Posted: 6/19/2010 6:32:22 PM EDT
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That those in non Gulf states are being very protective of BP and share their concern for how they are being treated poorly
and... Those that live in Gulf states are willing to let BP fry. Unless you are from Texas. You posters are about 50-50. So what gives? Are you non-Gulfers out of touch or are we Gulfers oversensitive? Honestly, I don't think many see the seriousness of what is going down here and how many of our friends and neighbors are totally screwed for a generation. That's just one guy's opinion. It does piss me off reading some of the apathetic or simply out of touch comments that are going back and forth. I guess I'm just letting GC get to me. Ps. Not a rant, just observing. |
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I believe that it is because it is personal for you all. Perfectly understandable as well. However, please understand that we who seem to be "defending" BP are not letting them off the hook, just waiting to properly assign blame. Awaiting my ass! Alls I see are posts about how the oil spill is no big deal because oil comes from nature anyway or how just because we had one little oil spill doesn't mean we should do anything drastic like re-evaluate the technology and safety procedures involved with offshore drilling before drilling more wells. Face it, people outside of gulf coast states don't care. |
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I think BP is at fault because well, it's their fault. Therefore they should be held responsible and have to pay for the clean up, the people they put out of work, etc.
The part I have trouble with is "the boot on the neck of BP" talk, the being forced to have a 20 billion dollar escrow account that the government controls, etc. It's not that I think that BP should 'get away' with anything, it's that I view this as Obama advancing his socialist agenda. |
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Quoted: Quoted: I believe that it is because it is personal for you all. Perfectly understandable as well. However, please understand that we who seem to be "defending" BP are not letting them off the hook, just waiting to properly assign blame. Awaiting my ass! Alls I see are posts about how the oil spill is no big deal because oil comes from nature anyway or how just because we had one little oil spill doesn't mean we should do anything drastic like re-evaluate the technology and safety procedures involved with offshore drilling before drilling more wells. Face it, people outside of gulf coast states don't care. horseshit. I certainly do care, as I want platforms off my little slice of heaven here on the Georgia coast. We absolutely need to make sure that this doesn't happen again, figure out why it happened this time, and see if there is wrongdoing that goes above and beyond "paying to clean it up". |
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BP is 100% responsible for the spill, but there's enough blame to go around, and in all honesty, as far as I see it, the Goobermint could have lessened the impact on the Gulf region, and chose to sit by and do absolutely nothing. Obama is responsible for the severe impact, and BP is responsible for paying those poor folks who are financially screwed because of their fuckup, letting this happen, as it wasn't really an accident but an event that happened because corners were cut.
FUCK OBAMA AND BP as far as I'm concerned! |
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Every single fishing boat and every single tourist to God's Waiting Room uses petroleum. Now, as far as laying blame? Unless you have worked for BP, either directly or as a contractor/supplier, you have zero claim. The media cannot get simple facts correct about BP yet you believe the garbage the media is spouting about BP's corporate safety policies? Pure BS. Sure, there may have been improper BP actions taken by the BP "company man" on the DW Horizon but that was HIS call. As of yet, we do not know. We know that BP has drilled thousands of wells without any such problems. |
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Quoted: Every single fishing boat and every single tourist to God's Waiting Room uses petroleum. Now, as far as laying blame? Unless you have worked for BP, either directly or as a contractor/supplier, you have zero claim. The media cannot get simple facts correct about BP yet you believe the garbage the media is spouting about BP's corporate safety policies? Pure BS. Sure, there may have been improper BP actions taken by the BP "company man" on the DW Horizon but that was HIS call. As of yet, we do not know. We know that BP has drilled thousands of wells without any such problems. come on, bringing up such elementary facts really takes the fun out of emotionally fueled hate fests  |
They all care that the spill happened, but apparently want the company to be too broke to do anything about it. 
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: I believe that it is because it is personal for you all. Perfectly understandable as well. However, please understand that we who seem to be "defending" BP are not letting them off the hook, just waiting to properly assign blame. Awaiting my ass! Alls I see are posts about how the oil spill is no big deal because oil comes from nature anyway or how just because we had one little oil spill doesn't mean we should do anything drastic like re-evaluate the technology and safety procedures involved with offshore drilling before drilling more wells. Face it, people outside of gulf coast states don't care. horseshit. I certainly do care, as I want platforms off my little slice of heaven here on the Georgia coast. We absolutely need to make sure that this doesn't happen again, figure out why it happened this time, and see if there is wrongdoing that goes above and beyond "paying to clean it up". When this thing is over and done with...and the actual causes are determined, then we can assign the blame. If it turns out that procedures were not followed, which resulted in the deaths of 11 men...somebody should go down for manslaughter. I'm not defending BP. I don't think much of their political campaign contributions that got Obummer elected, but I do believe they have stepped up to the plare in trying to plug the leak. The spill remediation seems to be hindered at every oportunity by .gov. We need to wait until the actual causalities can be defined before we attach blame. Obummer running around threatenig everybody isn't going to impact plugging the leak one iota. All of the oil, (the great majority of the oil), can be stopped and cleaned up before it impacts the coastlines. That said, the only finite blame that can be placed at this point in time is the government's interferences and unwillingness to do anything constructive. |
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Quoted: Quoted: Every single fishing boat and every single tourist to God's Waiting Room uses petroleum. Now, as far as laying blame? Unless you have worked for BP, either directly or as a contractor/supplier, you have zero claim. The media cannot get simple facts correct about BP yet you believe the garbage the media is spouting about BP's corporate safety policies? Pure BS. Sure, there may have been improper BP actions taken by the BP "company man" on the DW Horizon but that was HIS call. As of yet, we do not know. We know that BP has drilled thousands of wells without any such problems. come on, bringing up such elementary facts really takes the fun out of emotionally fueled hate fests And one more little thing...130 years ago, people were being killed in great numbers by horrific "acts of God" with respect to steam boilers exploding. There were a few Luddites back then saying steam power would never be safe much like there are those today saying petroleum will always have these accidents. Hogwash. The problems with steam boiler explosions were solved without government intervention. That was the birth of the American Society of Mechanical Engineers. Anyone who was against off shore drilling in April of this year or is now needs to take a historical perspective of other failures. Like Apollo 1. The Space Shuttles Challenger and Columbia. Quit listening to the media, they have it wrong. The Texas Gulf Coast was assaulted by Ixtoc I in 1979-1980. And it recovered just fine without a DIME from Pemex. |
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Anyone read the article in the recent edition of GQ on the rig?
Stories from some of those on the rig... sounds like straight up negligence on BP's and transocean's part. ETA: Worth the read, here's the article online: http://www.gq.com/news-politics/big-issues/201007/oil-spill-rig-workers-coast-guard-crewmen Once you get to 11 hours on the time line you will start to see some things... |
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I'm on the Gulf. In fact, I'm damn near IN the Gulf. With that fact out there, let me say that I don't necessarily want BP to be considered blameless. From what I understand, they are very much to blame. Other side of the coin, I don't want Gov't Oil Company, either. The government has no business being in the oil business or trying to run BP out of business, either. |
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I also don't see what the big deal over the gov is - all we've seen is zero flapping his gums about what he wants to do.
The reality is that the gov isn't doing shit about this all but hindering needed help. There's no one taking over the ops, cleanup, anything. |
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Quoted: As much as i hate Obama i really can't see how it is his fault in any way. What in the hell can he do about it? No one really knows what to do to stop this and it is a shitty deal all the way around. Obummer could have done a lot about this. He could have been proactive from day one...like he says he was, instead of going golfing and holding concerts. All Obummer and his band of merry idiots have done is position themselves for catchy soundbites. Plans to contain oil spills have been in the governments' playbook from day one....they were never implemented. The dutch offered to send remediation ships....Obummer told them to fuck off. Plans were in place to burn the oil off....Obummer nixed that. Govenor Jindall had barges out vaccumming up the oil....the government stopped that. Jindall ask for Corp of Engineers help building sand islands off the coast to stop the oil....the government wouldn't help. The oil business knows ho to stop this....but it takes time. There will be no instant gratification in stopping the leak....but it will be done. Obummer...not so much. |
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1. Plug the damn hole. Stop talking and start doing.
2. BP at fault? No.. Fed made the situation possible by not allowing the company to drill where they requested to in the first place and forcing them to drill 1 mile down which had never been done. 3. BP responsible for clean-up? YESSS 4. Federal regulations and lack of following there own policy casued the disaster to escalate. 5. Fuck Obama.He needs to STFU and plug the hole before we hear anything about post oil spill. No I am not a gulf state person but have no problems with each party being held accountable for there actions. |
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As much as i hate Obama i really can't see how it is his fault in any way. What in the hell can he do about it? No one really knows what to do to stop this and it is a shitty deal all the way around. How about waive the Jones Act? How about fast track requests to build berms? How about allow foreign help that was offered a few days after the accident? How about take advantage of new ideas and innovations instead of using it to drum up support for his socialist agenda? Cap and trade anyone? Oh, the oil companies are evil and our blessed gov't is going to push thru "climate" legislation to destroy them and we can all hold hands and sing allah akbar or whatever the fuck commie closet muslims sing after they've destroyed the last free country on the planet! |
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Quoted: 1. Plug the damn hole. Stop talking and start doing. 2. BP at fault? No.. Fed made the situation possible by not allowing the company to drill where they requested to in the first place and forcing them to drill 1 mile down which had never been done. 3. BP responsible for clean-up? YESSS 4. Federal regulations and lack of following there own policy casued the disaster to escalate. 5. Fuck Obama.He needs to STFU and plug the hole before we hear anything about post oil spill. No I am not a gulf state person but have no problems with each party being held accountable for there actions. 1. The best and brightest are working on that. And not zero's crew either. 2. The fed didn't force BP into drilling there. That is an often repeated lie. The fed LEASED block 252 of Mississippi Canyon to BP. BP had the capital and will to explore. Deep water is where the big finds are, big finds are needed because it is very expensive to produce deep water. Money forced the drilling. 3. BP is paying. They just won't pay for strippers who are out of work because rig workers on rotation aren't stuffing their g-strings. Although zero wants BP to pay for unemployed strippers. 4. Yes, federal regulations cause more problems than they solve. 5. Zero has done nothing but stand in the way. |
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As much as i hate Obama i really can't see how it is his fault in any way. What in the hell can he do about it? No one really knows what to do to stop this and it is a shitty deal all the way around. Obummer could have done a lot about this. He could have been proactive from day one...like he says he was, instead of going golfing and holding concerts. All Obummer and his band of merry idiots have done is position themselves for catchy soundbites. Plans to contain oil spills have been in the governments' playbook from day one....they were never implemented. The dutch offered to send remediation ships....Obummer told them to fuck off. Plans were in place to burn the oil off....Obummer nixed that. Govenor Jindall had barges out vaccumming up the oil....the government stopped that. Jindall ask for Corp of Engineers help building sand islands off the coast to stop the oil....the government wouldn't help. The oil business knows ho to stop this....but it takes time. There will be no instant gratification in stopping the leak....but it will be done. Obummer...not so much. I must admit i had no idea about most of this. I was wrong. Fuck Obama. |
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That those in non Gulf states are being very protective of BP and share their concern for how they are being treated poorly and... Those that live in Gulf states are willing to let BP fry. Unless you are from Texas. You posters are about 50-50. Out of sight out of mind, for most people. |
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That those in non Gulf states are being very protective of BP and share their concern for how they are being treated poorly and... Those that live in Gulf states are willing to let BP fry. Unless you are from Texas. You posters are about 50-50. So what gives? Are you non-Gulfers out of touch or are we Gulfers oversensitive? Honestly, I don't think many see the seriousness of what is going down here and how many of our friends and neighbors are totally screwed for a generation. That's just one guy's opinion. It does piss me off reading some of the apathetic or simply out of touch comments that are going back and forth. I guess I'm just letting GC get to me. Ps. Not a rant, just observing. Congratulations. You just discovered the true meaning of politics: self-interest. |