[ARCHIVED THREAD] - Gunbroker gone wrong (Page 1 of 4)
Posted: 12/12/2009 7:19:00 AM EDT
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So the seller didn't send his FFL copy to my dealer but did ship the item, ATF was contacted by my transfer dealer out of prudence and fear for his dog. Have to wait until Monday to see what happens next. Should be just a paper shuffle but what could go wrong? ETA : Handgun involved. |
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Quoted: Wow, man, maybe it's cause I just woke up, but that statement makes no sense to me. I thought only the sender needed the FFL info. Shipping Legalities Federal Law requires that all modern firearms be shipped to a holder of a valid Federal Firearms License (FFL) only. The recipient must have an FFL; however the sender is not required to have one. Any person who is legally allowed to own a firearm is legally allowed to ship it to an FFL holder for any legal purpose (including sale or resale). |
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Quoted: So the seller didn't send his FFL copy to my dealer but did ship the item, ATF was contacted by my transfer dealer out of prudence and fear for his dog. Have to wait until Monday to see what happens next. Should be just a paper shuffle but what could go wrong? ETA : Handgun involved. Sounds like your transfer guy is a fuckup. |
| My dealer requires at least a copy of a picture ID. When I buy on line and the seller doesn't have an FFL I ask them to include a copy of a picture ID. The seller can FAX a copy to you or your dealer. It's up to the dealer doing the transfer..........he can require whatever he wants to make the transfer. |
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So the seller didn't send his FFL copy to my dealer but did ship the item, ATF was contacted by my transfer dealer out of prudence and fear for his dog. Have to wait until Monday to see what happens next. Should be just a paper shuffle but what could go wrong? ETA : Handgun involved. Seller/shipper does not need to have an FFL. Who was the bitch who called ATF and whined about it? |
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Wow, man, maybe it's cause I just woke up, but that statement makes no sense to me. I thought only the sender needed the FFL info. Shipping Legalities Federal Law requires that all modernfirearms be shipped to a holder of a valid Federal Firearms License(FFL) only. The recipient must have an FFL; however the sender is notrequired to have one. Any person who is legally allowed to own afirearm is legally allowed to ship it to an FFL holder for any legalpurpose (including sale or resale). That was my understanding. State laws may very, but the Fed doesn't require it. |
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So the seller didn't send his FFL copy to my dealer but did ship the item, ATF was contacted by my transfer dealer out of prudence and fear for his dog. Wow, look at all the stupid! Way too fucking common. 
OP, find another FFL. One that isn't a moran. Moron Fixed it for you!!  
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: So the seller didn't send his FFL copy to my dealer but did ship the item, ATF was contacted by my transfer dealer out of prudence and fear for his dog. Wow, look at all the stupid! Way too fucking common. OP, find another FFL. One that isn't a moran. Moron Fixed it for you!!  |
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So the seller didn't send his FFL copy to my dealer but did ship the item, ATF was contacted by my transfer dealer out of prudence and fear for his dog. Have to wait until Monday to see what happens next. Should be just a paper shuffle but what could go wrong? ETA : Handgun involved. Sounds like your transfer guy is a fuckup. And he called the ATF.....  Your dealer is a fucking dumbass.
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So the seller didn't send his FFL copy to my dealer but did ship the item, ATF was contacted by my transfer dealer out of prudence and fear for his dog. Wow, look at all the stupid! Way too fucking common.
OP, find another FFL. One that isn't a moran. Moron Fixed it for you!!
It was correct.
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So the seller didn't send his FFL copy to my dealer but did ship the item, ATF was contacted by my transfer dealer out of prudence and fear for his dog. Have to wait until Monday to see what happens next. Should be just a paper shuffle but what could go wrong? ETA : Handgun involved. Sounds like your transfer guy is a fuckup. Unless there is state law involved your transfer guy is an idiot. Edit: spelling' |
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So the seller didn't send his FFL copy to my dealer but did ship the item, ATF was contacted by my transfer dealer out of prudence and fear for his dog. Wow, look at all the stupid! Way too fucking common.
OP, find another FFL. One that isn't a moran. Moron Fixed it for you!!
It was correct.
http://www.planetb.net/livejournal/Moran.jpg
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: So the seller didn't send his FFL copy to my dealer but did ship the item, ATF was contacted by my transfer dealer out of prudence and fear for his dog. Wow, look at all the stupid! Way too fucking common. OP, find another FFL. One that isn't a moran. Moron Moran. Fixed it for you!! Thanks, but no thanks. |
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Quoted: Quoted: feel bad for the seller that is about to get ATF'ed all over his face and chest. just over some dumb ass not knowing his job Yep...makes me think twice about selling guns using anything other than a face to face transaction.  Just one of many reasons that Rule #1 exists. Thou shalt not selleth firearms. Evar. |
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Seller sends firearm to your dealer. Your dealer has an FFL. Did you your dealer want a copy of the seller's FFL? If so, why? My dealer won't accept any firearms from non FFLs. He said the reason is if there is a problem after he recieves the gun and he can't complete the transfer to the buyer and has to return it, then he wants to have the FFL so he can easily ship the firearm back. |
Here's the real deal. This picture is taken on a special occasion, 'esulusulu' in Masai language. The day after the moran returned from hunting and killing a lion, he receives congratulations. He is here seen holding a crowned spear, his wife on his right side. Behind him is his best man, on his left is the wife of the witness facing him.
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So the seller didn't send his FFL copy to my dealer but did ship the item, ATF was contacted by my transfer dealer out of prudence and fear for his dog. Have to wait until Monday to see what happens next. Should be just a paper shuffle but what could go wrong? ETA : Handgun involved. Why the fuck would your FFL dealer call the ATF? Why not pick up the God damned phone and ask the FFL to please , pretty please with sugar on top Fax over the FFL pronto? |
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Wow, man, maybe it's cause I just woke up, but that statement makes no sense to me. I thought only the sender needed the FFL info. Shipping Legalities Federal Law requires that all modernfirearms be shipped to a holder of a valid Federal Firearms License(FFL) only. The recipient must have an FFL; however the sender is notrequired to have one. Any person who is legally allowed to own afirearm is legally allowed to ship it to an FFL holder for any legalpurpose (including sale or resale). OK if that were true (which it's not) who would the recieving FFL log the gun in from? |
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Seller sends firearm to your dealer. Your dealer has an FFL. Did you your dealer want a copy of the seller's FFL? If so, why? My dealer won't accept any firearms from non FFLs. He said the reason is if there is a problem after he recieves the gun and he can't complete the transfer to the buyer and has to return it, then he wants to have the FFL so he can easily ship the firearm back. This one will need a better legal mind, but I believe he can ship back to the seller as no transfer will have taken place. |
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I didn't see it mentioned above....but the receiving dealer does need to put any incoming firearms into his Bound Book (ATF regs). If it comes from another dealer, he will normally put in the FFL number and place that shipped it. From a private individual, the person who shipped. Most dealers I have used require SOME kind of identification (FFL, DL copy, etc.) before they will log an incoming firearm into the book.
I'd say overkill on the Dealer calling the ATF...however, if he gets a firearm that he can't log into the book (because he doesn't have the shipper/shipping dealer's info) he can get in trouble with ATF if they do an audit while it is still sitting there.. AFARR |
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Wow, man, maybe it's cause I just woke up, but that statement makes no sense to me. I thought only the sender needed the FFL info. Shipping Legalities Federal Law requires that all modernfirearms be shipped to a holder of a valid Federal Firearms License(FFL) only. The recipient must have an FFL; however the sender is notrequired to have one. Any person who is legally allowed to own afirearm is legally allowed to ship it to an FFL holder for any legalpurpose (including sale or resale). OK if that were true (which it's not) who would the recieving FFL log the gun in from? The seller. It is PERFECTLY LEGAL for a private citizen to ship a firearm to an FFL. |
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So the seller didn't send his FFL copy to my dealer but did ship the item, ATF was contacted by my transfer dealer out of prudence and fear for his dog. Have to wait until Monday to see what happens next. Should be just a paper shuffle but what could go wrong? ETA : Handgun involved. The seller has no legal obligation to send a copy of any FFL. |
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So the seller didn't send his FFL copy to my dealer but did ship the item, ATF was contacted by my transfer dealer out of prudence and fear for his dog. Have to wait until Monday to see what happens next. Should be just a paper shuffle but what could go wrong? ETA : Handgun involved. Sounds like your transfer guy is a fuckup. Amen. If your local dealer insists all transfers COME from another FFL, find another dealer. That's a ridiculous hoop, and it will add $ to the transaction. Screw that noise. |
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I didn't see it mentioned above....but the receiving dealer does need to put any incoming firearms into his Bound Book (ATF regs). If it comes from another dealer, he will normally put in the FFL number and place that shipped it. From a private individual, the person who shipped. Most dealers I have used require SOME kind of identification (FFL, DL copy, etc.) before they will log an incoming firearm into the book. I'd say overkill on the Dealer calling the ATF...however, if he gets a firearm that he can't log into the book (because he doesn't have the shipper/shipping dealer's info) he can get in trouble with ATF if they do an audit while it is still sitting there.. AFARR He should have some information from the package and the name and address or name and fax # that he sent a copy of his FFL to. |
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Only the receiving party needs the FFL. Oh really? Who does the sending FFL log the gun out to in his Federally required A&D book? He sent a copy of his FFL so the seller/shipper could know where to send it. So the receiving FFL should have some idea of who he is sending copies of his FFL to. |
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The seller only needs to fax a copy of his FFL to the other dealer. SOP Not required by any law or regulation. Both sides of this transaction need to exchange FFL's if they are both FFL's By rule and ATF regs. Dealer to dealer need FFL's exchanged. Even if transfering for customers |