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Posted: 11/14/2015 3:30:01 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: A stale baguette and a white flag. Strong work NY. Make sure you only have 7 loafs in your bakers dozen. What kind of double rifle do you have, you may have a good option aleardy |
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Posted: 11/14/2015 3:30:11 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Given your restrictions, I think the best defensive firearm you can own would be a hunting shotgun. Probably true. Even a double barrel, though pump or semi-auto (if legal) would be better. |
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Posted: 11/14/2015 3:30:20 PM EST
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This is what I was thinking, Winchester Model 1897 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Winchester_Model_1897 Quote HistoryQuoted:
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What's the legality on a pump shotgun, even a very old one that fits your year criteria? This is what I was thinking, Winchester Model 1897 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Winchester_Model_1897 Probably a no go. Europeans are terrified of pump shotguns. |
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Posted: 11/14/2015 3:30:25 PM EST
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A stale baguette and a white flag. That's a classless turd for someone to drop; even here in GD. 
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Posted: 11/14/2015 3:31:09 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: What about some kind of lever action rifle? Also a good suggestion. Better than a shotgun, to be sure. |
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Posted: 11/14/2015 3:32:08 PM EST
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I'm not sure a second old double barrel as a NY reload is a bad idea.
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Posted: 11/14/2015 3:32:25 PM EST
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What are rules for black powder pistols and rifles. There are some nice modern rifles/pistols if not regulated
I'd consider a lever action in a pistol caliber, but the pre 1900 ammo isn't modern pistol. Maybe something in .38 or 30-30 |
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Posted: 11/14/2015 3:33:30 PM EST
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Some thoughts on the original question; If you can own blackpowder revolvers Ruger makes the Old Army
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ruger_Old_Army A high quality blackpowder revolver made to modern standards. You can use pyrodex pellets to avoid having loose powder and extra cylinders to speed up reloading. With some practice it would be slightly slower than a speed loader, but still fairly quick, it will also hit with the power of a .44 http://www.cabelas.com/catalog/product.jsp?productId=740665&destination=%2Fcatalog%2Fproduct.jsp%3FproductId%3D739967%26type%3Dproduct A gun you can carry with you or have in your car is better than the long gun at home. If it comes to a pump shotgun or a bolt action rifle for defense, my suggestion would be to choose a pump action shotgun that you can buy new parts for and then purchase the shotgun and replace all the old springs or fatigued parts. There are a number of Winchester pump shotguns reproductions that have parts that match the original models such as the 1897. If you do go for a bolt action rifle and have some extra money mount a red dot optic to it. If the rifle is for close defense then you will probably need to be able to shoot in low light. Also always remember to have good trigger discipline, most of the old weapons do not have a safety. |
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Posted: 11/14/2015 3:34:38 PM EST
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What about some kind of lever action rifle? Winchester 1894? |
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Posted: 11/14/2015 3:34:58 PM EST
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Also a good suggestion. Better than a shotgun, to be sure. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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What about some kind of lever action rifle? Also a good suggestion. Better than a shotgun, to be sure. Especially if the threats are armored (very likely these days). Make sure it is a bottlenecked rifle cartridge capable of penetrating soft armor. |
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Posted: 11/14/2015 3:35:46 PM EST
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How difficult is it to get these permits that allow you to purchase moden pistols? I read an article on TTAG, and if it is correct I would go for a marlin in 44 mag, which they state I could get with a class C hunting license. Not sure what it takes to get class B, but if I were there I would be working on it. You guys need CCW laws more like what we have in most of the US states. Best of luck. Is there any French equivalent to the NRA-ILA? If so, put up a link, I would happily support them.
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Posted: 11/14/2015 3:37:20 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: A stale baguette and a white flag. We and the French have an understanding. It's traditional for us to rip the shit out of each other. You owe them your country. |
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Posted: 11/14/2015 3:38:16 PM EST
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You can buy a modern replica cap and ball revolver at any French gun shop (dunno curret situation). I would certaily not feel unarmed with one given the options.
http://www.fusil-calais.com/fr/222-revolvers-poudre-noire This Belgian arms dealer has quite soem old bolt guns, Transfer inside Europe is less problematic http://www.wapenhandelpodevijn.be/grendel1.html Personally I always liked the Fench .22's with integrated supressor. Ok maybe not the best HD gun but they are sexy and simple to own in France 
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Posted: 11/14/2015 3:38:22 PM EST
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We and the French have an understanding. It's traditional for us to rip the shit out of each other. You owe them your country. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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A stale baguette and a white flag. We and the French have an understanding. It's traditional for us to rip the shit out of each other. You owe them your country. I think we repaid that debt... Twice. sherm8404's comment was in bad taste though. |
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Posted: 11/14/2015 3:39:59 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Could this be considered a walking stick or cane? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: For home defense, I'd suggest a stout walking stick. Cold Steel makes a few, this one is a favorite of mine: http://www.coldsteel.com/Product/91WAS/AFRICAN_WALKING_STICK.aspx Would a rifle work better? You bet. Would this hurt like a SOB to get hit with? Absolutely. $20. I doubt it, it is flexible rubber. |
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Posted: 11/14/2015 3:40:28 PM EST
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Vive la France, some in Arfcom just repeat what they heard from some one else, with no experience what so ever, many of those opinionated afrcomers never wore the uniform, you can bet on that.
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Posted: 11/14/2015 3:41:53 PM EST
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A stale baguette and a white flag. You're "that guy". The one on one wants to be, or be with. |
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Posted: 11/14/2015 3:50:54 PM EST
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Use your scattergun to acquire a ak when the time comes, weapons drive the tactics.
Have a plan and prepare accordingly. 
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Posted: 11/14/2015 4:11:26 PM EST
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Pistol caliber lever gun. Henry would be my pick.
A .357 has great ballistics out of a carbine. Are there ammunition restrictions there? Can you guys get hollow point pistol ammunition? |
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Posted: 11/14/2015 4:24:04 PM EST
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You need a French revolution again to toss the politicians out and restore freedom to the French people so you can carry a pistol to protect yourself and family and have a decent semi-automatic rifle at home.
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Posted: 11/14/2015 4:25:56 PM EST
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I see I got beat to it, but I'll give another vote to the Berthier Carbines in 8mm Lebel. Other options are Krag Carbines, 93 or 95 Mausers, or even M91 Carcanos(I have 3, they get a bad rap in the US because of Oswald but they're great little carbines in 6.5 and 7.35). What would be the legality of cutting down a full size rifle into a manageable carbine? I have a repro 1777 Charleville Flintlock musket(.69cal) that could be cut down to ~20" and be useful for 50-75yds with practice if they are available there.
TL;;DR: If I were in your shoes, I'd try to get one of the more recent WWI/II bolt guns, but a SxS will get the job done. Hell, I Almost forgot, the Steyr M95 in 8x56R. I have one, it's light, handy, and super quick to cycle and load with the manlicher clips. You know what, get this or the Carcano. I wouldn't feel undergunned with either(with a good bit of training), both saw service in WWI and II, and many a Russian/Communist/Eritrean (Hell, British and Americans have been on the receiving end) were killed by them. Steyr M95 
M91 Carcano 
Lebel Berthier 
Good luck brother, stay safe, hope you and yours are ok. |
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Posted: 11/14/2015 4:42:27 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Some thoughts on the original question; If you can own blackpowder revolvers Ruger makes the Old Army https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ruger_Old_Army Quote HistoryQuoted: Some thoughts on the original question; If you can own blackpowder revolvers Ruger makes the Old Army https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ruger_Old_Army ... The Ruger Old Army has been out of production for several years, and the cost for one in good shape has gone way up. If you're going to acquire a new percussion revolver for defense, a Pietta or Uberti replica of the Remington New Model Army is a good choice. I have a few Piettas and the current production ones are on par with Ubertis IMO. |
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Posted: 11/14/2015 4:42:35 PM EST
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What's with all the lever gun advice? Levers are perhaps a fraction of a second faster than a bolt gun. But on reload, the stripper clip equipped bolt gun will leave a lever action way behind. Try sticking a round into a tiny little loading port under stress. I don'the think so. There's a reason why all world militaries adopted bolt actions.
Anyway, my recommendation is a Kar 88 and break-action revolver. And forget about a lever gun. |
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Posted: 11/14/2015 4:46:57 PM EST
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You can buy a modern replica cap and ball revolver at any French gun shop (dunno curret situation). I would certaily not feel unarmed with one given the options. http://www.fusil-calais.com/fr/222-revolvers-poudre-noire This Belgian arms dealer has quite soem old bolt guns, Transfer inside Europe is less problematic http://www.wapenhandelpodevijn.be/grendel1.html Personally I always liked the Fench .22's with integrated supressor. Ok maybe not the best HD gun but they are sexy and simple to own in France http://www.fusil-calais.com/2013-4317-large/carabine-22-lr-armscor-m1400-tm-silence.jpg I'd take that and a bunch of magazines over a hundred year old bolt gun. |
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Posted: 11/14/2015 4:47:19 PM EST
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While it would probably be more expensive than a Swedish M96, I would get a Swede M94 carbine, and a shotgun.
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Posted: 11/14/2015 4:48:11 PM EST
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A stale baguette and a white flag. Way to be a childish dick. I bet this Frenchmen can write better English than someone with your mental capacity despite you being from a English speaking country. |
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Posted: 11/14/2015 4:48:46 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: A stale baguette and a white flag. Maybe he can borrow the one you carried on 4/15/14, tough guy.  The balls on you to shit in a thread started by an 11 year fellow member asking for advice on the day after his nation's 9/11. |
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Posted: 11/14/2015 4:50:10 PM EST
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Your at war get whatever you need to protect your family and country from the savages.
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Posted: 11/14/2015 5:03:52 PM EST
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I'd take that and a bunch of magazines over a hundred year old bolt gun. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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You can buy a modern replica cap and ball revolver at any French gun shop (dunno curret situation). I would certaily not feel unarmed with one given the options. http://www.fusil-calais.com/fr/222-revolvers-poudre-noire This Belgian arms dealer has quite soem old bolt guns, Transfer inside Europe is less problematic http://www.wapenhandelpodevijn.be/grendel1.html Personally I always liked the Fench .22's with integrated supressor. Ok maybe not the best HD gun but they are sexy and simple to own in France http://www.fusil-calais.com/2013-4317-large/carabine-22-lr-armscor-m1400-tm-silence.jpg I'd take that and a bunch of magazines over a hundred year old bolt gun. I have several WWI/II bolt guns I'd trust with my life if I was put in his situation, including some that are heavily shit on in the US. Thankfully I have better options, but our French friends dont. In his situation, I'd want one good condition milsurp bolt carbine, the newer the better and as much ammo as I can afford/legally possess. Then I'd train as much as possible with my setup. What's the saying about "Fear the man with ONE rifle"... |
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Posted: 11/14/2015 5:10:46 PM EST
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What are your laws/availability of components for reloading?
If I were in your shoes, I'd probably try to hunt for a No4Mk1, or better, one of the jungle carbines. Much faster to reload and a higher capacity than a shotgun or most lever guns, and they can be fired quicker than most other bolt guns due to the smooth, cock on close action. They're also handy guns when the barrel is cut to a reasonable length. |
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Posted: 11/14/2015 5:15:36 PM EST
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My uncle in Norway still hunts with a WWII Swedish Mauser in 6.5x55.
His has match rifle markings I believe. |
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Posted: 11/14/2015 5:17:31 PM EST
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SAA Colt and Win 1886 SBR.
Do both of those qualify? I think they make overall great end of the world guns. |
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Posted: 11/14/2015 5:18:36 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuote History |
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Posted: 11/14/2015 5:19:49 PM EST
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Please knock off the personal attacks in this thread, no matter how appropriate they might seem.
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Posted: 11/14/2015 5:22:20 PM EST
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What about some kind of lever action rifle? Exactly, an 1894 30/30. |
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Posted: 11/14/2015 5:25:32 PM EST
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I don't know much about self defence laws in France, but I do know plenty of French guys that drive up and come over on the ferry to shoot our Service Rifle matches at Bisley.
They live in and around Paris and seem to have plenty of guns at home, inc handguns and AR15's, so figure out what they're doing and go do it yourself 
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Posted: 11/14/2015 5:44:32 PM EST
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I had no idea what the 'laws" were in France but thought it was similar to ours.
Reason being I have had some guns from France and never gave it a thought. Having a couple MABs, a Unique and a Manurhin P-1, a post war P-38 made in France. I wish I could help but seriously lack knowledge on relics. |
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Posted: 11/14/2015 5:59:35 PM EST
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I don't know why but French law makers really hate all the pump guns. Rifled shotgun are in the same category than semi-auto rifles: you need a special licence, quite hard to get. Smoothbore are a big no-no. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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What's the legality on a pump shotgun, even a very old one that fits your year criteria? I don't know why but French law makers really hate all the pump guns. Rifled shotgun are in the same category than semi-auto rifles: you need a special licence, quite hard to get. Smoothbore are a big no-no. How about a lever action rifle? Plenty of designs made from 1870-1890 are still produced today. You can even get one in 45colt and pair it with a single action revolver in the same caliber. |
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Posted: 11/14/2015 6:16:11 PM EST
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Holy crap. Untwist you panties lasses. It's a joke. For fuck's sake. Yes I'm from NY. Hence the irony of it all.
If I had a nickel for every "too soon" joke laid out on the GD I'd be a fucking millionaire. Man shoots and kills wife at a card game. http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_1_5/1807231_Husband_waving_gun_kills_wife_at_card_game.html GD wonders if they then finished the game, who won the hand, if the gun was a Taurus and what his ARF screen name is. Too soon to jest over the death of a wife/woman by a American gun owner? GD don't care. Lighten up. |
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Posted: 11/14/2015 6:24:35 PM EST
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In this thread we learn about the challenges of self defense and firearm ownership in France.
Stay vigilant. |
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Posted: 11/14/2015 6:33:54 PM EST
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What's the legality on a pump shotgun, even a very old one that fits your year criteria? Pump guns are formidable, model 1897 comes to mind. I heard they were effective in the trenches. 
You have barrel length requirements there? 
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Posted: 11/14/2015 6:42:45 PM EST
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How short can you make your double-barrel shotgun? Take it down to that length and acquire a bunch of buckshot/slugs. Practice fast reloading until it becomes second nature, so that if you ever need to "repel boarders", you have the skills.
Bonne chance, mon ami... |
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Posted: 11/14/2015 6:49:23 PM EST
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Please knock off the personal attacks in this thread, no matter how appropriate they might seem. So no Me-109E-4 > Dewotine 520? I was just reading Eric Brown's Duels in the Sky and the Dewotine fighter aircraft caught the Allies involved in Operation Torch by surprise. Funny but they should have been familiar with it from 1939-40.
More seriously, I agree with you DK-Prof. A man comes here for help and should not be shat upon. |
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Posted: 11/14/2015 6:53:45 PM EST
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I do not know enough to help but a bolt action carbine is what I would try to find.
It is not how many rounds fired but how many you put on target. My late best friend a marine who fought with a m1 garand, hunted his whole life with a 6.5 jap carbine and killed hundreds of deer with open sights. Good luck brother from Texas |
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Posted: 11/14/2015 7:43:03 PM EST
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Good luck at the gun show, if it is still on. There could be a long line so make sure you go early. Also, be sure to get business cards/phone numbers.
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Posted: 11/14/2015 8:01:22 PM EST
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What do you need from your weapon ? Concealability? High capacity? Long range? Powerful round?
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Posted: 11/14/2015 8:08:40 PM EST
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Are you allowed to saw off your double barreled shotgun? A revolver and a 12" double barreled 12 ga would do pretty well for home defense.
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Posted: 11/14/2015 8:13:30 PM EST
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Please knock off the personal attacks in this thread, no matter how appropriate they might seem. Awwww. Thanks. |
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Posted: 11/14/2015 8:13:41 PM EST
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Are you allowed to saw off your double barreled shotgun? A revolver and a 12" double barreled 12 ga would do pretty well for home defense. If so, I vote for a few of these. |
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Posted: 11/14/2015 8:14:42 PM EST
[#50]
Quote HistoryQuoted: What's the legality on a pump shotgun, even a very old one that fits your year criteria? That's what I was wondering, Italian made Colt Peacemaker clones (1873), Winchester 1892 and a Winchester 1897 pump shotgun? The CAS guys seem to be able to run them fairly well. |
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