[ARCHIVED THREAD] - Hatred from General Discusion (Page 1 of 3)
Posted: 8/30/2011 8:54:01 PM EDT
| Is it just me or is there a lot of distaste, malcontent, and even hatred for public servants over in General Discusion? It's too the point I don't even bother going in there often anymore. |
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Quoted: Is it just me or is there a lot of distaste, malcontent, and even hatred for public servants over in General Discusion? It's too the point I don't even bother going in there often anymore. you must be new... That is not new. We are the .gov, and a majority of the malcontents and superposters and not fans of the .gov. |
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It's G.D.
Every idiot has a voice. And keyboard. "At least they went home safe!' "How's the dog?" "Isolated Incident." "Nothing to see here." "Thin Blue Line." "Some are more equal than others." "Us vs. Them mentality." "They're civilians too!" There. That ought to cover every thread involving public servants from here to eternity. |
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You need a flow chart:
Soldiers/Sailors/Marines/Airmen, are given a automatic default of heroes Firefighters can be Heroes/or greedy unionized bastards, depends on day of the week Any .gov entity, especially BATFE are summarily loathed LEO can run the gamut of hero, if it's a LODD, to ultimate scumbag villian if someone sees a damsel in distress pulled backwards and thrown to the ground in a 7 second GIF In the world according to GD, speeders shouldn't be ticketed, seatbelts are optional, helmets are a sin, and LE in general are revenue generating degenerates who never had friends in school and were bullied until they graduated. Oh, and we can't shoot and don't know the shooty end of a gun from a hole in the ground. |
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It's G.D. Every idiot has a voice. And keyboard. "At least they went home safe!' "How's the dog?" "Isolated Incident." "Nothing to see here." "Thin Blue Line." "Some are more equal than others." "Us vs. Them mentality." "They're civilians too!" There. That ought to cover every thread involving public servants from here to eternity. This as well. |
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You need a flow chart: Soldiers/Sailors/Marines/Airmen, are given a automatic default of heroes Firefighters can be Heroes/or greedy unionized bastards, depends on day of the week Any .gov entity, especially BATFE are summarily loathed LEO can run the gamut of hero, if it's a LODD, to ultimate scumbag villian if someone sees a damsel in distress pulled backwards and thrown to the ground in a 7 second GIF In the world according to GD, speeders shouldn't be ticketed, seatbelts are optional, helmets are a sin, and LE in general are revenue generating degenerates who never had friends in school and were bullied until they graduated. Oh, and we can't shoot and don't know the shooty end of a gun from a hole in the ground. I have no doubt there are plenty of individuals in GD who silently celebrate the death of a police officer. They just aren't stupid enough to post about it and lose their account. |
| There's a whole lot of bored angry people who use the annonimity of the internet in order to give themselves a "voice" that in everyday life they don't have. Some just want to start shit, some don't realize how stupid their own arguements are. Kinda like the guy saying all he needs to make a descision is 7 seconds of video, and nothing before a captured incident matters. |
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Quoted: There's a whole lot of bored angry people who use the annonimity of the internet in order to give themselves a "voice" that in everyday life they don't have. Some just want to start shit, some don't realize how stupid their own arguements are. Kinda like the guy saying all he needs to make a descision is 7 seconds of video, and nothing before a captured incident matters. TRUE They also have a misguided sense of government power and assume that just because they would abuse any power given to them, LEOs must also do the same. John |
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It's G.D. Every idiot has a voice. And keyboard. "At least they went home safe!' "How's the dog?" "Isolated Incident." "Nothing to see here." "Thin Blue Line." "Some are more equal than others." "Us vs. Them mentality." "They're civilians too!" There. That ought to cover every thread involving public servants from here to eternity. You for got the ultimate pot-stirring catch phrase: "Professional Courtesy" 
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| It's quite similar to dealing with people on the street. The truly bad ones are a very small, yet very vocal minority of the overall GD population. They're just extremely adept at derailing any thread related to LE. I never bothered with the ignore button because I like to know who's who. Besides, I find their antics so far detached from reality that it's entertaining. |
| I never, and I mean never, go to the GD section. I have plenty of real friends I can have general discussions with if I so choose. I come here to talk guns, not debate with losers living in their parents' basements ten years after they should have gotten a real job and joined the real world. |
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It's G.D. Every idiot has a voice. And keyboard. "At least they went home safe!' "How's the dog?" "Isolated Incident." "Nothing to see here." "Thin Blue Line." "Some are more equal than others." "Us vs. Them mentality." "They're civilians too!" There. That ought to cover every thread involving public servants from here to eternity. You for got the ultimate pot-stirring catch phrase: "Professional Courtesy" You also forgot "Militarization". Those types in GD are just a bunch of little lap-dogs that yip and yap at the big dogs outside from the safety of the house they are sitting in. They tell us who they are by what they post. Just look at some of the topics that come up. They have the mental development of a 14 year old. |
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I do not need the approval of basement dwelling window lickers to do my job or live my life. At least they provide us with job security
^^^^^ Combine a GD frequenter and alcohol. Combine them and God knows what kind of incidents you can roll out on. It's been getting worse in my opinion. |
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You need a flow chart: Soldiers/Sailors/Marines/Airmen, are given a automatic default of heroes Firefighters can be Heroes/or greedy unionized bastards, depends on day of the week Any .gov entity, especially BATFE are summarily loathed LEO can run the gamut of hero, if it's a LODD, to ultimate scumbag villian if someone sees a damsel in distress pulled backwards and thrown to the ground in a 7 second GIF In the world according to GD, speeders shouldn't be ticketed, seatbelts are optional, helmets are a sin, and LE in general are revenue generating degenerates who never had friends in school and were bullied until they graduated. Oh, and we can't shoot and don't know the shooty end of a gun from a hole in the ground. I have no doubt there are plenty of individuals in GD who silently celebrate the death of a police officer. They just aren't stupid enough to post about it and lose their account. Some have gotten away with it even after Staff investigations. |
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It's G.D. Every idiot has a voice. And keyboard. "At least they went home safe!' "How's the dog?" "Isolated Incident." "Nothing to see here." "Thin Blue Line." "Some are more equal than others." "Us vs. Them mentality." "They're civilians too!" There. That ought to cover every thread involving public servants from here to eternity. too many shitheads on both sides of the argument to really be able to support either group... both are sometimes correct |
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I'm a big fan of the "an officer came up and asked to see my permit because someone called in a complaint because I was open carrying and he was very professional and courteous but I should've told him to fuck off because he was a dick" threads.
Cue the chorus of ignorant internet tough guy comments like "you should've told him to fuck off because he didn't have 'probable cause'(  )to stop you and terry vs Ohio and stuff".
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"At least they went home safe!' "How's the dog?" "Isolated Incident." "Nothing to see here." "Thin Blue Line." "Some are more equal than others." "Us vs. Them mentality." "They're civilians too!" There. That ought to cover every thread involving public servants from here to eternity. |
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I never, and I mean never, go to the GD section. I have plenty of real friends I can have general discussions with if I so choose. I come here to talk guns, not debate with losers living in their parents' basements ten years after they should have gotten a real job and joined the real world. ^^^ MY THOUGHTS & POLICY AS WELL ^^^ Been to "GD" a couple of times & found it of no interest. You also forgot "Militarization". Those types in GD are just a bunch of little lap-dogs that yip and yap at the big dogs outside from the safety of the house they are sitting in. They tell us who they are by what they post. Just look at some of the topics that come up. They have the mental development of a 14 year old.
I suspect many of them are. I would not be shocked to learn that most are in the 18-22 year old range. The type who know everything though they have done/seen nothing. ALSO... keep in mind "ignorance breeds paranoia". Most vitriolic threads seem to make assumptions based on poor understanding. Lack of comprehension and basic intellect makes "reasoning" with that type of deficiency futile. I stick to here, and a few "tech" forums of interest. Even the "team forum" was often just a few levels above "GD" in my past experience. (part of the reason I did not renew at the time). I may though because of the insight & info I get (and try to contribute) from the other forums. Seems like each has it's "colorful" participants though. It's the internet... it's to be expected. |
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You need a flow chart: Soldiers/Sailors/Marines/Airmen, are given a automatic default of heroes Firefighters can be Heroes/or greedy unionized bastards, depends on day of the week Any .gov entity, especially BATFE are summarily loathed LEO can run the gamut of hero, if it's a LODD, to ultimate scumbag villian if someone sees a damsel in distress pulled backwards and thrown to the ground in a 7 second GIF In the world according to GD, speeders shouldn't be ticketed, seatbelts are optional, helmets are a sin, and LE in general are revenue generating degenerates who never had friends in school and were bullied until they graduated. Oh, and we can't shoot and don't know the shooty end of a gun from a hole in the ground. I have no doubt there are plenty of individuals in GD who silently celebrate the death of a police officer. They just aren't stupid enough to post about it and lose their account. This...they save THAT stuff for their :"Rate my Cop (DotCom)" and "WarRifles" accounts |
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I find it easier to handle GD by only reading amusing posts... As soon as it becomes near LEO bash-fest, I "back" button my way out. We are hated as the most visible / easiest to relate to face of the faceless "government". Aren't LEOs hated by most of the general public anyway? So why would it surprise you that GD has a lot of cop bashing? It seems like you would be used to it by now.
The only people I really see that rag on FFs are cops calling them hose draggers etc.  LEOs are going to get their own private forum where does that leave the rest of the "public servants" ?
I have several friends that are police officers and a lot of customers that are city cops and fire fighters. There are good ones and bad ones just like every other place that employs people, don't take it so personal. I thank you all for your service. |
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Is it just me or is there a lot of distaste, malcontent, and even hatred for public servants over in General Discusion? It's too the point I don't even bother going in there often anymore. Just like any other entity that people hate on, it's partly due to the media only publicizing "bad" things –– they wouldn't sell advertising if they ran an article every day titled "Officer Smith cites reckless driver, assists with puppy rescue, writes accident report for parking lot fender-bender, and safely serves failure-to-appear warrant". They report 3 events that happen daily in a county of 300 million, and that is what sticks in people's heads. There are problems that need to be made public and fixed, but the frequency is nowhere near what it "feel like" because of the news. |
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People don't like cops? Who'd a thunk it? Like I tell my rookies, everybody hates cops, every loves firemen. Fireman gets arrested for having kiddie porn? day 1 page 3 then you never see it again unless there is a trial then it is in the back of the paper. Cop gets a dui, page one. When they argue I use this story to prove the point––- what do you think when you see a fire truck running code in your rearview? ansers are usually where are the going wheres the fire etc. Ok what do you think when you see a cop in your rearview? ANswer? WTF does this asshole want? It is the nature of the beast. Everybody hates cops until they need one. Once the panic is over they go right back to hating. Like my training Sgt. told us our first day in the precinct, "Everyone in this neighborhood hates you, deal with it". |
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There's a whole lot of bored angry people who use the annonimity of the internet in order to give themselves a "voice" that in everyday life they don't have. Some just want to start shit, some don't realize how stupid their own arguements are. Kinda like the guy saying all he needs to make a descision is 7 seconds of video, and nothing before a captured incident matters. TRUE They also have a misguided sense of government power and assume that just because they would abuse any power given to them, LEOs must also do the same. John Well in fairness John, there are often video's and cases that show poor choices and crimial activity by LEO's posted as well, NOt all the Anti LEo post are baseless. I think it often becomes not so much about being tired of the "officer went home safe" as much as it is Arfcops (who are mostly stand up guys) just getting tired of FEELING like their noses are getting rubbed in a shit pile thay didnt plop out. You whacking your dog with a newspaper for the neighbors dog shitting on your lawn, yea a dog did it, but not your dog. When a cop takes a post about a cop fucking some chick in public, while in uniform, and trys to spin it to it not being illegal and therefor ok, it makes folks wonder, very little mention (and only when prodded) does the fact that its unbecoming and makes the Dept. look bad come into play.. Some spend to much time trying to educate and loose sight of what was wrong, or post a small sentence about "he was wrong" then go on to 15 posts about how he could have been right if XYZ happend. Any internet bash fest has two sets of players and anyone can choose not to post. hell most some of the "bash" post are a resuilt of being baited and trolled by le itself (not all but some). |
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If GD is the section 8 of arfcom, and its so terrible for Leo's in GD, why you keep going there?
Why do LEo's post in GD knowing the subject will turn into a bash fest? Why do LE continue to post LE storys and articles that they know will get the reaction? Because you chose too, its not about educating the ignoant masses, its about the argument and the opportunity to have your play backed by your buddies and fight the common enemy. Generally folks avoid the bad part of town, (when its not their job to police it), hell I work in the shit part of town, but when I am off work I dont fo there for shits and giggles. Thats why we should have a LEO only forum...EXCEPT... want to bet the same stories get posted by arfcops in GD anyway? Only with this secret forum, they can get together and have private bash fest of their own and "high five" each other. There has been no increase in LEO "bashing" but there maybe an increase of posted stories reguarding bad leo's and Leo's getting caught and convited of stupid shit. |
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Don't you forget that they pay our salary... Why don't you catch some real criminals (after they have been stopped for DUI..DWI..DUID..BUI..) And " I hope you made your quota" Amusingly enough, usually the ones that squak this are the same ones that are homeless, or do actually live in mommy and daddy's basement because either 1. they are going to school to become a cop or 2. just don't care enough about themselves to get a job, ergo earn no money, ergo pay no taxes, ergo....are NOT paying my salary.
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I find it easier to handle GD by only reading amusing posts... As soon as it becomes near LEO bash-fest, I "back" button my way out. We are hated as the most visible / easiest to relate to face of the faceless "government". Aren't LEOs hated by most of the general public anyway? So why would it surprise you that GD has a lot of cop bashing? It seems like you would be used to it by now.
The only people I really see that rag on FFs are cops calling them hose draggers etc. LEOs are going to get there own private forum where does that leave the rest of the "public servants" ?
I have several friends that are police officers and a lot of customers that are city cops and fire fighters. There are good ones and bad ones just like every other place that employs people, don't take it so personal. I thank you all for your service. Deemed unworthy of inclusion. |
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Aren't LEOs hated by most of the general public anyway? No, we aren't. Quoted:
If GD is the section 8 of arfcom, and its so terrible for Leo's in GD, why you keep going there? Why do LEo's post in GD knowing the subject will turn into a bash fest? Why do LE continue to post LE storys and articles that they know will get the reaction? Because you chose too, its not about educating the ignoant masses, its about the argument and the opportunity to have your play backed by your buddies and fight the common enemy. Considering that most LEOs are saying here that they rarely post in GD, what backing are you thinking of? |
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I go to GD to see what is interesting. I've been watching the ATF Fast and Furious thread for example, but have only posted once or twice. I may look at a Police thread. There's no denying that some in Our Ranks are wrong on occasion. Some shouldn't even be allowed to buy a badge aand gun at the dollar store. It happens in all walks of life. It's called being human. If I see an LEO bashing thread I move on. There is no win getting dragged into the hole of idiocy. If I see a thread where someone may be asking for assistance I will post based on my experience and knowledge. I don't get involved in pissing contests with people who are just out to argue. The "malcontents" can say whatever they want with in the CoC but what else can they trully do? They can bitch and moan and cry and whine and they do but what can they do to you, me or anyone else? They think they're calling people out when they will likely never face the things we can and do face on a daily basis. They have no plan and don't have to act but they will shit all over your plans and your actions. Take the comments with a grain of salt. Everyone has an opinion even assholes. Criminals are human too. |
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Aren't LEOs hated by most of the general public anyway? No, we aren't. Quoted:
If GD is the section 8 of arfcom, and its so terrible for Leo's in GD, why you keep going there? Why do LEo's post in GD knowing the subject will turn into a bash fest? Why do LE continue to post LE storys and articles that they know will get the reaction? Because you chose too, its not about educating the ignoant masses, its about the argument and the opportunity to have your play backed by your buddies and fight the common enemy. Considering that most LEOs are saying here that they rarely post in GD, what backing are you thinking of? all the leo in bots may not post in GD but many do. in most of the LEO/cop/officer threads, I was refering to GD |
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I go to GD to see what is interesting. I've been watching the ATF Fast and Furious thread for example, but have only posted once or twice. I may look at a Police thread. There's no denying that some in Our Ranks are wrong on occasion. Some shouldn't even be allowed to buy a badge aand gun at the dollar store. It happens in all walks of life. It's called being human. If I see an LEO bashing thread I move on. There is no win getting dragged into the hole of idiocy. If I see a thread where someone may be asking for assistance I will post based on my experience and knowledge. I don't get involved in pissing contests with people who are just out to argue. The "malcontents" can say whatever they want with in the CoC but what else can they trully do? They can bitch and moan and cry and whine and they do but what can they do to you, me or anyone else? They think they're calling people out when they will likely never face the things we can and do face on a daily basis. They have no plan and don't have to act but they will shit all over your plans and your actions. Take the comments with a grain of salt. Everyone has an opinion even assholes. I and persionally could learn alot from your outlook, I often let myself do exactly what your saying, sometimes a person just feels like they have to say something, I sappose its the same reason an LEO might defend his brothers fuck ups, it is human nature I sappose. Most of my pissing contests are related to the blind defense or double standard, not so much the degree of wrong doing pointed out in a random thread. If even half of the GD arfcops did the same as you, then GD cop threads would only be the "bashers" stroking each other....and you know what, if that happend who cares? I have never seen an LEO post directed at a particuliar arfcom member LEO, not once, I guess we both have the same stake in an GD LEO thread.....none |
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You guys are forgetting what I'll refer to as selection bias.
It is rare for media outlets to report on the good things that LEOs do for their communities. One of them fucks up, it's front page news. There are shitbag LEOs just like there are shitbag hose draggers, shitbag medics, shitbag military types, shitbag (insert profession here) However, LEOs do tend to live up to many of their stereotypes and are at times ripe for the picking. 
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What people in GD, and on most forums never seem to understand is that the LEOs that frequent gun boards are gun nuts and not the guys that are out there violating folks civil rights. Lumping us in with a small minority of LEOs who do stupid and/or criminal things does absolutely nothing to promote anything positive and only feeds the "us vs. them" mentality that so many of them think exists to exclude them rather than because of them.
Are there cops who shouldn't be? Absolutely. Are they the majority? My 15 years of experience as an LEO, not to mention the 23 years I spent as a citizen before I was sworn in, is that they are the small minority. I have heard second hand (because I don't visit GD) that there is heartburn about the private LE only forum there. Perhaps we could have an "angry teenager forum" or a "I live in my mom's basement at work part-time at a comic shop even though I'm 27 years old" forum. Both of them can be private, and I promise you that neither I, nor any other LEOs {or other productive adults for that matter) will have any heartburn about being excluded. |
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Quoted: There have been times when I've found myself typing a reply to a thread based on my emotional take. Those are the ones I delete and cancel. Its so easy to get carried away in to the drama. I didn't join ArfCom for drama. I can't deny jumping in the manure but it's been about a gun manufacturer that I like not the job. At work I've wanted to go across a table at an asshole so bad I broke a crown but I held off and let him finish his "confession". I figure that if I can keep from ripping some perverts throat out and let him think I really like him as he admits his "Sins" the shit stirrers in here are gonna have to go well beyond their capability to get to me. Will the sociopaths please stand up!Quoted: I go to GD to see what is interesting. I've been watching the ATF Fast and Furious thread for example, but have only posted once or twice. I may look at a Police thread. There's no denying that some in Our Ranks are wrong on occasion. Some shouldn't even be allowed to buy a badge aand gun at the dollar store. It happens in all walks of life. It's called being human. If I see an LEO bashing thread I move on. There is no win getting dragged into the hole of idiocy. If I see a thread where someone may be asking for assistance I will post based on my experience and knowledge. I don't get involved in pissing contests with people who are just out to argue. The "malcontents" can say whatever they want with in the CoC but what else can they trully do? They can bitch and moan and cry and whine and they do but what can they do to you, me or anyone else? They think they're calling people out when they will likely never face the things we can and do face on a daily basis. They have no plan and don't have to act but they will shit all over your plans and your actions. Take the comments with a grain of salt. Everyone has an opinion even assholes. I and persionally could learn alot from your outlook, I often let myself do exactly what your saying, sometimes a person just feels like they have to say something, I sappose its the same reason an LEO might defend his brothers fuck ups, it is human nature I sappose. Most of my pissing contests are related to the blind defense or double standard, not so much the degree of wrong doing pointed out in a random thread. |
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Quoted: You guys are forgetting what I'll refer to as selection bias. It is rare for media outlets to report on the good things that LEOs do for their communities. One of them fucks up, it's front page news. There are shitbag LEOs just like there are shitbag hose draggers, shitbag medics, shitbag military types, shitbag (insert profession here) However, LEOs do tend to live up to many of their stereotypes and are at times ripe for the picking. Cops like everyone else are products of their environment. But as far as I'm concerned we should be held to higher standards because we enforce the law and hold people's safety and very freedom in our hands. We're entrusted by our society to be the gatekeepers and the watchdogs. When we make mistakes there can be much more involved then just a fine or short detention. When one of us breaks that trust they should be dealt with accordingly. I've seen cops break that trust and get disciplne from suspension to termination and jail time. I've also seen cops get jammed up for PC administrative bullshit because of a boss with no backbone. We are afforded employment protection like others in my state. I don't approve of protecting douchebags in or out of uniform and will speak my mind when I don't agree with backing someone. I'll also back a cop who is put up as a sacrificial lamb because someone else has no balls. |
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You guys are forgetting what I'll refer to as selection bias. It is rare for media outlets to report on the good things that LEOs do for their communities. One of them fucks up, it's front page news. There are shitbag LEOs just like there are shitbag hose draggers, shitbag medics, shitbag military types, shitbag (insert profession here) However, LEOs do tend to live up to many of their stereotypes and are at times ripe for the picking.
Cops like everyone else are products of their environment. But as far as I'm concerned we should be held to higher standards because we enforce the law and hold people's safety and very freedom in our hands. We're entrusted by our society to be the gatekeepers and the watchdogs. When we make mistakes there can be much more involved then just a fine or short detention. When one of us breaks that trust they should be dealt with accordingly. I've seen cops break that trust and get disciplne from suspension to termination and jail time. I've also seen cops get jammed up for PC administrative bullshit because of a boss with no backbone. We are afforded employment protection like others in this state. I don't approve of protecting douchebags in or out of uniform and will speak my mind when I don't agree with backing someone. If this were to be posted in a GD LEO thread where an officer was shown to be wrong, you would be thanked and your opinion appriciated OR as happend to Runcible, you would be called a traitor to the badge for telling the truth BY AN LEO., this is NOT a normal response by typical GD arfcops. You might have to go to the pit to defend yourself. |