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Posted: 2/22/2021 4:25:19 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Is it air/oil cooled? I can't tell from the pics. Water cooled. Probably just the heads. |
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Posted: 2/22/2021 4:26:13 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Does the HD have ride modes or traction control? Seems it wouldn’t be as advanced as BMW’s or KTM’s. Yes. Why wouldn't it be as advanced? Its not like any of the bike manufacturers are designing that stuff. It is bought from companies like Bosch. |
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Posted: 2/22/2021 4:31:32 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I want to like it. Curious how it will be received the other side of the Atlantic, where some amazing ADV riding goes on. I'm thinking there's going to be a lot of marketing by Harley directed at the Europeans. That said, I'll swing a leg over one and check it out when they show up at dealers. It isn't a bad looking bike and a lot of the features sound very interesting, like the lean angle adjusted lighting. |
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Posted: 2/22/2021 4:37:39 PM EST
[#4]
Dang it's ugly! It looks like a super moto, sports bike and Hardley had a 3 way and it's the love child.
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Posted: 2/22/2021 4:39:04 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I'm thinking there's going to be a lot of marketing by Harley directed at the Europeans. That said, I'll swing a leg over one and check it out when they show up at dealers. It isn't a bad looking bike and a lot of the features sound very interesting, like the lean angle adjusted lighting. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I want to like it. Curious how it will be received the other side of the Atlantic, where some amazing ADV riding goes on. I'm thinking there's going to be a lot of marketing by Harley directed at the Europeans. That said, I'll swing a leg over one and check it out when they show up at dealers. It isn't a bad looking bike and a lot of the features sound very interesting, like the lean angle adjusted lighting. I wonder if the latter bit there explains the unusual design. That's really the most distinctive feature to me about this bike - those headlights. It's an odd choice, and I'd like to read the thoughts of the designers behind them. If it is mostly function-focused, kudos to them. |
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Posted: 2/22/2021 4:40:29 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted:Does the V-strom have active suspension, 145hp, a tft screen, or any of the other doo-dads these bikes have?.... No but the KTM 1290 does. You know which numbers are KTM... 158 vs 150 Horse power 102 vs 94 Torque 485 vs 527 Dry weight |
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Posted: 2/22/2021 4:43:41 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: No but the KTM 1290 does. You know witch numbers are KTM... 158 vs 150 Horse power 102 vs 94 Torque 485 vs 527 Dry weight Yea, that’s my point. The features are in the same realm for comparison. Electronics, active suspension, and etc. Also the 1290 super adventure is right at 600 pounds wet that 527 for the Harley is wet with some accessories. |
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Posted: 2/22/2021 4:50:59 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Does the HD have ride modes or traction control? Seems it wouldn’t be as advanced as BMW’s or KTM’s. Ride modes are relatively easy with electronic throttles. The page on HD shows they have multiple suspension handling modes and it would be very little effort at that point to add in different throttle maps. KTM and BMW just buy all of their traction control sensors from Bosch and put their own flavor on it. I believe HD was toying with similar setups, and their marketing materials talk about implementing some sort of traction computer. |
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Posted: 2/22/2021 4:52:43 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Yea, that’s my point. The features are in the same realm for comparison. Electronics, active suspension, and etc. Also the 1290 super adventure is right at 600 pounds wet that 527 for the Harley is wet with some accessories. Are you sure on that 600lbs? I thought it was closer to 530 wet. I remember that being one of the reasons why I considered buying one in 2019 because it weighed the same as my F800GSA but had twice the horsepower. And yes, between KTM dealers being their usual self and a bit of a self realization that twice the horsepower wouldn't make the bike any lighter when it gets dropped on my ankle in the middle of a ditch I ended up passing on the deal and turning what I was looking for in bikes in a completely different direction. |
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Posted: 2/22/2021 4:52:51 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Water cooled Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Is it air/oil cooled? I can't tell from the pics. Water cooled |
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Posted: 2/22/2021 4:54:59 PM EST
[#11]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Yea, that's my point. The features are in the same realm for comparison. Electronics, active suspension, and etc. Also the 1290 super adventure is right at 600 pounds wet that 527 for the Harley is wet with some accessories. WEIGHT, AS SHIPPED 527 lb. WEIGHT, IN RUNNING ORDER 559 lb. Call me skeptical on those numbers. |
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Posted: 2/22/2021 4:56:32 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: This is also the new sportster engine if I remember correctly... Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Is it air/oil cooled? I can't tell from the pics. Water cooled I had to look it up But that’s what I read. 598. |
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Posted: 2/22/2021 4:59:07 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Yea, that’s my point. The features are in the same realm for comparison. Electronics, active suspension, and etc. Also the 1290 super adventure is right at 600 pounds wet that 527 for the Harley is wet with some accessories. Oops, my mistake. Factory claimed dry weights: 474 and 527. That's 50 pounds man. |
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Posted: 2/22/2021 5:00:26 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: $20,000?!  Kinda what I expected. A DL1000 is a better bang for the buck. |
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Posted: 2/22/2021 5:00:54 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: WEIGHT, AS SHIPPED 527 lb. WEIGHT, IN RUNNING ORDER 559 lb. Call me skeptical on those numbers. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Yea, that's my point. The features are in the same realm for comparison. Electronics, active suspension, and etc. Also the 1290 super adventure is right at 600 pounds wet that 527 for the Harley is wet with some accessories. WEIGHT, AS SHIPPED 527 lb. WEIGHT, IN RUNNING ORDER 559 lb. Call me skeptical on those numbers. You are right. 560. |
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Posted: 2/22/2021 5:01:45 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Oops, my mistake. Factory claimed dry weights: 474 and 527. That's 50 pounds man. Yea and then the running weight puts the Harley 40 pounds lighter. Go figure. |
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Posted: 2/22/2021 5:02:53 PM EST
[#17]
Quote HistoryQuoted: What did you expect? Everything it's competing against is that price or higher. Even BMWs mid-class bike can hit $20k these days, their 1250 regularly lists for 24-25k. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: $20,000?! What did you expect? Everything it's competing against is that price or higher. Even BMWs mid-class bike can hit $20k these days, their 1250 regularly lists for 24-25k. I think Urals are even up in that range, lol |
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Posted: 2/22/2021 5:09:54 PM EST
[#18]
 Attached FileGoddammit. I'm as patriotic as the next guy - maybe more- and when I heard about the PanAm I was excited. I love the idea of a domestic worlds-class ADV. And then they revealed the prototype and I threw up in my mouth a little bit. Every review and article was excited about everything except the looks. That front end. The fucking "Dirt Glide". Harley Davidson was and is too arrogant to go back and restyle at least the front end that every person took a shit on. My BMW GSA is the best motorcycle I've ever owned. If the Dirt Glide performed almost as well as the BMW does overall I'd buy one the minute it hit the showroom floor- if it wasn't so goddamn ugly. I just can't get over it. My BMW sure isn't a looker but children don't go crying to their mothers and small animals don't fall from trees as I ride by. Maybe I'm wrong. Maybe in person it isn't that bad. Maybe the looks could grow on me. Maybe I'll go test-ride one and it'll blow me away and I'll write a check on the spot. Maybe.  Attached FileGoddammit HD. |
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Posted: 2/22/2021 5:10:40 PM EST
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Interesting. The quality is an unknown. The gas tank is too small.
I love my GSA. However, BMW needs to step it up. They bike needs to lose 30 pounds and gain 20 horsepower. The single sided swingarm and shaft are convenient but heavy. The front suspension should just be a simple fork setup. The new Ducati and the KTM offer a lot of competition, and the H-D might as well. |
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Posted: 2/22/2021 5:14:09 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: So it's ok that BMW, KTM, and Honda all offer those things for that price but Harley joins in and it's a "but you can buy a bike without all of that for half the price!" response? My Vstrom has traction control shut off, Don't need a touch screen I can toggle through the menus with the controls on bars, My bike weighs less and the power is more than adequate. I am not going to trek across Mongolia. Half price is just fine for me. If I wanted a BMW or KTM I would have one. I never said what you are insinuating. I traded a 15 Ultra limited for it and cash. I had enough of Harley and most like will never have another. The things that really annoyed me was the way you have to buy over priced stuff from Harley to get them work right, like communication devices ans such. I was riding the blue ridge Oct of 19 and had the water pump motor fail. Harley had discontinued selling replacements on a 4 year bike. I was still able to ride home but timing was cut way back. I had to buy a cobbled together kit and re-plum the cooling system, the only option on a 4 year old bike that cost 29k new. |
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Posted: 2/22/2021 5:18:08 PM EST
[#21]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Yea and then the running weight puts the Harley 40 pounds lighter. Go figure. |
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Posted: 2/22/2021 5:26:48 PM EST
[#22]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I'm using factory claimed weights with the only differences by the way dry weight is measured which we don't know. Due to lack of gas capacity or shipped without a battery wet weights can vary. Factory claims are not reliable but saving weight is a new concept for Harley, not so much for KTM. Eh’ we shall see what the real weight is when it hits the market. I see the KTM weight listed all over the place in the end I don’t care. KTM has certainly led the market in raw performance for awhile now. I don’t think I have ever read a big trip report where they didn’t have a major breakdown but they got to that point faster!  I kid, I kid...kind of.The big boy in this segment is BMW and I suspect that is whom they are truly gunning for. |
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Posted: 2/22/2021 5:31:33 PM EST
[#23]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Oops, my mistake. Factory claimed dry weights: 474 and 527. That's 50 pounds man. It also depends on where that weight is.. My old Super Tenere was I believe lighter(without looking it up) than my friends GSA. But when you ride the bikes, the GSA felt 200 pounds lighter. Hell, even if they were the same weight, the GSA just felt lighter and easier to be aggressive on. My Multistrada PP blows em both away though
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Posted: 2/22/2021 5:37:15 PM EST
[#24]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I'm using factory claimed weights with the only differences by the way dry weight is measured which we don't know. Due to lack of gas capacity or shipped without a battery wet weights can vary. Factory claims are not reliable but saving weight is a new concept for Harley, not so much for KTM. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Yea and then the running weight puts the Harley 40 pounds lighter. Go figure. |
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Posted: 2/22/2021 5:43:02 PM EST
[#25]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Eh' we shall see what the real weight is when it hits the market. I see the KTM weight listed all over the place in the end I don't care. KTM has certainly led the market in raw performance for awhile now. I don't think I have ever read a big trip report where they didn't have a major breakdown but they got to that point faster! I kid, I kid...kind of.The big boy in this segment is BMW and I suspect that is whom they are truly gunning for. Manufacturers have gotten much more honest in recent years with actual weights. 10-15 years ago there were often 50+ pound discrepancies. |
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Posted: 2/22/2021 5:44:44 PM EST
[#26]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Hidden in Harley's claimed weight is the fact that they are quoting the weight of the shipping crate - not the bike. That’s seems pretty dumb on their part |
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Posted: 2/22/2021 5:57:08 PM EST
[#27]
Harley=Lead balloon
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Posted: 2/22/2021 5:59:11 PM EST
[#28]
The looks are certainly...uh.....interesting, but let's be honest, a lot of adventure bikes are ugly. The new KTM front end looks like a retarded insect.
Would I buy this over a GSA? I'd certainly give it a chance, because it's ticking all the boxes that matter to me (except for weight), and I absolutely love that there's an American adventure bike, even if it's a Hardley. |
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Posted: 2/22/2021 6:08:05 PM EST
[#29]
Quote HistoryQuoted: FPNI Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: It's a Harley FPNI |
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Posted: 2/22/2021 6:08:21 PM EST
[#30]
Quote HistoryQuoted: The looks are certainly...uh.....interesting, but let's be honest, a lot of adventure bikes are ugly. The new KTM front end looks like a retarded insect. Would I buy this over a GSA? I'd certainly give it a chance, because it's ticking all the boxes that matter to me (except for weight), and I absolutely love that there's an American adventure bike, even if it's a Hardley. I feel the same way to a T. In fact, if you guys chip in and buy me one I will take one for the team and this will be the bike I ride to South America. I know, I know... it’s a real change from what I was planning on taking. But I would do it for ARFcom so we could get first hand feedback. I am altruistic, what can I say. 
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Posted: 2/22/2021 6:09:59 PM EST
[#31]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Well there was this; sorta a Harley https://s1.cdn.autoevolution.com/images/news/gallery/harley-davidson-once-made-a-dirt-bike-this-is-it_2.jpg Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Cool. When was the last time Harley made something dirt oriented? Not since their military contract. Well there was this; sorta a Harley https://s1.cdn.autoevolution.com/images/news/gallery/harley-davidson-once-made-a-dirt-bike-this-is-it_2.jpg They were actually very competitive. The first year had front end telescopic forks on the rear for suspension. In 1978 or so I was at an A.M.A Championship in Ohio and factory rider 'Rocket Rex Staten' had a flat tire. I helped him push his bike to the H-D tractor Trailer and was given one of their official racing jerseys that their riders wore. I was so excited, never thought to get it autographed by Rex, but was nylon mesh with the small vent holes, may not have worked. I still have it. The improved model made better power and was the second most competitive brand on the circuit https://motocrossactionmag.com/classic-motocross-iron-1975-harley-davidson-mx-250-vintage-bike/ |
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Posted: 2/22/2021 6:19:39 PM EST
[#32]
orange? Looks like a fucking Creamcycle, we already have enough orange bikes broke down do we not?
expensive as fuck fairing looks like a IBM typewriter shell with a light bar in it,, zero wind protection spokes optional I see next bike will probably be another BMW, S1000XR makes me tingle, maybe something spaghetti fueled, or rice but a new HD nope. |
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Posted: 2/22/2021 6:21:14 PM EST
[#33]
Any word on when they will release a chrome package?
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Posted: 2/22/2021 6:22:37 PM EST
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Posted: 2/22/2021 6:30:07 PM EST
[#35]
What a pig... Geometry fucked up, off road capabilities are dubious, and it's a Harley. Well that and I own a 900 Rally Pro FTMFW.
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Posted: 2/22/2021 6:32:50 PM EST
[#36]
Quote HistoryQuoted: They were actually very competitive. The first year had front end telescopic forks on the rear for suspension. In 1978 or so I was at an A.M.A Championship in Ohio and factory rider 'Rocket Rex Staten' had a flat tire. I helped him push his bike to the H-D tractor Trailer and was given one of their official racing jerseys that their riders wore. I was so excited, never thought to get it autographed by Rex, but was nylon mesh with the small vent holes, may not have worked. I still have it. The improved model made better power and was the second most competitive brand on the circuit https://motocrossactionmag.com/classic-motocross-iron-1975-harley-davidson-mx-250-vintage-bike/ Uh, what now? |
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Posted: 2/22/2021 6:35:32 PM EST
[#37]
112 year old cutting edge state of the art single pin crank? Thanks but no thanks.
 buh bump buh bump buh bump...................... EDIT. I'm WRONG, it's actually a quite modern design. 
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Posted: 2/22/2021 6:37:54 PM EST
[#38]
Quote HistoryQuoted:...The big boy in this segment is BMW and I suspect that is whom they are truly gunning for. Breaking into the adventure segment is going to be hard but the real question is when are we going to see that motor in a street bike? |
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Posted: 2/22/2021 6:39:13 PM EST
[#39]
That looks like a blast!
I bet you could set it up as an awesome sport tourer. Itll be interesting to see what the custom and aftermarket guys can do with it. |
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Posted: 2/22/2021 6:42:57 PM EST
[#40]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Breaking into the adventure segment is going to be hard but the real question is when are we going to see that motor in a street bike? Watch that video I posted earlier. It’s 25 minutes and pretty good. You will see that which you seek. On ADVrider the comments so far are overwhelming interested and surprised. Dare I say positive? |
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Posted: 2/22/2021 6:50:03 PM EST
[#41]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Watch that video I posted earlier. It’s 25 minutes and pretty good. You will see that which you seek. On ADVrider the comments so far are overwhelming interested and surprised. Dare I say positive? I think the numbers provided shocked a lot of people, especially those who can look at it objectively. After the extreme disappointment of the Livewire I was about 90% sure they would screw this up and while I still have no interest in buying one it's a lot closer than what I would have expected them to offer. |
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Posted: 2/22/2021 6:51:57 PM EST
[#42]
Quote HistoryQuoted: HD released HP figures? That’s new... Are they at least higher than a Harbor Freight Predator engine ? |
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Posted: 2/22/2021 6:57:34 PM EST
[#43]
Harley Haters: Harley needs to diversify.
Harley: Diversifies. Harley Haters: But its a Harley. |
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Posted: 2/22/2021 6:57:35 PM EST
[#44]
Quote HistoryQuoted: That's seems pretty dumb on their part Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Hidden in Harley's claimed weight is the fact that they are quoting the weight of the shipping crate - not the bike. That's seems pretty dumb on their part to make up for the I forgot. |
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Posted: 2/22/2021 7:02:12 PM EST
[#45]
Wow everyone sure is angry about this bike
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Posted: 2/22/2021 7:02:32 PM EST
[#46]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I think it looks ok; I liked the prototype skid plate better than the production one. Not very much suspension travel, but the GSA isnt setting the bar there either.  Prototype: https://s3-eu-west-1.amazonaws.com/crash.net/visordown.com/styles/amp_1200/s3/field/image/2019-08-22%20%282%29.png I can dig it   they painted a fire extinguisher black and shoved it on for an exhaust. that looks horrible. That has to go. |
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Posted: 2/22/2021 7:03:25 PM EST
[#47]
Pass. Way too many well sorted, proven bikes on the market. Besides, it’s fucking ugly.
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Posted: 2/22/2021 7:07:00 PM EST
[#48]
No one wants to ride those pieces of shit anymore. Harley buried their head in the sand for 30 years and mocked anyone who did anything other than ride a $20k, 1600cc vibrating oil dispenser on wheels. Now they get to lay in the bed they made.
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Posted: 2/22/2021 7:07:36 PM EST
[#49]
Quote HistoryQuoted: they painted a fire extinguisher black and shoved it on for an exhaust. that looks horrible. That has to go. Funny you say that because in the video they are happy to show you the titanium yep, you guessed it...Screaming Eagle muffler. |
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Posted: 2/22/2021 7:08:40 PM EST
[#50]
My thoughts
- headlight cowling sucks, and your bike needs to look good - I don’t see how the typical ADV rider is going to want to go to a HD dealer. Kinda like “this is not your fathers Lincoln” ad campaign. It’s going to be an issue - curios to see some forum review. I don’t read the magazines. All paid drivel - competition isn’t bad, but man it’s a packed segment. Triumph 3cyl is a sweet power plant. We will see - man if they had done a sportster-scrambler combo. Fuck. That would be in my garage  Attached File |
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