Posted: 9/26/2010 6:30:18 PM EDT
| Any truth to the theory that home loads should never be used for self defense? I am sure I could make better rounds than commercially available. Was this theory a result of an actual lawsuit or case? |
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This has been proven to be BS over and over, here and elsewhere.
But I'm still going to leave my defense loads to the pros. Not because of the "legal issues" but because they do that for a living and have all the high dollar equipment and pay people to watch over their operation. |
| Good to see opinions on this that are opposite of what I have been told. Is it actually illegal to put wax in a hollow point? Guess I should ask while a self defense load thread is up. Any benefits? I've seen it in movies but never tried it on phone books or tested it. |
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This is often the cause of many pages of argument, with no clear-cut winner. It's largely a matter of what you feel comfortable with. Depending on the gun of choice, some of mine are loaded with handloads, most are not. Quoted: Good to see opinions on this that are opposite of what I have been told. Is it actually illegal to put wax in a hollow point? Guess I should ask while a self defense load thread is up. Any benefits? I've seen it in movies but never tried it on phone books or tested it. Not illegal, but I can't imagine why the fuck you'd want to. |
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How do you know it was handloaded? Every good holloy point projectile that is availible to load you own, can also be purchased factory loaded.
Unless you stcking explosives or poison in your reloads, I think your good. Matter of fact my XD has 4 magazines loaded ready to go. Its got a magazine of factory loaded stuff already in it and the spare mags have Hornady XTP hanloads. |
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This is often the cause of many pages of argument, with no clear-cut winner. It's largely a matter of what you feel comfortable with. Depending on the gun of choice, some of mine are loaded with handloads, most are not. Quoted:
Good to see opinions on this that are opposite of what I have been told. Is it actually illegal to put wax in a hollow point? Guess I should ask while a self defense load thread is up. Any benefits? I've seen it in movies but never tried it on phone books or tested it. Not illegal, but I can't imagine why the fuck you'd want to. The myth as I've heard it, is that the with the cavity filled with wax, when the bullet hits the target, the wax makes it mushroom out quicker and wider than it normally would, also heard of mercury being used for this. |
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Surely this would come out if you had to use deadly force and it killed the offender? Good points. I would think that would be the time for total honesty if even asked but I am sure the recovered bullet would be examined as would the remaining rounds. Just curious but I can see that it is not such an issue.
As for the wax, it would be interesting to know if it does cause more expansion. My hydra shock rounds have that little post in the middle. |
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As long as you can explain why you used handloads in court, you're probably okay. I'd still stay with proven bullet designs and loads that are comparable to factory rounds. I used them because I was in fear of my life/grave bodily harm or in fear for someone elses life/grave bodily harm. |
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Who is going to know that your 50 loose, FC marked nickel cased HP rounds are hand loads? Use the same head stamped brass. Load the same bullets. Don't tell? They'd be hard pressed to find out. Well, all the reloading stuff would be an indicator. If asked, I guess. I certainly would not be volunteering info that was not asked, but it would seem that would be the time to be honest if it was in fact self defense. Covering up anything could only hurt your position. Would a self defense case where perp was shot in entryway mean the house could be searched? |
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A good shoot is a good shoot. Would it matter if you beat someone to death with a baseball bat that you made v. a Louisville Slugger from China? What would possess someone to volunteer that info in the first place, as there is no connection between BGs need for additional holes and the Mfr of the hole making device. Also, it isn't like the crime lab is going to be sitting around doing chromatography of the powder on a good shoot. |
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Sounds like a Massad Ayoob-ism. It is, and it's bullshit. Simply put, if you are allowed to use deadly force, the exact details of that force are irrelevant. This may be true regarding any criminal proceedings. A civil suit, OTOH, is a whole different story. |
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Sounds like a Massad Ayoob-ism. It is, and it's bullshit. Simply put, if you are allowed to use deadly force, the exact details of that force are irrelevant. This may be true regarding any criminal proceedings. A civil suit, OTOH, is a whole different story. I have had attorney buddies search for this. No attorney has ever, ever used this angle in a civil suit. Never. Not fucking ever. Which leads me to believe it has no merit. |
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Sounds like a Massad Ayoob-ism. It is, and it's bullshit. Simply put, if you are allowed to use deadly force, the exact details of that force are irrelevant. This may be true regarding any criminal proceedings. A civil suit, OTOH, is a whole different story. This is why I asked...claim one was conspiring to shoot the first uninvited guest with no reason. But the same could be said for using SD ammo over ball ammo. Non issue it would seem. Ammo is ammo, bottom line. Just curious what a gun forum would think. Will stick with factory for now but have many loads that are not available that would do great. Match primers, blue dot, unique, different weights, so on. Very customizable to the needs of distance and such. |