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Posted: 8/31/2017 1:41:05 AM EDT
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Insurance Companies are gonna HATE TEXAS |
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Posted: 8/31/2017 1:42:38 AM EDT
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a fucking link with Rachel maddow pic?
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Posted: 8/31/2017 1:50:20 AM EDT
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Ebola, yellow fever, dengue fever, Captain Trips, cool shit like that. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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What do they have there? 
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Posted: 8/31/2017 1:53:27 AM EDT
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Who the fuck thought it was a good idea to set up a deadily disease bank in a coastal town that was completely obliterated by a hurricane 100 years ago? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I heard that Galveston National Laboratory is without power but I can't find any sources. That could be very bad news. |
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Posted: 8/31/2017 1:58:46 AM EDT
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Well that's fun. Anyone know what kind of procedures a L4 bio facility has for incidents like this? 
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Posted: 8/31/2017 2:03:25 AM EDT
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Article says peroxides for use in other shit. They say it shouldn't have a long term impact |
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Posted: 8/31/2017 2:06:36 AM EDT
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There's always a Campion. Always.  
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Posted: 8/31/2017 5:45:40 AM EDT
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Multiple explosions reported. Several sheriff deputies on their way to hospital.
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Posted: 8/31/2017 5:48:32 AM EDT
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Multiple explosions reported. Several sheriff deputies on their way to hospital. |
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Posted: 8/31/2017 5:50:09 AM EDT
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Multiple explosions reported. Several sheriff deputies on their way to hospital. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Multiple explosions reported. Several sheriff deputies on their way to hospital. ETA: https://www.wsj.com/articles/arkema-warns-it-cant-prevent-potential-chemical-explosion-in-texas-1504124326 Industrial chemical manufacturer Arkema said early Thursday it has been notified about two explosions and black smoke coming from its plant in Crosby, Texas. The company said it is working closely with federal, state and local authorities to manage the situation, according to a statement on its website |
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Posted: 8/31/2017 5:51:46 AM EDT
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Owners in france says enough.
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Posted: 8/31/2017 5:53:17 AM EDT
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Posted: 8/31/2017 5:56:48 AM EDT
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Not sure I understand how something so potentially dangerous and critical could be built without first making sure it was designed to avoid being flooded. Yes, I know 40 inches of rain in that amount of time is akin to biblical proportions, but still. We're not talking about plopping down a pizza joint or even a gas station.
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Posted: 8/31/2017 6:11:22 AM EDT
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Posted: 8/31/2017 6:14:00 AM EDT
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Not sure I understand how something so potentially dangerous and critical could be built without first making sure it was designed to avoid being flooded. Yes, I know 40 inches of rain in that amount of time is akin to biblical proportions, but still. We're not talking about plopping down a pizza joint or even a gas station. |
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Posted: 8/31/2017 6:33:25 AM EDT
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Not to make lite of the situation but this is peroxide not a high order explosive. Get away from it and don't breath the smoke but that's pretty much it. Sure it reacts kinda sporty but its not that big of a deal.The plant is small and most of it has been shut down for years. I grew up in that area and have friends that are still there.
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Posted: 8/31/2017 6:51:36 AM EDT
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Organic peroxides can be VERY unstable... particularly if they heat up. They're serious free-radical generators. They're not kidding about the explosion potential. ETA: just for reference, TATP, known by terrorists as "Mother of Satan," is just such an organic peroxide. Very nasty stuff. Difficult to detect due to lack of a nitrogen component. |
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Posted: 8/31/2017 6:57:55 AM EDT
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Not to make lite of the situation but this is peroxide not a high order explosive. Get away from it and don't breath the smoke but that's pretty much it. Sure it reacts kinda sporty but its not that big of a deal.The plant is small and most of it has been shut down for years. I grew up in that area and have friends that are still there. Organic Peroxides are no joke... and they can easily go high-order, with almost the same strength as TNT. There is a reason why terrorists like to use it for bombs. In fact, the recent Barcelona vehicle attackers were planning on doing exactly that, but blew up their lab during the manufacturing process: Link to CNN I remember an explosion at a chemical plant near where I used to live... and it was from organic peroxides (isopropyl benzene peroxide, to be more specific... Link). A fire caused the evacuation of hundreds of homes... and the resulting explosion leveled the plant. Peroxides are very strong free-radical generators... and oxygen-based free radicals are highly reactive. They are such strong oxidizers that above certain concentrations, they can instantly set fire to combustible materials... literally on contact. I never liked handling those things. |
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Posted: 8/31/2017 7:56:18 AM EDT
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Not to make lite of the situation but this is peroxide not a high order explosive. Get away from it and don't breath the smoke but that's pretty much it. Sure it reacts kinda sporty but its not that big of a deal.The plant is small and most of it has been shut down for years. I grew up in that area and have friends that are still there. |
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Posted: 8/31/2017 8:11:47 AM EDT
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Its 5 gallon jugs in concrete rooms. I guess we will just see.
Eta: 1 to 10 lbs containers in refrigerated box vans. 9 vans total 3 not working. |
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Posted: 8/31/2017 8:27:50 AM EDT
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Not sure I understand how something so potentially dangerous and critical could be built without first making sure it was designed to avoid being flooded. Yes, I know 40 inches of rain in that amount of time is akin to biblical proportions, but still. We're not talking about plopping down a pizza joint or even a gas station. Like I said earlier in this thread I worked at facilities (hell, they're probably affected now) along the Gulf Coast and one in Lake Charles specifically that never thought they'd lose both sources of power yet they did. In 1999 during Hurricane Floyd there were facilties all along the Raritan River in NJ that saw water because it was the 500 year or 800 year flood that you didn't plan for. Even where I work now when we perform our PHAs (process hazard analysis) there are circumstances so bizarre that we simply say, no freaking way that could happen. I mean we throw some really wonky ideas out there to see how realistic they may be in terms of hazards to the system and in turn a hazard to the community and we've got some doozies. Should we plan for inevitable nuclear war and fallout proofing the system? No. We're on a 500 year flood plain...should we start building additional walls and containment for something that probably won't happen? I'd rather spend that money on maintenance to ensure the normal shit that can happen doesn't. |
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Posted: 8/31/2017 8:30:42 AM EDT
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Its 5 gallon jugs in concrete rooms. I guess we will just see. Eta: 1 to 10 lbs containers in refrigerated box vans. 9 vans total 3 not working. The last facility I worked at had lots of fun peroxides in refrigerated trailers that were used in making specialty plastics. We were along a river but if it flooded you needed and ark as we were 50' above the river bank. |
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Posted: 8/31/2017 8:39:04 AM EDT
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Two issues here: 1. Design, it floods here, has for as long as man walked into this swamp. Why not build that factor into the design. Answer - Money - build it as cheap as you can. 2. Run through hurricane for Profit, I have witnessed this question for my whole life: Should we shut down Safely now and get everyone out or try to run either through it or right up to it. I have seen people who volunteer to stay inside the refineries and chemical plants during hurricanes. Facilities still shut down due to weather and the brave souls who volunteered to stay try to stay alive in a sea of water, oil and chemical stew. There are facilities I know in LC and around the gulf coast that shut down for past and this current hurricane. What do you do with all your process chemicals? You can't just call in tanker ships and tanker trucks or start shipping everything out by rail. The logistics of that alone is insane. For instance, how do you load up a tanker or barge full of ammonia and then send it south into the storm? Filling up tanker trucks with death chemicals and then putting them on the highway with evacuees is just as risky. The entire Gulf Coast is a swamp with not much elevation above sea level. There are some safety measures put in place but the choice is how far inland do you want to move these facilities until its "safe" and how much cost is involved with moving raw materials or finished goods over that land and the additional risks of moving those materials? That's the question. |
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Posted: 8/31/2017 9:07:36 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryIt's not undetectable.
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Posted: 8/31/2017 9:14:37 AM EDT
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Posted: 8/31/2017 9:24:09 AM EDT
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Level 4 bio containment |
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Posted: 8/31/2017 10:03:02 AM EDT
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Not sure I understand how something so potentially dangerous and critical could be built without first making sure it was designed to avoid being flooded. Yes, I know 40 inches of rain in that amount of time is akin to biblical proportions, but still. We're not talking about plopping down a pizza joint or even a gas station. |
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Posted: 8/31/2017 10:08:15 AM EDT
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Hauled the shit outta plastic pellets from all those plants.
PITA. |
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Posted: 8/31/2017 10:11:00 AM EDT
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I heard that Galveston National Laboratory is without power but I can't find any sources. That could be very bad news. "Galveston National Laboratory is an eight-story structure that was built using construction standards designed to resist a Category 5 hurricane. In addition to structural design elements, other protective measures included support pilings reaching a depth of 120 feet (37 m) into the earth and the placement of all lab facilities at a height of at least 30 feet (9.1 m) above the 100-year floodplain.[4] The building houses more than 80,000 sq ft (7,400 m2) of laboratory space, of which 12,000 sq ft (1,100 m2) is dedicated to BSL-4 use. Other labs located in the building include BSL-3 facilities which research select & non-select agents in cell cultures, animal and insects.[4] The laboratory became operational in November 2008 and was dedicated by U.S. Senator Kay Bailey Hutchison.[6] Attached to and functioning as a part of the GNL is the older Keiller Building, which houses additional BSL-2 and BSL-3 laboratories, including an insect BSL-3 lab. Also attached is the Shope BSL-4 lab, a smaller BSL-4 facility built in 2005." |
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Posted: 8/31/2017 10:15:50 AM EDT
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Looking for images of the explosions
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Posted: 8/31/2017 10:22:50 AM EDT
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Sounds like they should be prepared for this type of thing... "Galveston National Laboratory is an eight-story structure that was built using construction standards designed to resist a Category 5 hurricane. In addition to structural design elements, other protective measures included support pilings reaching a depth of 120 feet (37 m) into the earth and the placement of all lab facilities at a height of at least 30 feet (9.1 m) above the 100-year floodplain.[4] The building houses more than 80,000 sq ft (7,400 m2) of laboratory space, of which 12,000 sq ft (1,100 m2) is dedicated to BSL-4 use. Other labs located in the building include BSL-3 facilities which research select & non-select agents in cell cultures, animal and insects.[4] The laboratory became operational in November 2008 and was dedicated by U.S. Senator Kay Bailey Hutchison.[6] Attached to and functioning as a part of the GNL is the older Keiller Building, which houses additional BSL-2 and BSL-3 laboratories, including an insect BSL-3 lab. Also attached is the Shope BSL-4 lab, a smaller BSL-4 facility built in 2005." |
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Posted: 8/31/2017 11:46:04 AM EDT
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Well that's fun. Anyone know what kind of procedures a L4 bio facility has for incidents like this? 
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Posted: 8/31/2017 11:53:03 AM EDT
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Well that's fun. Anyone know what kind of procedures a L4 bio facility has for incidents like this? |
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Posted: 8/31/2017 11:56:37 AM EDT
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It's not undetectable. |
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Posted: 9/1/2017 6:32:37 PM EDT
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Weather channel showing huge blaze right now.
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Posted: 9/1/2017 6:40:45 PM EDT
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Man, it's going all right. Looks like another couple of buildings might go as well.
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Posted: 9/1/2017 6:52:40 PM EDT
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It's going up Right now. I'm watching it on the news. They think 2of the trailers are on fire right now.
The press ask crazy questions. Eta: someone needs to edit the title. The newscaster said this is breaking news. |
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Posted: 9/1/2017 7:58:01 PM EDT
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Company spokesperson say 6 more containers will soon go up in flames.
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Posted: 9/1/2017 8:05:27 PM EDT
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Posted: 9/16/2017 3:40:20 PM EDT
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@buckshot_jim This is open source and in the same ballpark as things we've discussed before. Fortunately they kept it mostly under control, but that isn't a guaranteed thing in all instances. We all live around enough bulk chemicals that we could be forced out of our houses with whatever we can grab and be forced to leave everything behind as a loss. Like this Does that make sense?
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Posted: 9/16/2017 3:45:14 PM EDT
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@buckshot_jim This is open source and in the same ballpark as things we've discussed before. Fortunately they kept it mostly under control, but that isn't a guaranteed thing in all instances. We all live around enough bulk chemicals that we could be forced out of our houses with whatever we can grab and be forced to leave everything behind as a loss. Like this Does that make sense? |
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Posted: 9/16/2017 3:47:58 PM EDT
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I lived through the aftermath of a 5 second mistake at a chemical plant. The things that helped me most were comms, vehicle mobility, and savings. |
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Posted: 9/16/2017 3:54:28 PM EDT
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I lived through the aftermath of a 5 second mistake at a chemical plant. The things that helped me most were comms, vehicle mobility, and savings. |
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