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Link Posted: 2/27/2021 12:46:18 PM EST
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Link Posted: 2/27/2021 1:07:45 PM EST
[Last Edit: SteveGa] [#2]
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Originally Posted By Zhukov:

The relative fuel savings are negligible in a 3 day or so outage.
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On paper, perhaps.

A friend lives off-grid. Generator power, artesian well.

He's been running generators there, since...2005 or so. Been
through em all, 7Ks, 4Ks, diesel, gas. Wore out a Honda 2k and
3-3.5 (?). BTW, he does full overhauls on outboard motors as
a sideline. Honda's are his specialty, but he can refit any small
engine.

Last few years he'd been running a Predator 4K, whatever's in
that range. Was satisfied with it, tho remarked a small plastic
piece in carb throttle linkage had tendency to give out prematurely.

I picked up a Predator 2K, and asked if he'd looked at em.  Said he
didn't think it would carry his standard load (fridge, two freezers,
water heater with 120V elements, LED lighting, TV).  I offered
to let him 'test drive' the Predator 2K, and eventually he accepted.

The 2K handled his daily load, and he purchased one.

After several months I asked how he liked it.  He said it
cut his daily fuel consumption by half.
 He gave me the
actual figures, from X gallons per day to X/2 gallons, but I don't
recall--just the 2K inverter halved what the 4K 3600RPM noise
maker used. And, hella quieter, too.  He's out in the woods, and
you actually have to stop talking and listen, to hear it.  It's
a tangible benefit, along with fuel economy.

Inverters are the first significant improvement over the 1950's
(older?) 3600 RPM genny design.  Sure, it costs more up front.
The older design sucks fuel. Take yer pick.

Edit: Before I picked up my first HF 2K, I picked his brain about
what I should buy. His first words were "get the smallest
generator that will handle the load"--that bigger generators
are thirstier to run. Nowadays, he says "you can run a lot
on a 2K".
Link Posted: 2/27/2021 2:03:28 PM EST
[Last Edit: alphabavo] [#3]
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Originally Posted By SteveGa:


On paper, perhaps.

A friend lives off-grid. Generator power, artesian well.

He's been running generators there, since...2005 or so. Been
through em all, 7Ks, 4Ks, diesel, gas. Wore out a Honda 2k and
3-3.5 (?). BTW, he does full overhauls on outboard motors as
a sideline. Honda's are his specialty, but he can refit any small
engine.

Last few years he'd been running a Predator 4K, whatever's in
that range. Was satisfied with it, tho remarked a small plastic
piece in carb throttle linkage had tendency to give out prematurely.

I picked up a Predator 2K, and asked if he'd looked at em.  Said he
didn't think it would carry his standard load (fridge, two freezers,
water heater with 120V elements, LED lighting, TV).  I offered
to let him 'test drive' the Predator 2K, and eventually he accepted.

The 2K handled his daily load, and he purchased one.

After several months I asked how he liked it.  He said it
cut his daily fuel consumption by half.
 He gave me the
actual figures, from X gallons per day to X/2 gallons, but I don't
recall--just the 2K inverter halved what the 4K 3600RPM noise
maker used. And, hella quieter, too.  He's out in the woods, and
you actually have to stop talking and listen, to hear it.  It's
a tangible benefit, along with fuel economy.

Inverters are the first significant improvement over the 1950's
(older?) 3600 RPM genny design.  Sure, it costs more up front.
The older design sucks fuel. Take yer pick.

Edit: Before I picked up my first HF 2K, I picked his brain about
what I should buy. His first words were "get the smallest
generator that will handle the load"--that bigger generators
are thirstier to run. Nowadays, he says "you can run a lot
on a 2K".
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Originally Posted By SteveGa:
Originally Posted By Zhukov:

The relative fuel savings are negligible in a 3 day or so outage.


On paper, perhaps.

A friend lives off-grid. Generator power, artesian well.

He's been running generators there, since...2005 or so. Been
through em all, 7Ks, 4Ks, diesel, gas. Wore out a Honda 2k and
3-3.5 (?). BTW, he does full overhauls on outboard motors as
a sideline. Honda's are his specialty, but he can refit any small
engine.

Last few years he'd been running a Predator 4K, whatever's in
that range. Was satisfied with it, tho remarked a small plastic
piece in carb throttle linkage had tendency to give out prematurely.

I picked up a Predator 2K, and asked if he'd looked at em.  Said he
didn't think it would carry his standard load (fridge, two freezers,
water heater with 120V elements, LED lighting, TV).  I offered
to let him 'test drive' the Predator 2K, and eventually he accepted.

The 2K handled his daily load, and he purchased one.

After several months I asked how he liked it.  He said it
cut his daily fuel consumption by half.
 He gave me the
actual figures, from X gallons per day to X/2 gallons, but I don't
recall--just the 2K inverter halved what the 4K 3600RPM noise
maker used. And, hella quieter, too.  He's out in the woods, and
you actually have to stop talking and listen, to hear it.  It's
a tangible benefit, along with fuel economy.

Inverters are the first significant improvement over the 1950's
(older?) 3600 RPM genny design.  Sure, it costs more up front.
The older design sucks fuel. Take yer pick.

Edit: Before I picked up my first HF 2K, I picked his brain about
what I should buy. His first words were "get the smallest
generator that will handle the load"--that bigger generators
are thirstier to run. Nowadays, he says "you can run a lot
on a 2K".



My real world usage pretty much confirms this. I have 4 units of different types (both standard and inverter) that I use personally and I managed/maintained a rental fleet of dozens of units as rentals.
Link Posted: 2/27/2021 2:35:48 PM EST
[Last Edit: Desert_AIP] [#4]
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Interest intensifies.

I'd replace the RV outlet with a twist-lok, but other than that, looks VERY interesting.
Link Posted: 2/27/2021 2:38:08 PM EST
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Originally Posted By Zhukov:

The relative fuel savings are negligible in a 3 day or so outage.
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Just had a poster list a 12 day outage.

ar-jedi had a similar outage during Sandy.
Link Posted: 2/27/2021 2:53:28 PM EST
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Interesting.
The top gasoline only unit is recoil start only.
The dual fuel is recoil/electric start.
Link Posted: 2/27/2021 2:58:25 PM EST
[#7]
Predator 2000 VS Champion 2000 watt inverter generator

Predator 2000 VS Champion 2000 inverter generator best generator??

Link Posted: 2/27/2021 4:53:12 PM EST
[Last Edit: KELBEAST] [#8]
Just put this danger noodle together for my Predator 3500 inverter. Yes I’ll make sure I disconnect the main and kill all 240v breakers in the panel before plugging it in to the dryer outlet



Link Posted: 2/27/2021 5:22:08 PM EST
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Link Posted: 2/27/2021 5:59:07 PM EST
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Originally Posted By KELBEAST:
Just put this danger noodle together for my Predator 3500 inverter. Yes I'll make sure I disconnect the main and kill all 240v breakers in the panel before plugging it in to the dryer outlet

https://i.ibb.co/BL7VPN1/3-AC3-A521-61-B8-4136-A74-A-A7-F4-F05-D0-F8-D.jpg
https://i.ibb.co/jf1KsbL/F42-C0172-BBC8-4-FDC-B565-CF3-AAF6102-E9.jpg
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Dibs on ammo
Link Posted: 2/27/2021 6:04:26 PM EST
[#11]
Anyone have the open frame inverter made by Wen? It's a 3500/4000 unit. Looks nice for the price.
Link Posted: 2/28/2021 5:43:58 PM EST
[Last Edit: M4Madness] [#12]
Well, I got my free Craftsman 7500-watt generator freshened up. I had $30 in Speed Perks at Advance Auto, so I was able to get oil, oil filter, spark plugs, carb cleaner, and fogging oil. I then took the $37 I had in credit card cash back for this past month and bought a new battery and a gallon of ethanol-free gas. That keeps me still firmly in the free category.

The initial start-up wasn't pretty, with it running rough and surging:

https://youtu.be/JpOAPAnAflU

I pulled the carb today, disassembled it, and scrubbed and sprayed the hell out of it with carb cleaner. Now the thing purrs like a loud kitten.

https://youtu.be/NfEvdwyGIpU
Link Posted: 2/28/2021 6:16:06 PM EST
[Last Edit: Armed_Philosopher] [#13]
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Originally Posted By TheLASwamp:
Anyone have the open frame inverter made by Wen? It's a 3500/4000 unit. Looks nice for the price.
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Yup, I do. It’s a back up for the house. Runs great.Attachment Attached File


I also have one of their closed super quiet inverters for the camper.
Link Posted: 2/28/2021 6:49:12 PM EST
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Originally Posted By M4Madness:
Well, I got my free Craftsman 7500-watt generator freshened up. I had $30 in Speed Perks at Advance Auto, so I was able to get oil, oil filter, spark plugs, carb cleaner, and fogging oil. I then took the $37 I had in credit card cash back for this past month and bought a new battery and a gallon of ethanol-free gas. That keeps me still firmly in the free category.

The initial start-up wasn't pretty, with it running rough and surging:

https://youtu.be/JpOAPAnAflU

I pulled the carb today, disassembled it, and scrubbed and sprayed the hell out of it with carb cleaner. Now the thing purrs like a loud kitten.

https://youtu.be/NfEvdwyGIpU
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Very nice. Good for you.
Link Posted: 2/28/2021 8:00:29 PM EST
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Originally Posted By Armed_Philosopher:


Yup, I do. It’s a back up for the house. Runs great.https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/136803/image_jpg-1845771.JPG

I also have one of their closed super quiet inverters for the camper.
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That's the one! If you don't mind saying, how much did you pay and how long have you had it? We live in Hurricane Alley here and can potentially lose power for days at time if we get hit. I have two regular frame generators that work well, but neither are inverters. I wanted an inverter for electronics and other sensitive items. You'd recommend it?
Link Posted: 2/28/2021 11:31:00 PM EST
[#16]
Picked up a ryobi ryi2200a. Older non Bluetooth model for $200 bucks to put in our moto trailer, so I don't have to lug the big predator inverter around from the camper.

Going to give it a tune up, any one have a recommendation for a quality spark plug replacement.

Link Posted: 3/1/2021 12:28:55 AM EST
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Originally Posted By TheLASwamp:


That's the one! If you don't mind saying, how much did you pay and how long have you had it? We live in Hurricane Alley here and can potentially lose power for days at time if we get hit. I have two regular frame generators that work well, but neither are inverters. I wanted an inverter for electronics and other sensitive items. You'd recommend it?
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Truthfully I just bought it a few weeks ago. I’m still in the break in process. I’ve run it for the hours so far with two oil changes. My second hour was this afternoon. It starts right away and runs smoothly. I haven’t put a load on it yet. I think it was $350ish. Wen doesn’t charge tax or shipping so what you see is what you pay. So far, so good.
Link Posted: 3/1/2021 7:26:20 AM EST
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Originally Posted By Armed_Philosopher:


Truthfully I just bought it a few weeks ago. I’m still in the break in process. I’ve run it for the hours so far with two oil changes. My second hour was this afternoon. It starts right away and runs smoothly. I haven’t put a load on it yet. I think it was $350ish. Wen doesn’t charge tax or shipping so what you see is what you pay. So far, so good.
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That model is on sale for $394 now on the Wen website. That's about $30 cheaper than on Amazon and at the bog box stores. But no tax and free shipping is nice. Tax would add another $35 to the total. I'll probably pick one up.  
Link Posted: 3/1/2021 4:13:48 PM EST
[Last Edit: jestertoo] [#19]
Are the inverter generator gas caps generally interchangable? I have this generator but can only find the one gas cap on ebay for $35. Lots of Honda for 12-15.

I want to make something like this setup https://www.ebay.com/itm/GENERAC-GP3000i-INVERTER-GENERATOR-6-GALLON-EXTENDED-RUN-FUEL-SYSTEM-USA-/114235212416
Link Posted: 3/1/2021 5:31:54 PM EST
[Last Edit: HK94dude] [#20]
Looking for a generator for the fridge and small chest freezer. 547 watts on the fridge and 138 on the chest freezer. Not sure how I would calculate start up wattage, but I'm leaning toward the Champion 2500 watt dual fuel generator. Good for my intended purpose or should I look for something else?
Link Posted: 3/1/2021 6:29:39 PM EST
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Originally Posted By HK94dude:
Looking for a generator for the fridge and small chest freezer. 547 watts on the fridge and 138 on the chest freezer. Not sure how I would calculate start up wattage, but I'm leaning toward the Champion 2500 watt dual fuel generator. Good for my intended purpose or should I look for something else?
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That should be more than sufficient.
Link Posted: 3/2/2021 12:21:53 AM EST
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Originally Posted By HK94dude:
Looking for a generator for the fridge and small chest freezer. 547 watts on the fridge and 138 on the chest freezer. Not sure how I would calculate start up wattage, but I'm leaning toward the Champion 2500 watt dual fuel generator. Good for my intended purpose or should I look for something else?
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547W for the fridge!  

How old is it?
Link Posted: 3/2/2021 12:26:05 AM EST
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Originally Posted By Desert_AIP:

547W for the fridge!  

How old is it?
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That's probably the manufacturer's worst-case estimate - which includes both doors open so that every light bulb is on, the defrost heaters are on, the ice and water dispensers are running, etc.
Link Posted: 3/2/2021 12:48:04 AM EST
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Originally Posted By Skibane:



That's probably the manufacturer's worst-case estimate - which includes both doors open so that every light bulb is on, the defrost heaters are on, the ice and water dispensers are running, etc.
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Yeah.  Mine is like 147 running watts with the doors closed, instrumented with a kill-a-watt.  It has LED lights, so not much more.
Link Posted: 3/2/2021 1:34:55 AM EST
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Originally Posted By Desert_AIP:

547W for the fridge!  

How old is it?
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Originally Posted By Desert_AIP:
Originally Posted By HK94dude:
Looking for a generator for the fridge and small chest freezer. 547 watts on the fridge and 138 on the chest freezer. Not sure how I would calculate start up wattage, but I'm leaning toward the Champion 2500 watt dual fuel generator. Good for my intended purpose or should I look for something else?

547W for the fridge!  

How old is it?
2001
Link Posted: 3/2/2021 2:49:06 AM EST
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2001
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Sub Z 65 cuft model?

Link Posted: 3/2/2021 5:06:20 AM EST
[#27]
Simple way of setting your new engine hour meter to match the number of hours on your genset:



Leave it plugged in until the hours displayed matches the hours on your generator.
Link Posted: 3/2/2021 10:42:45 AM EST
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Sub Z 65 cuft model?

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Originally Posted By Desert_AIP:
Originally Posted By HK94dude:
2001

Sub Z 65 cuft model?

The bodies aren't going to freeze them self


Link Posted: 3/2/2021 10:53:15 AM EST
[#29]
Anyone done a extended run kit for HF 2000W inverter? Would be nice to extend the run time if needed.
Link Posted: 3/2/2021 11:19:15 AM EST
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Originally Posted By zoe17:
Anyone done a extended run kit for HF 2000W inverter? Would be nice to extend the run time if needed.
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There's one in this thread, way back.
You have to have the aux tank higher than the generator because it doesn't have a fuel pump.
Link Posted: 3/2/2021 1:41:18 PM EST
[#31]
Champion 4500w Inverter


$784.46 on Amazon

4500w starting/3500 Running

Manual Start

3 Year Warranty


Link Posted: 3/2/2021 1:48:18 PM EST
[#32]
Lol my max spike voltage for my fridge is 900W

That's with all doors open, compressor running, lights on, everything

Normal running is around 120-160w
Link Posted: 3/2/2021 2:51:15 PM EST
[#33]
Costco is running a sale on their Firman 2000w inverter starting middle of next week.  Debating whether I should try to parallel it with my Predator 2000w, or buy two of the Firmans and try to sell my Predator.  Anybody with experience running the Firman and Predator together?
Link Posted: 3/2/2021 10:43:40 PM EST
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Anyone done a extended run kit for HF 2000W inverter? Would be nice to extend the run time if needed.
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Not cheap for the whole package, but they also have parts if you want to put together your own setup.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/122559879457
Link Posted: 3/3/2021 11:25:55 AM EST
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Originally Posted By grondike:

Not cheap for the whole package, but they also have parts if you want to put together your own setup.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/122559879457
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I was asking about exactly this for my GP3000i the other day and got no responses. $190 turnkey solution.. can be adapted to other gennys too.
Link Posted: 3/3/2021 12:37:14 PM EST
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Originally Posted By jestertoo:


I was asking about exactly this for my GP3000i the other day and got no responses. $190 turnkey solution.. can be adapted to other gennys too.
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Originally Posted By jestertoo:
Originally Posted By grondike:

Not cheap for the whole package, but they also have parts if you want to put together your own setup.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/122559879457


I was asking about exactly this for my GP3000i the other day and got no responses. $190 turnkey solution.. can be adapted to other gennys too.

$210 with shipping.

I built mine from boat tanks and some fittings from the local Wal Mart.
The only special order part was the aluminum fuel cap.

I can run them in parallel from a single tank, or independently.
One tank is 6 gallons, the other is 3 gallons.

Attachment Attached File

Attachment Attached File
Link Posted: 3/3/2021 2:31:09 PM EST
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Looks nice, wonder what it's going to run?
Link Posted: 3/3/2021 4:39:44 PM EST
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I always laugh when I see resi electricians phase marking one leg of a single phase service.
Link Posted: 3/3/2021 4:48:09 PM EST
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I always laugh when I see resi electricians phase marking one leg of a single phase service.
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What do you mean? What did I miss. That has a black and red hots + neutral and ground.
Link Posted: 3/3/2021 5:39:39 PM EST
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Originally Posted By jestertoo:



What do you mean? What did I miss. That has a black and red hots + neutral and ground.
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I guess I should have said marking one of the two hot legs.

No need to mark one red, or mark it at all.
Link Posted: 3/3/2021 6:00:38 PM EST
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Link Posted: 3/3/2021 6:34:33 PM EST
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Originally Posted By Zhukov:

I thought that was part of the NEC? Wouldn't you want the two phases to be identifiable?
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Not that I'm aware of with single phase, unless maybe there are other higher voltages present on the premises.

It's not like motors will spin in a different direction if the two lines are crossed like with 3-phase.

The only time I could see to do it on a house would be to identify the wires if you pulled a parralel set of wires.

Mark the neutral and ground.
Link Posted: 3/3/2021 7:30:33 PM EST
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Originally Posted By swampvol:


Not that I'm aware of with single phase, unless maybe there are other higher voltages present on the premises.

It's not like motors will spin in a different direction if the two lines are crossed like with 3-phase.

The only time I could see to do it on a house would be to identify the wires if you pulled a parralel set of wires.

Mark the neutral and ground.
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How do you know if there is 0V or 240V between two identical black wires without a meter?
Link Posted: 3/3/2021 7:51:35 PM EST
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Champion 4500w Inverter


$784.46 on Amazon

4500w starting/3500 Running

Manual Start

3 Year Warranty


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This is the one I just picked up.
Only have about 2 hrs on it so far, still going through break in.
So far it seems smooth and quiet.
Link Posted: 3/3/2021 8:40:11 PM EST
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How do you know if there is 0V or 240V between two identical black wires without a meter?
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Not real sure what you're asking, but if rhetorical, then we are talking a single phase service not some MWBC in a j-box in an attic.

And to be honest, If you don't have a meter or not certain what to do with the 2 unidentified blacks in single phase main, then you probably have no business being inside the service equipment.


ETA: Not meaning to shit on your post, Zhukov. What you did with the generator outlet looks good. I was merely commenting on the red tape on the service wire.
Link Posted: 3/3/2021 11:23:58 PM EST
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Originally Posted By swampvol:


Not real sure what you're asking, but if rhetorical, then we are talking a single phase service not some MWBC in a j-box in an attic.

And to be honest, If you don't have a meter or not certain what to do with the 2 unidentified blacks in single phase main, then you probably have no business being inside the service equipment.


ETA: Not meaning to shit on your post, Zhukov. What you did with the generator outlet looks good. I was merely commenting on the red tape on the service wire.
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My point was simply that with L1 and L2 differentiated by color, one can readily determine a 120V from a 240V circuit visually.
It doesn't cost anything to wrap a small piece of tape, and does have some utility.
May not be"required", but nothing to LOL over.
Link Posted: 3/3/2021 11:47:47 PM EST
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Originally Posted By Desert_AIP:

My point was simply that with L1 and L2 differentiated by color, one can readily determine a 120V from a 240V circuit visually.
It doesn't cost anything to wrap a small piece of tape, and does have some utility.
May not be"required", but nothing to LOL over.
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Again, if that really helps someone "readily determine" 120v from 240v in a single phase main, then they're not qualified to be in there in the first place.



Link Posted: 3/4/2021 10:22:45 AM EST
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Some details on the generator plug?  Is that an LED on the cover, it looks like it's glowing green in the picture.
Link Posted: 3/4/2021 10:54:18 AM EST
[#50]
Anyone have a link to an extended run gas cap for one of the older Champion 2000/1600 watt inverters ? The cube looking models. I thought I found one on Amazon. And it even listed champion inverters as a brand they will fit. But someone in the reviews said No it will not fit their champion.  Thanks.
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