[ARCHIVED THREAD] - Home explosions continue across the country, catastrophic trend shows no signs of stopping -CBS (Page 1 of 4)
Posted: 12/21/2024 11:44:51 PM EDT
Natural gas and propane must be banned!  Home explosions continue across the country, catastrophic trend shows no signs of stopping |
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Quoted: Fear porn to drum up support for banning gas in homes, now that it’s a climate change boogeyman I guess the leveled house with a dead child in it down the road is just bullshit right? Those 60+ year old pipes failing are also fake and gay.  Im not for banning gas, dont get me wrong. Im for fixing our infrastructure before it kills me. |
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Quoted: Im not for banning gas, dont get me wrong. Im for fixing our infrastructure before it kills me. Sorry brother. No can do. Congress needs pay raises, other countries need our money more, some illegals need iPhone 16s, oh and some Congress critter has some pet project that needs to be paid for. Infrastructure is last. |
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Quoted: Sorry brother. No can do. Congress needs pay raises, other countries need our money more, some illegals need iPhone 16s, oh and some Congress critter has some pet project that needs to be paid for. Infrastructure is last. It is so much worse than that. Those pipes are not even owned by Americans. |
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Gas detectors are a thing in RV’s… Last one I saw was a combo carbon-monoxide / propane / natural gas alarm…loud as fock too if it was triggered…. If I had a home with gas, guaranteed I’d have at least a couple in a strategic locations. On a related note….we all know there’s NEVER been a house fire because of old wiring… |
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Come with me, and you'll see Homes aflame, from gas debris. What’s that smell? It’s propane, Leaking out without refrain. There’s no sign, no slowing down, Homes can crumble, all around. Gas is near, it’s in the air, Danger’s lurking everywhere! **Gas and propane, don’t ignore the sign, If it’s leaking, things might blow… so beware! Gas and propane, it’s a ticking time, Is your house safe? Don’t you dare!** You’ll smell it, you’ll feel it, so beware! Just a spark, and it’s all gone up in the air. Turn the valve, call the man, Get it checked, you can’t plan! When it’s leaking, it’s too late, Better act now, don’t tempt fate! Gas and propane, fire’s on the rise, If you don’t check, you’re in for a surprise! **Gas and propane, it’s a risk you’ll take, When you’re careless with your pipes or your flame! Gas and propane, it’s a dangerous thing, Take precautions, don’t ignore the warning!** |
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Quoted: I guess the leveled house with a dead child in it down the road is just bullshit right? Those 60+ year old pipes failing are also fake and gay. Im not for banning gas, dont get me wrong. Im for fixing our infrastructure before it kills me. Quoted: Quoted: Fear porn to drum up support for banning gas in homes, now that it’s a climate change boogeyman I guess the leveled house with a dead child in it down the road is just bullshit right? Those 60+ year old pipes failing are also fake and gay. Im not for banning gas, dont get me wrong. Im for fixing our infrastructure before it kills me. The "infrastructure" isn't responsible for hardly any of these explosions. In almost all cases it's either operator error or failure to maintain the privately-owned appliances and gas systems within the home. Skipped leak tests, old/faulty gas lines within the home, DIY stuff that works until it doesn't, etc. It's a hot topic right now because of the environmental concerns. They're not using these events to garner support so they can fix the infrastructure. They're using these events to justify not longer using it at all. You won't be able to afford heat and you'll be cold all the time, but I guess you'll be happy because no more house explosions. |
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Quoted: House in Utah blew up and killed a teenager from fucked up old natural gas lines Propane does the same and in the same state, ask another longtime member that one of you banned. ETA: Tried to make it less accusatory. I don't know who banned who, just that it was another BS ban. |
| I’ve repaired leaking gas lines in occupied homes that I could smell from the outside before I even entered and they didn’t explode. These exploding homes have to be unoccupied, along with neighbors not reporting gas smells to the gas company. Maybe the newer homes are sealed up enough to create the right conditions. The most common leak I found around here was caused by shitty installations. The next most common was bad pro press fittings on copper pipe. Around here, gas lines are L copper, black iron pipe, or tract pipe. Tracing gas leaks in tract pipe is impossible unless it’s at a joint. |
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Quoted: Gas detectors are a thing in RV’s… Last one I saw was a combo carbon-monoxide / propane / natural gas alarm…loud as fock too if it was triggered…. If I had a home with gas, guaranteed I’d have at least a couple in a strategic locations. On a related note….we all know there’s NEVER been a house fire because of old wiring… CO, Nat Gas, Smoke, etc. I've got all of them, and in the proper locations. CO detector was going off this week, and detected a leak in the furnace exhaust-pipe before anything was dangerous. |
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Some cities might own their own systems but many are corporate owned. Worked for a gas contractor for a lot of years . Everything was fairly well monitored and upgraded as needed in the towns we worked in . Bit of sensationalism by that newscaster. Who owns the systems ? Many are owned by utilities also supplying power . Electrification trends could result in neglected maintenance and upgrades . She didn't mention that did she ? |
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Quoted: I’ve repaired leaking gas lines in occupied homes that I could smell from the outside before I even entered and they didn’t explode. These exploding homes have to be unoccupied, along with neighbors not reporting gas smells to the gas company. So, the one in Utah. The leak was, IIRC, over 100 feet from the home. It was outside of their yard, out of the subdivision, and under a main road. The nat gas kept building up and building up underground, I presume along the pipe. No natural gas was smelled in the home prior to the day of. The day of, the kids went to school and the parents went to work. In the afternoon, the wife got one kid from school and dropped him off in the driveway, then drove off to get an older kid from a different school. Before she could get back, the home had blown up and her kid was dead. Also, the main line that failed and let the gas out was a type of line that they quit using decades ago precisely because it failed. |
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Quoted: The "infrastructure" isn't responsible for hardly any of these explosions. In almost all cases it's either operator error or failure to maintain the privately-owned appliances and gas systems within the home. Skipped leak tests, old/faulty gas lines within the home, DIY stuff that works until it doesn't, etc. It's a hot topic right now because of the environmental concerns. They're not using these events to garner support so they can fix the infrastructure. They're using these events to justify not longer using it at all. You won't be able to afford heat and you'll be cold all the time, but I guess you'll be happy because no more house explosions. |
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I used to sniff gas (for real). Lots of exercise back in the day walking mile and miles and miles everyday with a map and special backpack attached to a "walking hose sniffer" checking for gas leaks. Only found one really bad one, pretty easy to see when the dead grass in orange and goes in a straight line where an underground pipe would be. Sometimes meters had small leaks, but I didn't bother with those. |
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Electric fires with water heaters/heat pumps/stoves are nasty as well. I will take natgas over electric for heating any day. One fuckup with 220v and 50amp service to a water heater and you deaded. I can open a window/door to our furnace room and avoid a kaboom real quickly. Something quite fucky with the article |
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Quoted: The "infrastructure" isn't responsible for hardly any of these explosions. In almost all cases it's either operator error or failure to maintain the privately-owned appliances and gas systems within the home. Skipped leak tests, old/faulty gas lines within the home, DIY stuff that works until it doesn't, etc. It's a hot topic right now because of the environmental concerns. They're not using these events to garner support so they can fix the infrastructure. They're using these events to justify not longer using it at all. You won't be able to afford heat and you'll be cold all the time, but I guess you'll be happy because no more house explosions. An expert in fire explosions would refute you assertions. “… These were just some of the sudden, devastating explosions that made 2023 the deadliest year since 2004 for gas-fed explosions. Data collected by the Pipeline and Hazardous Materials Safety Administration (PHMSA) reported 23 fatalities last year. That was more than four times higher than the year before, which had five deaths. Rich Meier is a fire explosion expert who has investigated more than 500 fires and explosions — involving both natural gas and propane. He told Spotlight on America natural gas and gas pipelines are involved in these catastrophic explosions about half the time or more in his experience. “There are lines that have been in place for over a hundred years, and these are generally cast iron or steel, and they are breaking,” he said. Meier says aging infrastructure is a major risk factor for explosions. Old, corroded, gas pipelines are more likely to crack and leak, which could lead to gas migrating underground into people's homes and causing an explosion. “I had one case in Detroit where it was about a 100-year-old cast iron pipe that had broken due to ground subsidence. There was another case up there that was an old steel pipe that was about 80 years old that had rusted through on numerous occasions and just been patched over and over and over,” Meier said. When asked to grade the state of our natural gas pipeline infrastructure in the United States, he said, “I would not give it an ‘A,’ that's for sure. I'd probably give it, maybe a ‘C,' maybe a ‘C-minus.’” Besides aging infrastructure, other significant issues that can cause leaks that lead to explosions include construction work, where pipes can be damaged during digging, and malfunctioning equipment, like gas meters and mercury regulators. …” https://thenationaldesk.com/news/spotlight-on-america/2023-deadliest-year-for-gas-related-home-explosions-in-20-years |
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Quoted: So, the one in Utah. The leak was, IIRC, over 100 feet from the home. It was outside of their yard, out of the subdivision, and under a main road. The nat gas kept building up and building up underground, I presume along the pipe. No natural gas was smelled in the home prior to the day of. The day of, the kids went to school and the parents went to work. In the afternoon, the wife got one kid from school and dropped him off in the driveway, then drove off to get an older kid from a different school. Before she could get back, the home had blown up and her kid was dead. Nearly identical situation occurred in 2017 in Firestone, Colorado. It was probably the most investigated home explosion, even the NTSB investigated it. The source was a natural gas pipeline over 100 feet away from the home. |
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Quoted: I used to sniff gas (for real). Lots of exercise back in the day walking mile and miles and miles everyday with a map and special backpack attached to a "walking hose sniffer" checking for gas leaks. Only found one really bad one, pretty easy to see when the dead grass in orange and goes in a straight line where an underground pipe would be. Sometimes meters had small leaks, but I didn't bother with those. Company men did the leak surveys and found the leaks. The contractor I worked for then got dispatched for the repairs . Plenty of minor ones over the years and a few where we worked all night to repair . Never saw an explosion in a 40 yeartime period . Might add Directional Drilling will be the cause for many of these leaks . |
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Quoted: An expert in fire explosions would refute you assertions. “… These were just some of the sudden, devastating explosions that made 2023 the deadliest year since 2004 for gas-fed explosions. Data collected by the Pipeline and Hazardous Materials Safety Administration (PHMSA) reported 23 fatalities last year. That was more than four times higher than the year before, which had five deaths. Rich Meier is a fire explosion expert who has investigated more than 500 fires and explosions — involving both natural gas and propane. He told Spotlight on America natural gas and gas pipelines are involved in these catastrophic explosions about half the time or more in his experience. “There are lines that have been in place for over a hundred years, and these are generally cast iron or steel, and they are breaking,” he said. Meier says aging infrastructure is a major risk factor for explosions. Old, corroded, gas pipelines are more likely to crack and leak, which could lead to gas migrating underground into people's homes and causing an explosion. “I had one case in Detroit where it was about a 100-year-old cast iron pipe that had broken due to ground subsidence. There was another case up there that was an old steel pipe that was about 80 years old that had rusted through on numerous occasions and just been patched over and over and over,” Meier said. When asked to grade the state of our natural gas pipeline infrastructure in the United States, he said, “I would not give it an ‘A,’ that's for sure. I'd probably give it, maybe a ‘C,' maybe a ‘C-minus.’” Besides aging infrastructure, other significant issues that can cause leaks that lead to explosions include construction work, where pipes can be damaged during digging, and malfunctioning equipment, like gas meters and mercury regulators. …” https://thenationaldesk.com/news/spotlight-on-america/2023-deadliest-year-for-gas-related-home-explosions-in-20-years Attached File |
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Quoted: I have no clue what you're talking about. Quoted: Quoted: Propane does the same and in the same state, ask another longtime member that one of you banned. ETA: Tried to make it less accusatory. I don't know who banned who, just that it was another BS ban. Attached File |
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Quoted: Thanks. I like SCW and was sad to know he was banned since he was a net positive to arfcom. I have his phone number around here somewhere and you’ve prompted me that I should reach out since it’s been a while… Quoted: Quoted: SCW He got banned a couple of years ago because he questioned a badge bunny or some silly shit. His banning was the inception of my case of chronic eye rolling at everything the hall monitors here do. Their actions simply lost all validity, and I lost all respect for them. To refresh your memory, he was the one that saved his kids in the house explosion. They were all badly burned, and most at a very young age (4 years and under I'd guess). I'd use words like horrific and grotesque to describe the injuries, but those are temporary words and the whole family healed together and made some wonderful and beautiful kids. He and the family are all doing well, they live a pretty damn awesome and successful life, and he continues to fight hard for the 2A. In contrast, the mods continue to do colon flexing exercises in an effort to achieve a new Brownell's/Arfcom record! I'll probably be banned for this, but oh well...that's what happened. Thanks. I like SCW and was sad to know he was banned since he was a net positive to arfcom. I have his phone number around here somewhere and you’ve prompted me that I should reach out since it’s been a while… He's a great guy, and was a huge net positive. Our professional lives cross a bit, and he was working with me for a bit this past year. He employs a bunch of Arfcom's best, including the legendary Ben who successfully built and registered the first legal frag grenade. Hard to find a more honest and hardworking person. But mods gonna mod. i need to give him a ring as well, but be sure to give him a "Hello" from me if you do it in the next few weeks. |
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Jeezus... Google AI Sez... natural gas vs electric fires in homes statistics: "According to data from the National Fire Protection Association (NFPA), while both types of fires occur, electrical fires are generally considered more prevalent than natural gas fires in homes, with statistics showing a significantly higher number of electrical fires reported each year, often linked to issues like faulty wiring and appliances; however, natural gas leaks can still lead to substantial fire risks when ignited" I'll stick with natural gas to heat my home safely and cheaply. Screw the greeny weeny commies...send them to North Korea to freeze and starve. I want a nice warm home for low dollars. 
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Quoted: I guess the leveled house with a dead child in it down the road is just bullshit right? Those 60+ year old pipes failing are also fake and gay. Im not for banning gas, dont get me wrong. Im for fixing our infrastructure before it kills me. Quoted: Quoted: Fear porn to drum up support for banning gas in homes, now that it’s a climate change boogeyman I guess the leveled house with a dead child in it down the road is just bullshit right? Those 60+ year old pipes failing are also fake and gay. Im not for banning gas, dont get me wrong. Im for fixing our infrastructure before it kills me. How many people die and houses burn down from electrical issues? After almost 40 years in the NG field, I can honestly say people are afraid of the wrong things most of the time and retards the rest of the time. I went to ONE NG Kaboom fatality and countless electrical caused house fires and multiple fatalities. [the NG one was from a dig in done by a company that would literally tell us NG workers they didn't give a fvck if they hit our stuff because it was cheaper and faster then avoiding it. The state didn't give enough of a fvck to stop them. ] VERY few people have even the slightest clue on the frequency of leak surveying done by their NG company. Now propane companies, yeah, they aren't even on the same playing field.............. For the last 4-5 year before I retired, we used a hand held laser costing around 13K each to detect gas leaks. EVERY gas service vehicle had one. You could pick up leaks 100's of feet away. LZ30's were the ones we had. Awesome piece of kit. Homeowners are total retards when it comes to ''fixing'' their own stuff, most are so dumb they don't even soap connections. Installers of appliances are just about at the same level of skill. PS, if I see pipe dope on a wedge type gas fitting, a retard was here. |
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A house blew up recently in Missouri. https://abc17news.com/news/jefferson-city/2024/12/04/natural-gas-leak-suspected-in-jefferson-city-house-explosion-report-states/ "Firefighters noted a possible natural gas leak at a house explosion in Jefferson City on Saturday. However, the cause of ignition is still under investigation, according to a fire incident report. The explosion leveled the home on 2432 St. Louis Road, leaving an empty plot of ash and damage to neighboring homes." |
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Quoted: Thanks arf. Just ordered a kidde natural gas detector and a portable 'sniffer' to check current appliances/joints. (Old house) Soap and water is perfectly fine to check fittings and connections and is still mandatory to verify repairs and leaks even if you have +$10K gas detecting tools. |
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Quoted: Ban natural gas. Everything must be electric. Because electricity is infinite. Fucking stupid fucks making goat fuckers seem smart. In south American countries, when the population gets uppity, the first think the governments do is shut the juice off in those areas where the unrest is going on. Going full electric means giving the government the capability to completely end all modern utilities. Sort of like how the government's foaming at the mouth to make electric car makers to install remote kill switches. |
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Quoted: There was somebody here who is a retired firefighter that had a guy from his old department get severely burnt from a house explosion. If I remember correctly, another firefighter was killed. It’s a very real problem. That was me, I just saw the video come across my YouTube feed. The firefighter fatality mentioned at 4:50 in the video is my old department. 11 guys total got hurt, 1 with severe burns, plus the two homeowners. My former boss got burned up and trapped in the basement but his burns weren’t as bad as the other guy. The dead guy had the unfortunate circumstance of standing in the front door right at the moment of the blast and took the full brunt of the pressure wave. DRT. They just charged the propane delivery driver with manslaughter over it. |
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23 fatalities out of 350,000,000 people. I will take the risk. |
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Quoted: I guess the leveled house with a dead child in it down the road is just bullshit right? Those 60+ year old pipes failing are also fake and gay. Im not for banning gas, dont get me wrong. Im for fixing our infrastructure before it kills me. I guess having responsibility for your own property is bullshit. It's not an infrastructure issue. It's not the roads blowing up. It's neglected and unmaintained plumbing on private property. It's not my job to keep you safe. That's on you and only you. |
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Quoted: I guess the leveled house with a dead child in it down the road is just bullshit right? Those 60+ year old pipes failing are also fake and gay. Im not for banning gas, dont get me wrong. Im for fixing our infrastructure before it kills me. Don't act like it isnt legitimate. |
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Quoted: That was me, I just saw the video come across my YouTube feed. The firefighter fatality mentioned at 4:50 in the video is my old department. 11 guys total got hurt, 1 with severe burns, plus the two homeowners. My former boss got burned up and trapped in the basement but his burns weren’t as bad as the other guy. The dead guy had the unfortunate circumstance of standing in the front door right at the moment of the blast and took the full brunt of the pressure wave. DRT. They just charged the propane delivery driver with manslaughter over it. Quoted: Quoted: There was somebody here who is a retired firefighter that had a guy from his old department get severely burnt from a house explosion. If I remember correctly, another firefighter was killed. It’s a very real problem. That was me, I just saw the video come across my YouTube feed. The firefighter fatality mentioned at 4:50 in the video is my old department. 11 guys total got hurt, 1 with severe burns, plus the two homeowners. My former boss got burned up and trapped in the basement but his burns weren’t as bad as the other guy. The dead guy had the unfortunate circumstance of standing in the front door right at the moment of the blast and took the full brunt of the pressure wave. DRT. They just charged the propane delivery driver with manslaughter over it. The gentleman that you had mentioned awhile back on here that was in the burn ward. How’s he doing now? I knew it sounded like a slow and painful road for awhile. |
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Quoted: I guess having responsibility for your own property is bullshit. It's not an infrastructure issue. It's not the roads blowing up. It's neglected and unmaintained plumbing on private property. It's not my job to keep you safe. That's on you and only you. Quoted: I guess having responsibility for your own property is bullshit. It's not an infrastructure issue. It's not the roads blowing up. It's neglected and unmaintained plumbing on private property. It's not my job to keep you safe. That's on you and only you. Quoted: Maybe if the govt didnt prove that they would try to create fear porn to ge tthe public to do something it wouldnt be an accusation. Don't act like it isnt legitimate. https://www.ksl.com/article/51194335/aging-1976-pipeline-linked-to-south-jordan-house-explosion "Enbridge found a leak about 150 feet northeast of the home on a 4-inch diameter Aldyl A natural gas main it owned and operated. The Aldyl A main was manufactured and installed in 1976," Yall are straight up retarded. But I'm sure you won't come back and retract the statements. |
[ARCHIVED THREAD] - Home explosions continue across the country, catastrophic trend shows no signs of stopping -CBS (Page 1 of 4)
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