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5/7/2005 12:20:36 PM EDT
Had this over on the general firearms discussion board but the GD is generally faster responding:

Local gun shop has an H&R Garand with all H&R parts for $699. Don't know the TE or MW. Is this a decent price?
5/7/2005 12:26:05 PM EDT
[#1]
sounds pretty like a decent price if the barrel gages good.
5/7/2005 12:31:31 PM EDT
[#2]

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sounds pretty like a decent price if the barrel gages good.



What would be considered good? TE and MW or less than 3?
5/7/2005 12:31:36 PM EDT
[#3]
That's a good price if the barrels OK and the wood is good.  I heard that CMP sold a lot of H&Rs from Greece and that most of them were pure parts but bad barrels and lousy stocks.  $300 each plus shipping.  The good barrel is worth a bunch, as is good wood.  Use a good bore scope and get those measurements.
5/7/2005 12:35:08 PM EDT
[#4]

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sounds pretty like a decent price if the barrel gages good.



What would be considered good? TE and MW or less than 3?



good would be TE < 3 and MW < 2, preferably 1 or less on the muzzle.
5/7/2005 12:36:08 PM EDT
[#5]

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That's a good price if the barrels OK and the wood is good.  I heard that CMP sold a lot of H&Rs from Greece and that most of them were pure parts but bad barrels and lousy stocks.  $300 each plus shipping.  The good barrel is worth a bunch, as is good wood.  Use a good bore scope and get those measurements.




The wood looks like it's seen some use. Not terrible by any means but wore. There's a number 3 painted on the bottom of the stock on the circular part of the grip. The finish is moderate, the gas cylinder is almost silver-colored though.
5/7/2005 12:40:29 PM EDT
[#6]
To me you would have more fun and get a better bang for you buck by having the CMP ship one to your door step.

YMMV

Later,

Badredfish
5/7/2005 1:15:33 PM EDT
[#7]

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To me you would have more fun and get a better bang for you buck by having the CMP ship one to your door step.

YMMV

Later,

Badredfish



True. But as far as I know they are all out of service grades. Assuming this thing gauged like a service grade it may make it a deal.
5/7/2005 1:26:12 PM EDT
[#8]

Quoted:
Had this over on the general firearms discussion board but the GD is generally faster responding:

Local gun shop has an H&R Garand with all H&R parts for $699. Don't know the TE or MW. Is this a decent price?




Have you personally verified this to see if they are telling the truth?

Remember the guy SteyrAug received the Garand for that the seller claimed was "original" or some such bullshit?

What serial number range is the H&R in? In the 4 millions or the 5 millions? How about the wood? Any cartouches? Are they correct H&R wood if it is cartouched?
5/7/2005 1:27:20 PM EDT
[#9]

Quoted:
That's a good price if the barrels OK and the wood is good.  I heard that CMP sold a lot of H&Rs from Greece and that most of them were pure parts but bad barrels and lousy stocks.  $300 each plus shipping.  The good barrel is worth a bunch, as is good wood.  Use a good bore scope and get those measurements.




For $300...not anymore.

A really beat up H&R Rack Grade is going to cost you $350 and they are not accepting offers. These rack grades will have to be rebarreled as they measure a 5 to 8. Not good!

So if you are going to order one, plan on spending a minimum of $400 plus shipping.

CMP Garands here


If that H&R is in really good shape, HAS ALL H&R parts and the barrel measures under 3, $700 is a good price for it. You might have a collectors piece there if it was a take home and wasn't used much.

My neighbor has a "unfired" (I'm pretty sure he said it was unfired) Underwood M1 Carbine from WW2 that was issued to a clerk, then brought home by another neighbor. If you find a Garand like that, you'd be looking at $1400 or more for it.
5/7/2005 1:40:09 PM EDT
[#10]
That's about $100 more than the CMP is getting for them after shipping and tax if you live in AL or OH.

Not a bad deal for a service grade rifle. Don't worry about the parts matching, sometimes you end up with more desirable parts. Like one of mine has an uncut Springfield op rod and a mostly Winchester trigger assembly. The gun is as unfired, except it looks like it was stripped and reassembled from a barrel full of pieces, most of them in unfired condition as well.
5/7/2005 2:47:04 PM EDT
[#11]

Quoted:

Quoted:
Had this over on the general firearms discussion board but the GD is generally faster responding:

Local gun shop has an H&R Garand with all H&R parts for $699. Don't know the TE or MW. Is this a decent price?




Have you personally verified this to see if they are telling the truth?

Remember the guy SteyrAug received the Garand for that the seller claimed was "original" or some such bullshit?

What serial number range is the H&R in? In the 4 millions or the 5 millions? How about the wood? Any cartouches? Are they correct H&R wood if it is cartouched?



I haven't detail stripped it but the receiver, bolt, trigger group, op-rod, and barrel, and gas cylinder were all H&R.
5/7/2005 3:44:42 PM EDT
[#12]
one of these day's......and GodDamnit! I want a CMP Garand...frickin paper chase!
5/7/2005 4:00:37 PM EDT
[#13]

Quoted:
Had this over on the general firearms discussion board but the GD is generally faster responding:

Local gun shop has an H&R Garand with all H&R parts for $699. Don't know the TE or MW. Is this a decent price?



That is not a bad price.

The rack grade ones that the CMP has usually have beater wood on them. A nice correct HRA stock set will cost you at least $150 maybe more depending on if it's an early 3/8" cartouche or more prevalent 1/2" one.

Like others have said, gauge the TE and MW. Remember the bullet test is innacute. Even if a ball round doesn't get swallowed a MW gauge might. Best bet is to get a good look at the bore. New USGI barrels ranged from TE of 0 to 2. So under 3 would be fine. Hell some TEs of 5 still shoot fine. Most post WWII didn;t get as abused as much as the earlier M1s (obvisouly) and the HRA are some of the finest scarted along with the late SAs.

Good luck!
5/7/2005 4:39:05 PM EDT
[#14]
I'll see if the guy can gauge it and give me an idea of how worn the barrel is.
5/7/2005 4:45:53 PM EDT
[#15]

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The rack grade ones that the CMP has usually have beater wood on them. A nice correct HRA stock set will cost you at least $150 maybe more depending on if it's an early 3/8" cartouche or more prevalent 1/2" one.



The wood on my CMP Rack Grade has lots of charachter marks, but I am very impressed with the fit to the gun.  It fits like a new stock; so don't judge a book by its cover.  You couldn't make me change my stock for another "better looking" stock.  
5/7/2005 4:54:04 PM EDT
[#16]

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The rack grade ones that the CMP has usually have beater wood on them. A nice correct HRA stock set will cost you at least $150 maybe more depending on if it's an early 3/8" cartouche or more prevalent 1/2" one.



The wood on my CMP Rack Grade has lots of charachter marks, but I am very impressed with the fit to the gun.  It fits like a new stock; so don't judge a book by its cover.  You couldn't make me change my stock for another "better looking" stock.  



IIRC your RG was a gem. BUT generally the RGs have less than desirable wood, the Greeks tend to have the yellow beech or whatever the funky wood is. It's a crap shoot but with the CMP you do tend to win way more than you lose.
5/7/2005 5:06:54 PM EDT
[#17]
My HRA Greek rack grade, from CMP to follow. As far as I can tell, I think the stock is original, though the HGs aren't.