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1/15/2016 11:10:33 AM EDT
I have been looking for an M16A1 parts kit or an AR built from a kit and found this for sale.  All the guy said is that it's older and he's had it for 6 years.  



What do you guys think?  Something hobbled together or built from a surplus M16 kit or something else?








































He is asking $600.
1/15/2016 11:15:24 AM EDT
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Shoot it... if it goes through a mag with no issues, offer $450.
1/15/2016 11:16:50 AM EDT
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Its a parts gun. Barrel looks like an A2 - .75 barrel. Not a A1 .625 barrel. Upper looks like a 1970s A1.
1/15/2016 11:18:54 AM EDT
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Yup, SP1 upper & a 3 prong, everything else looks A2
1/15/2016 11:22:27 AM EDT
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Almost exactly my plan lol

 
1/15/2016 11:23:12 AM EDT
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I really want the thinner barrel.

 



I will probably just keep looking for an A1 parts kit..
1/15/2016 11:28:05 AM EDT
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I really want the thinner barrel.  

I will probably just keep looking for an A1 parts kit..
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Its a parts gun. Barrel looks like an A2 - .75 barrel. Not a A1 .625 barrel. Upper looks like a 1970s A1.
I really want the thinner barrel.  

I will probably just keep looking for an A1 parts kit..


Buy it cheap, get a pencil prifile barrel

Sell of the existing barrel and get on the waiting list for aNodack NDs-601 or NDS-XM16E1 retro lower

and it will look the part of a faux 604
1/15/2016 11:47:49 AM EDT
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Buy it cheap, get a pencil prifile barrel



Sell of the existing barrel and get on the waiting list for aNodack NDs-601 or NDS-XM16E1 retro lower



and it will look the part of a faux 604
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Its a parts gun. Barrel looks like an A2 - .75 barrel. Not a A1 .625 barrel. Upper looks like a 1970s A1.
I really want the thinner barrel.  



I will probably just keep looking for an A1 parts kit..





Buy it cheap, get a pencil prifile barrel



Sell of the existing barrel and get on the waiting list for aNodack NDs-601 or NDS-XM16E1 retro lower



and it will look the part of a faux 604
I've been eyeing that barrel for when it comes back in stock.

 



And honestly I don't even care about the lower, I'll just use an Anderson and put an A1 stock on it and be happy.
1/15/2016 11:50:26 AM EDT
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But it cheap and send the barrel off to ADCO and let them turn it down to the correct profile.
1/15/2016 11:52:44 AM EDT
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1/15/2016 12:00:27 PM EDT
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Eye twitch?  Cuz thats not a 1970's M16A1 upper.



OP, that thing is a jumbled up mess and isn't what you're looking for.  Walk away.
1/15/2016 12:02:18 PM EDT
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Upper is a mix.  Its a COLT Harvey Forge  

Flash hider is wrong.

Lower needs the mag catch screwed in more lol


Ive heard of some guys saying those uppers were transitional "Air Force" uppers.  It would have had round handguards and a birdcage hider
1/15/2016 12:04:26 PM EDT
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Cobbled together parts gun.  









I'd go $400 on it just for parts.
1/15/2016 12:17:28 PM EDT
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He won't budge from $600, it's not worth that to me.

 



Jumbled up mess is right, that's what it looked like to me but I don't know much about older stuff.  
1/15/2016 12:23:23 PM EDT
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He sure beat the shit out of the lower receiver trigger guard tab on the left side.  





There is some good stuff there, but as already mentioned the barrel is wrong.  The upper is a Colt 604, not an SP1.  The carrier is correct with the notches for the 604 with no forward assist.





Too much not right to even consider for $600.  I would advise you pass on it.  


1/15/2016 12:25:39 PM EDT
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This.

Keep in mind that a correct barrel will be 1:12. Not a problem with 55 or lower, just be aware.

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1/15/2016 12:25:47 PM EDT
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Find a Colt 604 upper. Light weight barrel and slick side, no shell deflector or forward assist. I have one setup with a bump fire stock and it's fun as hell for mag dumps.
1/15/2016 12:30:24 PM EDT
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10mm, you probably didn't consider this since you live in a semi-free state (NC) - but that lower alone might be worth more than $600.

Do some research.  It might - just maybe - be a coveted "pre ban" lower.  

I'm not 100% up on all the tyranny passed in communist regimes like my former home states of NY, MD, or CA (yes, I suffered under the persecution of all 3 regimes).

But maybe someone in one of those states can chime in?

PS: thank you for NOT displaying your bare toes in photo #5.  Well done sir!
1/15/2016 12:54:09 PM EDT
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Possible it's a pre-1994:  I checked their website:

"Since its opening in the early nineties, TNW Firearms Inc., has been a leader in the manufacture and development of historical weaponry and accessories. We pride ourselves on preserving firearms history for collectors, museums and movie companies. Our company relocated to Vernonia, Oregon in 1994, where we were able to grow with onsite R&D, testing, and production. TNW conducts much of its business and manufacturing locally and partners with a large network of companies in the greater Portland area. From its first product, the Semi auto Browning 1919, TNW Firearms has grown to provide an array of products expanding into the shooting sports and national defense markets. In 2012 TNW introduced the new Aero Survival Rifle; this original designed firearm incorporated technology and features that had never been used in the carbine rifle market. Working forward from that platform, TNW is currently in development of some exciting new products that will cater to the next generation of sports shooter."
1/15/2016 1:07:13 PM EDT
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Magwell is chewed all to hell. And why is there tape on it?

ETA: Magwell pic appears to simply have something else in the image-- other pics show magwell on ejection port side to be ok.
1/15/2016 1:09:13 PM EDT
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Possible it's a pre-1994:  I checked their website:



"Since its opening in the early nineties, TNW Firearms Inc., has been a leader in the manufacture and development of historical weaponry and accessories. We pride ourselves on preserving firearms history for collectors, museums and movie companies. Our company relocated to Vernonia, Oregon in 1994, where we were able to grow with onsite R&D, testing, and production. TNW conducts much of its business and manufacturing locally and partners with a large network of companies in the greater Portland area. From its first product, the Semi auto Browning 1919, TNW Firearms has grown to provide an array of products expanding into the shooting sports and national defense markets. In 2012 TNW introduced the new Aero Survival Rifle; this original designed firearm incorporated technology and features that had never been used in the carbine rifle market. Working forward from that platform, TNW is currently in development of some exciting new products that will cater to the next generation of sports shooter."
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No one marked things "multi" back then.
1/15/2016 1:29:06 PM EDT
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10mm, you probably didn't consider this since you live in a semi-free state (NC) - but that lower alone might be worth more than $600.



Do some research.  It might - just maybe - be a coveted "pre ban" lower.  



I'm not 100% up on all the tyranny passed in communist regimes like my former home states of NY, MD, or CA (yes, I suffered under the persecution of all 3 regimes).



But maybe someone in one of those states can chime in?



PS: thank you for NOT displaying your bare toes in photo #5.  Well done sir!
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I didn't take the pics. If I had they would have been a lot better lol
1/15/2016 1:30:15 PM EDT
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Magwell is chewed all to hell. And why is there tape on it?



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I almost thought it had a chunk missing too but it's his shirt or something.



I think the tape is cover up the serial number
1/15/2016 1:33:39 PM EDT
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He won't budge from $600, it's not worth that to me.  



Jumbled up mess is right, that's what it looked like to me but I don't know much about older stuff.  

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Cobbled together parts gun.  
I'd go $400 on it just for parts.

He won't budge from $600, it's not worth that to me.  



Jumbled up mess is right, that's what it looked like to me but I don't know much about older stuff.  





 
1/15/2016 2:14:07 PM EDT
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Del-Ton also has lightweight barrels and barrel kits.



http://www.del-ton.com/Del_Ton_Inc_Barrels_p/bl1028.htm



For about $40 more, you get the whole kit, though.  I built a lightweight A2 and used this:



http://www.del-ton.com/Del_Ton_Barrel_Kit_p/kt1004.htm



Would that be the profile barrel you're looking for?
1/15/2016 2:36:08 PM EDT
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Looks like a junk parts gun you could build a decent NEW repro upper with good parts for the same price.
1/15/2016 2:49:28 PM EDT
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Possible it's a pre-1994:  I checked their website:

"Since its opening in the early nineties, TNW Firearms Inc., has been a leader in the manufacture and development of historical weaponry and accessories. We pride ourselves on preserving firearms history for collectors, museums and movie companies. Our company relocated to Vernonia, Oregon in 1994, where we were able to grow with onsite R&D, testing, and production. TNW conducts much of its business and manufacturing locally and partners with a large network of companies in the greater Portland area. From its first product, the Semi auto Browning 1919, TNW Firearms has grown to provide an array of products expanding into the shooting sports and national defense markets. In 2012 TNW introduced the new Aero Survival Rifle; this original designed firearm incorporated technology and features that had never been used in the carbine rifle market. Working forward from that platform, TNW is currently in development of some exciting new products that will cater to the next generation of sports shooter."
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I never heard of TNW before.

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1/15/2016 2:52:37 PM EDT
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Del-Ton also has lightweight barrels and barrel kits.



http://www.del-ton.com/Del_Ton_Inc_Barrels_p/bl1028.htm



For about $40 more, you get the whole kit, though.  I built a lightweight A2 and used this:



http://www.del-ton.com/Del_Ton_Barrel_Kit_p/kt1004.htm



Would that be the profile barrel you're looking for?
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Yeah I think their 20" lightweight is exactly what I'm looking for.  

 



I don't really need anything authentic or with every little shape and detail.  I just want a carry handle,  20" pencil barrel, and triangle handguards.
1/15/2016 2:56:02 PM EDT
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See what he will take for the upper only. Swap out barrel for proper retro goodness.
Sell old barrel for $100.

1/15/2016 2:58:26 PM EDT
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Possible it's a pre-1994:  I checked their website:

"Since its opening in the early nineties, TNW Firearms Inc., has been a leader in the manufacture and development of historical weaponry and accessories. We pride ourselves on preserving firearms history for collectors, museums and movie companies. Our company relocated to Vernonia, Oregon in 1994, where we were able to grow with onsite R&D, testing, and production. TNW conducts much of its business and manufacturing locally and partners with a large network of companies in the greater Portland area. From its first product, the Semi auto Browning 1919, TNW Firearms has grown to provide an array of products expanding into the shooting sports and national defense markets. In 2012 TNW introduced the new Aero Survival Rifle; this original designed firearm incorporated technology and features that had never been used in the carbine rifle market. Working forward from that platform, TNW is currently in development of some exciting new products that will cater to the next generation of sports shooter."

  No one marked things "multi" back then.



Ok then at most, it's a $600 poor copy of a retro.
1/15/2016 3:03:53 PM EDT
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I've been eyeing that barrel for when it comes back in stock.  

And honestly I don't even care about the lower, I'll just use an Anderson and put an A1 stock on it and be happy.
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Its a parts gun. Barrel looks like an A2 - .75 barrel. Not a A1 .625 barrel. Upper looks like a 1970s A1.
I really want the thinner barrel.  

I will probably just keep looking for an A1 parts kit..


Buy it cheap, get a pencil prifile barrel

Sell of the existing barrel and get on the waiting list for aNodack NDs-601 or NDS-XM16E1 retro lower

and it will look the part of a faux 604
I've been eyeing that barrel for when it comes back in stock.  

And honestly I don't even care about the lower, I'll just use an Anderson and put an A1 stock on it and be happy.

I have one of those barrels and it's a laser.