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4/30/2008 11:29:09 AM EDT
A friend in Norway sent me pictures of some guns his father had laying about.  Most were O/U or SXS shotguns, but he also had this bolt action rifle of some type - anyone know what it is?



apologies for the cell phone pic
4/30/2008 11:29:36 AM EDT
[#1]
Krag-Jorgenson.
4/30/2008 11:32:37 AM EDT
[#2]
that was fast, thanks!
4/30/2008 11:32:40 AM EDT
[#3]

Quoted:
Krag-Jorgenson.


+1.



4/30/2008 11:36:00 AM EDT
[#4]
I handled one in a gun shop a few years ago and was amazed.  I have never felt a bolt slide so smoothly in an action.  Ever.  
4/30/2008 11:37:05 AM EDT
[#5]
Krags are one of the sweetest turn bolts made.

I wish I could find one in good condition for a good price.
4/30/2008 11:43:15 AM EDT
[#6]

Quoted:
I handled one in a gun shop a few years ago and was amazed.  I have never felt a bolt slide so smoothly in an action.  Ever.  


IIRC, part of that is because the Krag-Jorgensen bolt uses a single locking lug.  The Lee-Enfield also has a reputation for smoothness because its' locking lugs are mounted at the rear of the bolt body.  

Krag bolt:


Krag patent drawings:


Krag action diagram:


Disassembly diagram of the US Krag:




4/30/2008 12:26:36 PM EDT
[#7]

Quoted:

Quoted:
I handled one in a gun shop a few years ago and was amazed.  I have never felt a bolt slide so smoothly in an action.  Ever.  


IIRC, part of that is because the Krag-Jorgensen bolt uses a single locking lug.  The Lee-Enfield also has a reputation for smoothness because its' locking lugs are mounted at the rear of the bolt body.  
The single lug makes it lock into battery smoother which is part of it, but mostly what I'm talking about the feel of the bolt as slide back and forth in the receiver.  There's a certain feel to precisely fit, buttery smooth parts that I normally associate with an older, good quality lathe or milling machine.  The bolt on the Krag had that kind of feel through the full range of motion.  The trigger was equally precise.
4/30/2008 12:29:04 PM EDT
[#8]

Quoted:

Quoted:

Quoted:
I handled one in a gun shop a few years ago and was amazed.  I have never felt a bolt slide so smoothly in an action.  Ever.  


IIRC, part of that is because the Krag-Jorgensen bolt uses a single locking lug.  The Lee-Enfield also has a reputation for smoothness because its' locking lugs are mounted at the rear of the bolt body.  
The single lug makes it lock into battery smoother which is part of it, but mostly what I'm talking about the feel of the bolt as slide back and forth in the receiver.  There's a certain feel to precisely fit, buttery smooth parts that I normally associate with an older, good quality lathe or milling machine.  The bolt on the Krag had that kind of feel through the full range of motion.  The trigger was equally precise.


+1
Krags are wonderful rifles.
4/30/2008 12:30:08 PM EDT
[#9]

Quoted:

Quoted:

Quoted:
I handled one in a gun shop a few years ago and was amazed.  I have never felt a bolt slide so smoothly in an action.  Ever.  


IIRC, part of that is because the Krag-Jorgensen bolt uses a single locking lug.  The Lee-Enfield also has a reputation for smoothness because its' locking lugs are mounted at the rear of the bolt body.  
The single lug makes it lock into battery smoother which is part of it, but mostly what I'm talking about the feel of the bolt as slide back and forth in the receiver.  There's a certain feel to precisely fit, buttery smooth parts that I normally associate with an older, good quality lathe or milling machine.  The bolt on the Krag had that kind of feel through the full range of motion.  The trigger was equally precise.


I wonder what the hardness of the metal was.  Actions made from relatively hard heat-treated steel tend to be smoother.  This is also the case with some of the Springfield rifles.  
4/30/2008 12:43:11 PM EDT
[#10]

I believe the saying of the time was "Civilize 'em with a Krag"

...or something like that

4/30/2008 12:48:20 PM EDT
[#11]

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I believe the saying of the time was "Civilize 'em with a Krag"

...or something like that



That's part of a song that was popular during the Philippine-American War.



Damn, damn, damn the Filipinos!
Cut throat khakiac ladrones!
Underneath the starry flag,
Civilize them with a Krag,
And return us to our beloved home.

4/30/2008 1:42:57 PM EDT
[#12]
Here's my !898 made in 1901:

4/30/2008 1:46:58 PM EDT
[#13]
My uncle has two in his collection, and they are both very nice handling and shooting firearms
4/30/2008 1:51:20 PM EDT
[#14]
I fail as a US military arms collector because I don't have anything older than an M1903-A3.

4/30/2008 3:19:36 PM EDT
[#15]
I actually had a Krag Jorgeson in my hands once in a gun shop.  I could have had it for $200 and I passed it by out of ignorance.
4/30/2008 3:22:22 PM EDT
[#16]
"Underneath a Starry Flag, Civilize 'Em with a Krag, and return us to our happy home!"

I owned a cut down 1896 rifle for about 2 years, sold it for a Winchester 54 in 30-06.  I want a 1896 or 1899 carbine, but God are they expensive.
4/30/2008 3:37:48 PM EDT
[#17]
Krags used to be as common as dirt around here when I was a kid.

Most were cut down and sporterized DCM rifles that were mail order puchased back in the 50's and 60's.

There are still a on of them in deer camps every year.
The Ballistics of the 30-40 are darn near perfect for medium game, and recoil is negligable.

The "Buttery smooth" action is from old school heat treated and hardened steel.
Back in the day beore Gen. Hatcher took the heat treat guys at Springfield armory to school, heat treat was done by eyeball, and a LOT of Krags and early low numbered 1903's are out there with less than perfect heat treat/action strength.

If ya buy one and load your own, don't push the pressures. Just a caveat from a guy who has blown up one, and loads for a couple folks in the family.

Keep the loads about mid range as they are listed, and go with a slower burning powder to keep the pressure curve longer.

Krags are really cool and so well made they make ya wonder why the hell we need CNC.

Stay safe!!
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