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10/21/2009 4:32:10 PM EDT
I may (and I stress may) have access in the near future to a high speed camera (1.4 million FPS).  Obviously, the plan is to take the camera to the range.  Bullets hitting steel targets have been done too many times to count.  I already plan on some AR-15 and 1911 shots but probably want to concentrate on impact videos.  So, ARFCOM, what would you like to see?
10/20/2009 6:11:28 PM EDT
[#1]
Water jugs.
10/20/2009 6:17:11 PM EDT
[#2]
cinder blocks
10/20/2009 6:18:00 PM EDT
[#3]
Gelatin
10/20/2009 6:19:18 PM EDT
[#4]
An In-N-Out Double Double, Animal Style
10/20/2009 6:21:22 PM EDT
[#5]
Water jugs are a definite, cinder blocks (or similar) very likely.  Gelatin is too much trouble.
10/20/2009 6:21:38 PM EDT
[#6]
I think glass would make for a good show. Big mess though. or a thick stack of paper might be cool looking as well.
10/20/2009 6:22:42 PM EDT
[#7]
Oh, please keep in mind that my range rules require me to clean up anything I shoot at so nothing too hard to clean up.
10/20/2009 6:23:21 PM EDT
[#8]
Quoted:
I think glass would make for a good show. Big mess though. or a thick stack of paper might be cool looking as well.


I can add paper to the list.  Perhaps a phone book.
10/20/2009 6:28:15 PM EDT
[#9]
How about a wet phone book.  That would be interesting.   I've heard that it's a poor mans ballistics gelatin.
10/20/2009 6:32:19 PM EDT
[#10]
Quoted:
How about a wet phone book.  That would be interesting.   I've heard that it's a poor mans ballistics gelatin.


I can do that.  Not sure how wet it needs to be but I can give it a try.
10/20/2009 6:34:38 PM EDT
[#11]
Major tag to see the end product.

Great idea!
10/20/2009 6:42:27 PM EDT
[#12]
Tannerite, I'd like to see how the explosion starts.
10/20/2009 6:44:24 PM EDT
[#13]
tagscribe
10/20/2009 6:44:44 PM EDT
[#14]
I'd like to see some ejection-port action, myself.  And some muzzle action.
10/20/2009 6:47:34 PM EDT
[#15]
Quoted:
Oh, please keep in mind that my range rules require me to clean up anything I shoot at so nothing too hard to clean up.


So a cat is out of the question?  
10/20/2009 6:49:27 PM EDT
[#16]
Quoted:
Tannerite, I'd like to see how the explosion starts.


Awesome idea... but I can't do it.  I don't have any and it would probably take too long to get approval from the range to shoot explosives.
10/20/2009 6:50:07 PM EDT
[#17]
Quoted:
I'd like to see some ejection-port action, myself.  And some muzzle action.


This
Bullet exiting the muzzle would be cool,,,,,,,i think
10/20/2009 6:50:08 PM EDT
[#18]
Quoted:
I'd like to see some ejection-port action, myself.  And some muzzle action.


Absolutely!
10/20/2009 6:50:46 PM EDT
[#19]
2 liter coke bottle?  Shook of course.
10/20/2009 6:50:55 PM EDT
[#20]
Quoted:
Quoted:
Oh, please keep in mind that my range rules require me to clean up anything I shoot at so nothing too hard to clean up.


So a cat is out of the question?  


Um... if you supply the cat AND clean it up...
10/20/2009 6:56:08 PM EDT
[#21]
Quoted:
2 liter coke bottle?  Shook of course.


And waste perfectly good Coke???  I think not.  


Seriously though, are you expecting something much different than a jug of water?  If it is the pressure inside you want to see I might try with a bottle of Diet Coke (maybe do Coke Zero and make a new commercial for regular Coke??).  I'll add it to the list of potential shots.
10/20/2009 6:58:00 PM EDT
[#22]
things that amount to cover or impediments to bullets.

auto glass, car doors, house walls, block/bricks, trees, fire hydrants, steel posts, concrete curbs, basically anything YOU might need to hide behind and want to see what a bullet does when it hits it.
10/20/2009 7:10:06 PM EDT
[#23]
Quoted:
things that amount to cover or impediments to bullets.

auto glass, car doors, house walls, block/bricks, trees, fire hydrants, steel posts, concrete curbs, basically anything YOU might need to hide behind and want to see what a bullet does when it hits it.


Can definitely so some of those... will depend on what I can get a hold of.
10/20/2009 7:21:31 PM EDT
[#24]
Videos of the action cycling, especially if you can find ones that have typical jams: FTF, FTE, Stove piping, etc.  I think this would be good instruction for diagnosis when someone has these kinds of problems.

If your depth of field is also long enough, trying to capture the barrel vibrations on a thin rifle barrel likewise would be instructive; as would capturing the bullet in its first few feet of flight from the rear.  The latter might pick-up the yaw and initial spiral path.  You might need a stretched string for a straight-line reference, however.
10/20/2009 7:37:41 PM EDT
[#25]
Shaken up bottle of Bud Light.  Seriously.
10/20/2009 7:45:26 PM EDT
[#26]
How about a big piece of meat like a roast, or a turkey maybe? I also thought the pic in the ammo oracle of a bullet yawing after passing thru an orange was pretty neat.
10/20/2009 8:39:36 PM EDT
[#27]
A view with the camer being at a 1-2o'clock position looking at the shooer, it would be cool to see it at that angle and possibly the bullet leaving the barrel, not sure if 1.4 million fps is fast enough for that though

The COOLEST thing you could do, would be getting a 5.56 tracer igniting,but that would be almost impossible.
10/21/2009 8:16:20 AM EDT
[#28]
How about balloons?  One just aired up and one water balloon.  Like to see if the water balloon will act like a soap bubble.
10/21/2009 8:40:12 AM EDT
[#29]
Are tracers allowed?
10/21/2009 9:18:08 AM EDT
[#30]
Years back, we would shoot blocks of lead with various calibers and note the shape and depth of the projectiles damage. Was amazed at what the tiny,fast bullets would do. Left some awesome craters, while slower pistol bullets would just melt into the block with a splat. I would think this would be of interest, but the splatter would possibly be a hazard to the camera. Then, we'd remelt the blocks and do it again (may have caused dain bramage). That little 17 Remington just drilled thru, big bores slammed the block and moved them.
Just thinking would be neat to actually see the impact...
10/21/2009 9:23:24 AM EDT
[#31]
Quoted:
Tannerite, I'd like to see how the explosion starts.


That cleans itself up!

Eta- Let a liberal weakling take the shot with a larger rifle. I'd like to see a slo-mo video of an eye socket being resized by a scope.
10/21/2009 10:45:58 AM EDT
[#32]
Why go to a range? Just find a good area a blow shit up.



A panel of glass would be very cool. Paint can? Someones hand would be pretty cool too

10/21/2009 11:31:25 AM EDT
[#33]
Plexiglass sheet. It would be cool if you could get it thick enough to stop the bullet then put the camera behind the sheet. You might get lucky enough to watch the bullet open up.
10/21/2009 11:40:39 AM EDT
[#34]
I'd like to see video of:

a couple slabs of ribs sandwiching some ballistic gel or something getting shot
a lightweight barrel, M4 profile barrel, and M4A1 profile barrel after firing to see the difference
different flash suppressors while firing at night
40mm round exiting the barrel
a kaboom

a lot of the things suggested have already been done on Time Warp, Mythbusters, and others.
10/21/2009 11:44:10 AM EDT
[#35]
Cycle of operation and muzzle blast...
10/21/2009 11:50:50 AM EDT
[#36]
Quoted:
Videos of the action cycling, especially if you can find ones that have typical jams: FTF, FTE, Stove piping, etc.  I think this would be good instruction for diagnosis when someone has these kinds of problems.

If your depth of field is also long enough, trying to capture the barrel vibrations on a thin rifle barrel likewise would be instructive; as would capturing the bullet in its first few feet of flight from the rear.  The latter might pick-up the yaw and initial spiral path.  You might need a stretched string for a straight-line reference, however.


The only weapon I have that ever jams is a .22LR upper when it is dirty.  I doubt that will show what you want.

The thinnest barrel I have is a gov. profile on a Stag 2L.  Distinguishing vibration from actual recoil and rifle movement might be pretty hard, but getting a bullet in the initial few feet of flight is definitely a high priority.
10/21/2009 11:52:31 AM EDT
[#37]
Quoted:
How about a big piece of meat like a roast, or a turkey maybe? I also thought the pic in the ammo oracle of a bullet yawing after passing thru an orange was pretty neat.


If someone tells me they are getting rid of a bad piece of meat I will grab it.  Otherwise, I doubt I will spend the money on good food just to shoot it.
10/21/2009 11:54:20 AM EDT
[#38]
On that Time Warp show on the Discovery Channel they shot a group of baloons with a shotgun.  They were really cool when they blew up.  So, my vote goes to balloons and/ or water balloons.  Cheap and easy...
10/21/2009 11:55:15 AM EDT
[#39]
Quoted:
A view with the camer being at a 1-2o'clock position looking at the shooer, it would be cool to see it at that angle and possibly the bullet leaving the barrel, not sure if 1.4 million fps is fast enough for that though

The COOLEST thing you could do, would be getting a 5.56 tracer igniting,but that would be almost impossible.


Not sure about the angle, but will definitely get bullet flight out of the barrel.  Camera speed will not be an issue.

Can’t do tracers.  Not allowed at the range without special permission (fire hazard) and the odds of being able to position the camera in the correct spot to get ignition is probably impossible.
10/21/2009 11:59:25 AM EDT
[#40]
Quoted:
I agree with full beer cans, regardless of party foul.

Maybe a bag of flour or powdered sugar?

CRT computer monitor, turned on of course



No CRT... glass is too much trouble to clean up.  Will add the others to the list of potentials.
10/21/2009 12:00:18 PM EDT
[#41]
Quoted:
Zombies



If you find me one I can guarantee shots of it
10/21/2009 12:01:52 PM EDT
[#42]
Quoted:
Quoted:
Quoted:
Oh, please keep in mind that my range rules require me to clean up anything I shoot at so nothing too hard to clean up.


So a cat is out of the question?  


Um... if you supply the cat AND clean it up...


WIN!!!

10/21/2009 12:03:16 PM EDT
[#43]
Quoted:
If u Have a Varmint Type rifle like a RRA Bull barrel in 20 or 24 inch see if  you can pick up barrel whip like in video

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ozyw84Swmb4


This will probably be included in the shots of bullets leaving the barrel.
10/21/2009 12:03:53 PM EDT
[#44]
Quoted:
How about balloons?  One just aired up and one water balloon.  Like to see if the water balloon will act like a soap bubble.


Definitely on the list.
10/21/2009 12:05:15 PM EDT
[#45]
Quoted:
Are tracers allowed?


Nope.
10/21/2009 12:05:50 PM EDT
[#46]
5 gal bucket of water vs. 50 cal + expanding ammo

I can supply all 3 if you can make it here.
10/21/2009 12:06:26 PM EDT
[#47]
Quoted:
Years back, we would shoot blocks of lead with various calibers and note the shape and depth of the projectiles damage. Was amazed at what the tiny,fast bullets would do. Left some awesome craters, while slower pistol bullets would just melt into the block with a splat. I would think this would be of interest, but the splatter would possibly be a hazard to the camera. Then, we'd remelt the blocks and do it again (may have caused dain bramage). That little 17 Remington just drilled thru, big bores slammed the block and moved them.
Just thinking would be neat to actually see the impact...


Would definitely be cool to see.  I don't have large blocks of lead and it would probably put the $10,000 camera (which I don't own) at too much risk.
10/21/2009 12:09:23 PM EDT
[#48]
Quoted:
Plexiglass sheet. It would be cool if you could get it thick enough to stop the bullet then put the camera behind the sheet. You might get lucky enough to watch the bullet open up.


Getting plexiglass thick enough for the job (and testing it) would become very expensive.  If I can even get the camera I certainly will not be allowed to put it in the flight path of a bullet.
10/21/2009 12:12:16 PM EDT
[#49]
Quoted:
I'd like to see video of:

a couple slabs of ribs sandwiching some ballistic gel or something getting shot
a lightweight barrel, M4 profile barrel, and M4A1 profile barrel after firing to see the difference
different flash suppressors while firing at night
40mm round exiting the barrel
a kaboom

a lot of the things suggested have already been done on Time Warp, Mythbusters, and others.


Don't have any ballistic gel.
Will definitely be using different guns but don't have all those profiles (actually, I don't have any of those).
Can only fire guns at the range 1 hour after sunset.  Not sure it will be dark enough.
Don't have one.
Would never plan to get one and certainly won't pull the trigger if I expect one.
10/21/2009 12:14:54 PM EDT
[#50]
Quoted:
5 gal bucket of water vs. 50 cal + expanding ammo

I can supply all 3 if you can make it here.


Sounds like fun but probably not worth the drive.  Would love to see the video, though.
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