to this course? No... Did he just pile C-4 all over the stack of telephone sized missiles? Yes. It was amazing none of us got killed. There were warheads detonating, motors igniting, missiles flying all directions. Of course NONE of us in the other platoons had a heads up, he just backed his guys out of their compound and blew the pile. This happens far more than many people want to admit. What you witnessed is kind of the reason people are specially trained for this kind of thing. Yea, that's the bad part, My plt. was one compound over, and had been! ( I was over to blow in place arty tubes. FUN!!!!) |
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Trying to destroy a shaped charge explosive without knowing what you are doing is a good way to make an empty stomach seem like not so big a deal. Seriously dude, that doesn't even make a blip on my, "Scary shit that happened to me in Iraq" meter. That's only because obviously nothing went horrible wrong. Personally, I think the EOD mafia uses "safety" too much as an excuse not to move training and capacity further out to the units. Rendering safe standard US and foreign weapons where no special tools are needed really need not be a "union" job. You can teach a competent Joe how to do a few things and what to look for to know it is above your skill level without making him a full-on tech capable of evaluating IEDs. Alas, it is what it is. There was a move to start training combat engineers on basic concepts, I haven't seen or read shit on it in years. Gotta maintain that Tier 1 status some how... |
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Nothing beats the time when our CAAT Plt. Commander thought he'd be the hero of the day, and disable a stack of SA-2's. "I didn't know whether to shit or go blind" doesn't even cover it. When I got moved to an 0352 platoon, they sent me to a demo course, learned how to disable rockets (in case we ditch a javelin). Did the good Captain go to this course? No... Did he just pile C-4 all over the stack of telephone sized missiles? Yes. It was amazing none of us got killed. There were warheads detonating, motors igniting, missiles flying all directions. Of course NONE of us in the other platoons had a heads up, he just backed his guys out of their compound and blew the pile. This happens far more than many people want to admit. What you witnessed is kind of the reason people are specially trained for this kind of thing.
Yes, there are specific procedures for complex ordnance like SCUD's, SA-2's, etc for a reason. The SCUD is a good example, not only does it have a very large conventional HE warhead, it's propulsion system is even more dangerous as not only is it explosive but extremely poisonous/corrosive as it uses a Kerosene and FUMING NITRIC ACID for fuel/oxidizer. I remember my unit doing a classroom training session going over how we would take one of these damn things out, it was NOT a easy task especially if the rocket was in poor condition. The SA-2 again has a procedure for destruction, thankfully it uses solid rocket propellant. The problem if you don't destroy say the SA-2 according to procedure, you could start the rocket motor, sending a missile with a large frag HE warhead in God knows what direction and that missile can go many miles. God, it could kill many personal if Darwin really rears his head or even worse it lands and high orders amongst a bunch of civilians, that would be pasted across CNN in a heartbeat. I am in your camp though Bohr_Adam on the small, simple ordnance items, getting some squared away troopers to make it go away. I have been out a while, it would be nice if Comm's have gotten to the point were say the squared away trooper could possibly take a picture of ordnance he might need a question on and send it to a EOD unit/Team for a some advice or just leave it be answer. I suspect some of the issues you have are more political in nature. I remember when I became a Tech, I came from the Engineers, Good God did EOD Leadership (Officer Corp) and the Engineers hate each other, a lot of misunderstanding due to the fact neither ever trained together and each had their own fiefdoms. I personally liked training squared away troops from other units/combat arms, it gave me good support connections (scratch my back, etc), I also learned stuff how the other unit operates too, there are some very smart troops in Infantry/Cav/Eng/etc who I think can handle the simpler stuff and are smart enough to know when it is too dangerous to continue however these guys I think may need the ability to have the say they will not continue certain actions regardless of what their CO or SNCO 's say. Maybe PBEOD can chime in, he has much more experience in this arena than I as I have been out the Army for too long speak on anything in the sandboxes plus EOD has changed since I have been in especially in Ops and size of EOD units. |
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we were still using them on a fairly regular basis in '05. And my experience with thermite came about because we didn't want to wait 4 hours for EOD to come blow up an RPG we found. Almost blew myself the fuck up.......
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IIRC a M67 fuse is 5-7 seconds. I've milked a few for a bit over a second, and I would be lying if I said my ass didn't pucker up I'm pretty sure it's 3-5 seconds, with the emphasis on 5. We used to cook them all the time. You kinda have to if you don't want the bastard thrown back into your lap. Whatever you do, DON'T try cooking off thermite grenades. Personal experience here. wow, i bet youre the guy who found out its a bad idea to launch a parachute flare like a star cluster too ;) personally, ive never cooked a grenade of any type. mostly i just got to throw smoke anyway... The use of frags has become politically unacceptable. Few get used in Afghanistan. Fewer still in Iraq. A grunt might try to play ball with the Iraqi kids using one, appears to be the prevailing opinion with the brass... Probably due to the whole "let's hand out Pork MRE's to the local kids who can't read English" incident.
Yeah that pretty much screams not so smart.... I have a buddy who swears in 03 when one of the guys in his unit thermited a SCUD TEL and then thought it was a good idea to thermite the SCUD itself. Bad Juju.
Nothing beats the time when our CAAT Plt. Commander thought he'd be the hero of the day, and disable a stack of SA-2's. "I didn't know whether to shit or go blind" doesn't even cover it. When I got moved to an 0352 platoon, they sent me to a demo course, learned how to disable rockets (in case we ditch a javelin). Did the good Captain go to this course? No... Did he just pile C-4 all over the stack of telephone sized missiles? Yes. It was amazing none of us got killed. There were warheads detonating, motors igniting, missiles flying all directions. Of course NONE of us in the other platoons had a heads up, he just backed his guys out of their compound and blew the pile. I have an image in my head not unlike that scene from Dutch-you know, the one where the firecrackers in the bag all go off at the same time. Except substantially more er....invigorating.
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Damn. Thank you all for your service.
As for the pin thing, you get my point. Did not know the "handle thingy" is called a spoon. Is the grenade type and fuse (especially the 0 sec fuse) stamped or clearly marked, or different shape? Can you tell by just a quick glance? |
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Depends on the fuse. If I remember correctly the number is stamped on the bottom of the screw type fuse, but can it always be trusted. You never know for sure until after it has gone off. Some were 0 and meant to be used for booby traps and such, but normal thrown grenades have a fuse time of between 4 to 10 seconds depending on country of origin and manufacture Thanks for clarifying this. I have always wondered how booby trapped grenades worked when there would be several seconds for the victim to keep moving. |
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The fucked up thing is that there are a shitload of .mil and ex .mil guys in this thread, yet we all have slightly different ideas of when a grenade will explode. Only off by a second or so, but that's kind of a big deal!
I looked on Wiki (I know, not the best source, but still.) and found that an M-67 has a 4 - 5.5 second fuse. |
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The fucked up thing is that there are a shitload of .mil and ex .mil guys in this thread, yet we all have slightly different ideas of when a grenade will explode. Only off by a second or so, but that's kind of a big deal!
I looked on Wiki (I know, not the best source, but still.) and found that an M-67 has a 4 - 5.5 second fuse. The M67 has the same damn fuse as on the practice grenades most of us have used hundreds of times. |
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High speed camera Grenade explosion, its cool to see the nade blow up like a balloon before exploding. Click for nade blloon goodness That is awesome!!!!! try the 1 million FPS footage of bullets hitting things in the right, you'll like it. |
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Trying to destroy a shaped charge explosive without knowing what you are doing is a good way to make an empty stomach seem like not so big a deal. Seriously dude, that doesn't even make a blip on my, "Scary shit that happened to me in Iraq" meter. That's only because obviously nothing went horrible wrong. Personally, I think the EOD mafia uses "safety" too much as an excuse not to move training and capacity further out to the units. Rendering safe standard US and foreign weapons where no special tools are needed really need not be a "union" job. You can teach a competent Joe how to do a few things and what to look for to know it is above your skill level without making him a full-on tech capable of evaluating IEDs. Alas, it is what it is. There was a move to start training combat engineers on basic concepts, I haven't seen or read shit on it in years. There is specialized training for the Engineers in certain type of EOD. Specifically denied the ability to use it in-country when I was there in 2008, with the possible exception of one or two times. That and being authorized to use 'recon-by-fire' techniques when going to pull out an Cav troop that had been stuck for 48 hours after finding a string of IED's the hard way. Anything that looked like an IED got the MK-19 probe rather than checked out by the detection equipment. What was shocking is that it made sense. |
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The fucked up thing is that there are a shitload of .mil and ex .mil guys in this thread, yet we all have slightly different ideas of when a grenade will explode. Only off by a second or so, but that's kind of a big deal!
I looked on Wiki (I know, not the best source, but still.) and found that an M-67 has a 4 - 5.5 second fuse. The M67 has the same damn fuse as on the practice grenades most of us have used hundreds of times. What is the saying . . . in combat the 5 second fuze on the grenade will be 3 seconds?
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High speed camera Grenade explosion, its cool to see the nade blow up like a balloon before exploding. Click for nade blloon goodness That is awesome!!!!! try the 1 million FPS footage of bullets hitting things in the right, you'll like it. <deleted> IM Sent |
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IIRC a M67 fuse is 5-7 seconds. I've milked a few for a bit over a second, and I would be lying if I said my ass didn't pucker up I'm pretty sure it's 3-5 seconds, with the emphasis on 5. We used to cook them all the time. You kinda have to if you don't want the bastard thrown back into your lap. Whatever you do, DON'T try cooking off thermite grenades. Personal experience here. This. All of it. |