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4/3/2005 6:40:53 PM EDT
We are in the process of buying a new house and want a security system.  I need some suggestions.  I have looked at Fleenor, Brinks, and ADT.  Any advise would be great.

Thanks,
BIT
4/3/2005 6:44:25 PM EDT
[#1]
I am curious about this as well.  

I have had a few interactions with ADT and have been less than impressed.  This is just my limited experience with them.
4/3/2005 6:44:46 PM EDT
[#2]
We have a Mossberg security system...
4/3/2005 6:51:10 PM EDT
[#3]
I have ADT.  Any minimal service is going to do ok.  What is important is the flagrant display of the placards and stickers.  A robber is going to move on to easier pickings then deal with an alarm system that may slow him down. Also if a professional wants something that you have they will eventually get it.  I have a nice safe bolted to a cement floor to keep valuables.  They WILL tear apart your bedroom.  Most people will keep most of their valuables in there.
4/3/2005 6:55:10 PM EDT
[#4]
The big names come with a big price.

You almost always get more for your money and much better service going with an independant alarm company.

Ask friends and neighbors for referrals.

Also, don't go for long term contracts, year to year is the best way to go, about 20 bucks a month is a good price for monitoring.

Do not buy private label or propritary equipment, it is useless if you try to change alarm companies.

Caddx NX (now owned by GE)  series panels are what I use, top quality at an affordable price.

Avoid motion detectors if possible, they are false alarm generators.
4/3/2005 6:57:01 PM EDT
[#5]
I have Brinks and I am satisfied.  When the alarm is tripped, they try to contact you before alerting the authorities, to try and cut down on false alarms. And the call center calls fast when you trip the alarm.
4/3/2005 6:57:58 PM EDT
[#6]
If you can, get a system that has cellular backup, in case they manage to cut the phone line...and yes, have plenty of signs and stickers...crooks are lazy, and will go after easier targets...
4/3/2005 6:58:33 PM EDT
[#7]
as a security tech that worked at ADT for three years avoid them if you can.
I live WI and all the dispatchers are from Florida and they  must pay minimum wage or something because all they hire are ppl that can barely speak english. The monitoring center is state of the art tho!!! From about 7 years ago .
Seriusly if you can get a local guy (think small shop) you can probably get a system and monitoring for a decent price.
The only reason ADT can give youa system for little or no money is that for one they are reall high on monitoring costs and if you decide to lease a system they can come in when ever they want and take it out. This leaves big holes and such in your walls since you are going hardwired correct not wireless.
Trust me save the cost on both instalation and future costs of batteries by going hard wired since you said you are building now.
Talk to your electrician and see if he can pull wire to your doors and windows and for any motions you want, that way since he is already there maybe you can save some cost there as well.

I have never worked for Brinks or Fleenor so cant say good or bad about either one other than I have been in this buisness for 9 years and have never heard of Fleenor (must be a TN thing).

Good luck and have fun in your new house


edit cause I cant read you said buying not building

That being the case depending on the house you might have to think about wireless.
4/3/2005 7:00:28 PM EDT
[#8]
Also dont forget the obvious.  Good locks.  Latches and rods for the windows.  Motion detectors for the outside areas.  So they come on once in awhile due to animals or whatever.  You catch a thief scouting out your home and he will shit bricks when the lights all of a sudden come on.  
4/3/2005 7:16:58 PM EDT
[#9]
Here is an article I was reading the other day and thought it was pretty good if anyone is interested.


Important Information about Security Alarm Systems
by - Kent Roorda


Here are some basic things you need to know about home security systems:

How much will a system cost?

Simply stated, the cost of a system should be based on a number of things: the size of the home and how it is constructed, the number and types of detection devices and sensors and the amount of labor it will take to properly install the equipment.

Since no two homes or businesses are alike, it is impractical, and you should be suspicious, of any alarm company that offers ‘fixed’ prices for installations.

If a company tells you that it offers free or $99 installations, beware! These gimmicks are meant to simply get that company in the door. Often they will then try to up-sell you or charge you outrageous monthly monitoring fees.

A reputable alarm company can only give you an accurate estimate if they are able to see your home or business and discuss various ways of protecting it. It is unreasonable to expect phone estimates.

Prices for quality security systems can go from around $300 to thousands of dollars based on the equipment and level of service.

How much does monitoring cost?

Monitoring costs can vary quite a bit, but a good price to pay for monitoring is around $20 a month. More than $20 doesn’t get you that much more and you should beware of companies offering monitoring for a lot less.

Often companies that offer "free" equipment or super low-priced equipment make up for it with higher monitoring fees. They may also make you sign a long-term monitoring agreement.

It is necessary for me to have my system monitored?

Generally, most companies do not install ‘unmonitored’ systems. The reasons are many. For example, if a system is unmonitored, it is impossible for a company to know if the system is operating properly.

Keep in mind that monitoring is not just to send the police when an alarm takes place. It also serves to notify you or a person you trust, that an alarm has taken place at your property. By doing so, you can promptly re-secure the premises. Additionally, monitoring insures the proper operation of your system. In addition to monitoring for alarms, your alarm company should also monitor the major functions of your system and should report to you if any maintenance is required.

What about false alarms?

False alarms are a great problem in the alarm industry. They waste a great deal of police and fire department time and money and in most municipalities they can result in fines.

A properly installed system should be free from false alarms and very easy to operate. When you obtain a system, avoid making it too sensitive, or using detection devices that are unreliable or which can be triggered by things such as barking dogs, lightning, thunder, passing trucks, etc. You also need to operate your system responsibly. If you accidentally trip an alarm, make sure that you get the alarm canceled with your monitoring company so that they do not falsely dispatch authorities.

Most false alarms and false dispatches are caused by "user error." So make sure that everyone who operates your system is very familiar with it—including how to cancel a false alarm. Likewise, make sure that all detection devices are kept clean and free of dirt, spider webs, and that no moving objects (such as balloons) are placed in front of motion detectors!

What kind of contract do I have to sign?

You should not have to sign a contract that obligates you to do business with a particular company for any set amount of time. While most alarm companies have and require such contracts, they are nonetheless unnecessary.

Alarm companies often require you to sign a contract with you to do business with them for several years. However, if you shop around, there are quality companies who strive to keep your business by simply providing you with good and satisfying systems and do not require long-term contracts.

Once you sign a contract you are agreeing to use that monitoring service. What if they don’t provide good service?

What if someone cuts my phone line?

Can the alarm company monitor my phone line? Simply stated, no alarm company can actually "monitor" your phone line. If an alarm company tells you that they can monitor your line, they are misleading you.

The best a security company can do is to periodically send test signals to your system to see if it’s working.

If your phone line was cut or disabled after the test, the security company wouldn’t know it until the next periodic test. Since the phone line is typically the main link between your system and the alarm company, it is important to know that there are some alternative methods available for transmitting an alarm if the line is disabled. One method is by using a "cellular" transmission for backup.

The next method of alternative alarm transmission is by radio signal. There are a number of types of alarm radio transmission signals available. Some are better than others. The best kinds are the ones where radios are networked together between subscribers and the central monitoring station. If such a radio is disabled, it would be detected immediately. Likewise, if one radio signal were blocked, the system would find several alternate paths to the monitoring station.

What if I need service?

Your company should be able to provide you with service within a 24-hour period. Don’t settle for just phone help. When you call your alarm company, they should recognize you as a person and not as an "account."

When a service person comes to your home or business, he/she should be considerate of your property and your privacy and should demonstrate the knowledge required to satisfy your needs.

What things should I look for in a good alarm company?

Look for a company that has a good track record and plenty of references. Avoid companies who require long-term contracts and offer super low-cost specials or so-called "free" stuff.

Don’t be afraid to ask for references, particularly from people who have already obtained a system similar to that which you are looking at.

Avoid companies who seek to get an immediate commitment from you. Watch out for a company that wants to sell you the same thing that they sell to everyone else. No two homes or businesses are alike.

What about alarm signs in my yard?

While an alarm sign in your yard may provide some deterrence, it is important to remember that when the alarm companies place signs in yards, their primary intent for the sign is for advertising

Rather than signs, ask for alarm decals and place them in windows at your entrances -- near the main entrances of the property, where an intruder would most likely see them.

Should I get a maintenance contract on my system?

No. A properly installed and maintained system should require very little maintenance. In most cases, the cost of an occasional service call would be less than you would pay for a maintenance agreement. Additionally, a "good" alarm company will take care of normal maintenance on your system at minimal, but reasonable costs.

What should I expect out of the Central Monitoring Station?

First, you should expect good response time. If you have an alarm, then the alarm company should normally respond to the alarm in less than one minute. The central station operator will normally be able to tell you what type of alarm they received and what action they have taken. However, they cannot tell you what caused the alarm.

Central station operators are not technicians or technical advisors. Their job is to monitor your system only. If you have a question about the operation of your system, you can receive the most accurate information by contacting your installer, or the service department of your alarm company.

Normally, central monitoring services provided by smaller- and medium-size companies are more efficient than those provided by many of the larger national companies.

4/3/2005 7:20:49 PM EDT
[#10]
Point... Squeeze... Repeat.

Just remember... 9mm rounds from a pistol penetrate more than .223 rounds from a rifle. Got to love

O_P.
4/3/2005 7:40:44 PM EDT
[#11]
All windows and doors need to be wired - upstairs and down. The sensors should be in the frames so that they don't show/can't be broken by accident. There should be a flare panel to give the status of each sensor. My system is programmed to call me, calling someone four states over isn't worth $240 a year. The system calls my cell phone and announces which zone is in alarm and then allows me to listen into the house. The fire alarm is hooked to the system too as is the lighting system. From my cell phone I can turn on the main light in the grand room.

Remember the alarm is almost the last line of defense next to a firearm.

A good neighborhood, a high fence, a proper dog, trimmed bushes, lighting on timers, good locks, not flashing weapons/alcohol/valuables, limiting people who visit your house ...
4/3/2005 8:02:55 PM EDT
[#12]
I would look into the system itself instead of the monitoring company.

A good system like an HAI Omni PRO2 or just an Omni Pro will do wonders for your home. It can dial out to any number you want. So it can call yoru cell and tell you wich szone has tripped the alarm.

It can be monitored over the internet as well with full control over the system. So you can view your cameras over the net any place in the world. Full control is also active over the phone. I can call the system and turn up the heat, turn on lights, check temps, arm/disarm, and other stuff as well.

You can write scripts for it also. so if the living room motion trips after 9:00 while in the "at home" setting it will light a path to the bathroom at 50% brightness for 6 minutes. Basicly if I get up to go to the shitter the motion sees me and turns the lights on @ 50% brightness so I don't stub my toe.

The ways I could tell you that this system rocks is unreal!!
4/3/2005 8:28:54 PM EDT
[#13]
Best alarm system ever.

http://image04.webshots.com/4/4/54/11/99645411xEmPlB_ph.jpg
4/3/2005 8:33:04 PM EDT
[#14]
If I were looking into a security system now, I would ask ar-wrench in the GA forum... he is the shiznet!
5/10/2005 2:54:39 AM EDT
[#15]
Tag
5/10/2005 3:07:49 AM EDT
[#16]
Been workin most excellent for 29yr's now...!

...!
5/10/2005 6:59:14 AM EDT
[#17]

Quoted:
Been workin most excellent for 29yr's now...!

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Yep 2German Shepards myself. But tht doesnt help when they are not outside when I am not home . I m thinking survailance[sp?] cameras
5/10/2005 7:00:55 AM EDT
[#18]
Burglars don't give a shit about electronic gizmos.  They know the police will take at least 20-40 minutes to arrive.

A big dog that barks, or a machine that plays the sound of a pump shotgun being racked, works much better.
5/10/2005 7:03:11 AM EDT
[#19]

Quoted:
Been workin most excellent for 29yr's now...!

img.photobucket.com/albums/v235/VonErnst/Scan005July1220042.jpg...!

awesome
5/10/2005 7:29:55 AM EDT
[#20]

Quoted:
Burglars don't give a shit about electronic gizmos.  They know the police will take at least 20-40 minutes to arrive.

A big dog that barks, or a machine that plays the sound of a pump shotgun being racked, works much better.



It 's mainly for the neighbors punk  kid comin in my yard when I'm not there! Besides that I aint worried about someone goin in the house cause I doubt they would be comin out
5/10/2005 6:07:32 PM EDT
[#21]
5/10/2005 11:18:15 PM EDT
[#22]

Quoted:
Burglars don't give a shit about electronic gizmos.  They know the police will take at least 20-40 minutes to arrive.

A big dog that barks, or a machine that plays the sound of a pump shotgun being racked, works much better.




Dang, dude. Police response must suck in your neighborhood.


Our alarm system had a false alarm due to a balloon/motion sensor while we were down the street at the neighbor's house. The monitoring company called us, so we went back home. The cops beat us there.
5/11/2005 1:10:34 AM EDT
[#23]

Quoted:

Quoted:
Burglars don't give a shit about electronic gizmos.  They know the police will take at least 20-40 minutes to arrive.

A big dog that barks, or a machine that plays the sound of a pump shotgun being racked, works much better.




Dang, dude. Police response must suck in your neighborhood.


Our alarm system had a false alarm due to a balloon/motion sensor while we were down the street at the neighbor's house. The monitoring company called us, so we went back home. The cops beat us there.



You are fortunate to live in such an area. Twenty to forty minutes is about what my dept's response time is on a very low call volume day.
A simple residential alarm is a low priority call about one step above a barking dog call. In progress type calls such as robberies, disturbances, kidnappings and crazies take precedence. Calls are stacked on our car computer screens by urgency level and quite often an officer has to scroll several pages worth to find things like alarms.
This is the main reason I would never have a silent alarm. You want noise to hopefully scare the dude away. Of course if you have no neighbors this is useless. Get lots of stickers and a good dog. They're cheaper in the long run and one of these makes a good friend.

Oh yeah....and please tell everyone you know to stop relying on us to save their asses. This country's male population is rapidly developing vaginas.
5/11/2005 5:35:17 PM EDT
[#24]
Security systems are like every other consumer product.  Some are better than others, and the installation is what makes it or breaks it.

I prefer perimeter systems with just enough area detection devices to provide needed overlap.

The cell based communicators are a very good addition to any system, the prices of these has come way down in the last few years.

I have started using a couple really interesting devices lately, one is a peizo-electric shock sensor.  It is self powered, and works quite well.

The other is a magnetic anomoly detector.  This technology has many military uses, now it is being used in civilian security products.  

And, don't skip the fire detection devices.  You are much more likely to experience a structure fire than a break in.  A smoke detector and monitoring service saved one of my customer's houses from destruction, fire dept was on scene in under 3 minutes from the call.
5/11/2005 5:42:08 PM EDT
[#25]

Quoted:
The big names come with a big price.

You almost always get more for your money and much better service going with an independant alarm company.

Ask friends and neighbors for referrals.

Also, don't go for long term contracts, year to year is the best way to go, about 20 bucks a month is a good price for monitoring.





Damn good advice.

READ the contract before signing. This is one of the single biggest complaints about home security systems. They sign you to a multi year contract with automatic renewals unless you notify them within a certain (usually short) time frame. In short, they are endless and you get ripped on price as well.
5/12/2005 11:54:46 AM EDT
[#26]
5/12/2005 12:13:08 PM EDT
[#27]

Quoted:
I have ADT.  Any minimal service is going to do ok.  What is important is the flagrant display of the placards and stickers.  A robber is going to move on to easier pickings then deal with an alarm system that may slow him down. Also if a professional wants something that you have they will eventually get it.  I have a nice safe bolted to a cement floor to keep valuables.  They WILL tear apart your bedroom.  Most people will keep most of their valuables in there.


+1.

We've had Brinks for over 5 years, in our new house, it was installed before we even moved our stuff in.

Fire and intrusion, EVERY window and door is alarmed.

That covers the place while we are away.

"Panic" buttons let you summon cops, ambulance and fire with the touch of a specific button.  Monitoring lets them call appropriate agency if they can't get the correct code word on the phone.

While we're home, if it ever goes off, I'll certainly be awake, alert, and able to secure the family until the cops arrive.    
5/12/2005 12:13:16 PM EDT
[#28]

Quoted:
I have had a few interactions with ADT and have been less than impressed.  This is just my limited experience with them.



My condo (just purchased) was pre-wired with an ADT system.  I asked around and got similar results ... from both residential and commercial customers.  ADT's customer service was not rated well by anyone I spoke with, and that's saying something.  
5/12/2005 2:08:54 PM EDT
[#29]

Quoted:
Burglars don't give a shit about electronic gizmos.  They know the police will take at least 20-40 minutes to arrive.

A big dog that barks, or a machine that plays the sound of a pump shotgun being racked, works much better.



Actually that is not true at all.  Homes without security systems are about 3 times more likely to be broken into than homes with security systems.  

Burlgars are generally not deterred by dogs.  I have seen dogs running around in homes where I took burglary reports, and I know of cases of the dogs just being sprayed with oven cleaner or pepper spray.  

Also a good system should have fire monitoring too.  You are MUCH more likely to suffer a loss from a fire than a Burglary.  If your dog is in the house when a fire starts, you will likely lose your beloved pet.  Also they can't call 911.  

http://www.alarm.org/consumer-info.html