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Posted: 4/25/2023 6:03:42 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I would be shocked if they even had a dozen that are operational, so the question of good it is or isn't is pretty moot. Kinda like the number of functional Soviet ICBM's against our (published) 44 interceptors |
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Posted: 4/25/2023 6:16:54 PM EDT
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The crew sitting three abreast is definitely different.
Actually kinda' weird. Maybe even sort of ghey. 
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Posted: 4/25/2023 6:54:48 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: In 2015, developers UralVagonZavod claimed the T-14 war is loaded with high tech equipment that will screen it from enemy radar and infra-red heat-seeking target finders. Part of the tank's defences is a cloaking device buried deep behind shielding inside the heavily armoured body, disrupting the infrared signature that would pinpoint its location for enemy forces. The manufacturer's head of special equipment Vyacheslav Khalitov boasted: 'We essentially made the invisible tank.' Khalitov went on to claim that the T-14's special stealth technology includes radar absorbing paint and materials that make it resistant to rapid detection by radar. https://i.ytimg.com/vi/mRegNiGBN3U/maxresdefault.jpg You mean that they're claiming the same tech on the Abrams-X? |
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Posted: 4/25/2023 6:59:35 PM EDT
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Its hard to say if its good or not. It has potential to be good but nothing has been proven.
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Posted: 4/25/2023 7:04:57 PM EDT
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Quote History They used the Ferdinand Elefant engine and built the Aramta around it! 
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Posted: 4/25/2023 7:06:26 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I hope the Ukrainian farmers can get spare parts for them lol. |
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Posted: 4/25/2023 7:07:56 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Kinda like the number of functional Soviet ICBM's against our (published) 44 interceptors Oh our interceptors are good vs decoys and maneuvering warheads? Fantastic news. |
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Posted: 4/25/2023 7:31:12 PM EDT
[#8]
Looks like a lot of shell traps and radar returning surfaces.
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Posted: 4/25/2023 7:36:02 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Well, it’s manned by Russians. And RUS grift barely made it possible. Most RUS stuff made is crap these days, and for the last 30 years. Except pr0n |
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Posted: 4/25/2023 7:38:42 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Oh our interceptors are good vs decoys and maneuvering warheads? Fantastic news. I prefer to think they might be able to get 10 in the air before cyber and SSN's scuttle their nuclear intent. 4-1 odds are a little less apocalyptic at my age. Is there a defense against nuclear armed SLCM's? 
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Posted: 4/25/2023 7:42:23 PM EDT
[#11]
They goona get blowed up
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Posted: 4/25/2023 7:48:47 PM EDT
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Back in the old days the Russians had some great engineers who could design great weapon systems... And these engineers were smart enough to know that whatever they designed would be manufactured in a horribly inefficient factory with corrupt managers and vodka soaked monkeys as workers. So those Russian engineers generally tried to make things simple so even the monkeys couldn't screw it up. Sometimes this worked out, often it didn't.
Thanks to a few decades of brain drain, I doubt that there are that many good Russian engineers left in Russia. But I still imagine that Russian engineers could design some really effective equipment, including tanks. Unfortunately for the Russians though, you can't make a modern tank that is both effective and easy to manufacture. Therefore I would suspect that the Armata is a reasonably decent design but that the Russians can't make many of them, and those will likely have production flaws. And the Russian military apparently has no clue how to do basic maintenance and constant maintenance is something tanks need. Anyway, if they are being shipped to Ukraine then the US will have a few examples to test pretty soon. Offer the crew $1 million each if they surrender an intact tank and we would soon have a half dozen of them... the only reason we wouldn't have the full dozen is that half of them would break down on the way to surrender. |
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Posted: 4/25/2023 8:14:27 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Back in the old days the Russians had some great engineers who could design great weapon systems... And these engineers were smart enough to know that whatever they designed would be manufactured in a horribly inefficient factory with corrupt managers and vodka soaked monkeys as workers. So those Russian engineers generally tried to make things simple so even the monkeys couldn't screw it up. Sometimes this worked out, often it didn't. Thanks to a few decades of brain drain, I doubt that there are that many good Russian engineers left in Russia. But I still imagine that Russian engineers could design some really effective equipment, including tanks. Unfortunately for the Russians though, you can't make a modern tank that is both effective and easy to manufacture. Therefore I would suspect that the Armata is a reasonably decent design but that the Russians can't make many of them, and those will likely have production flaws. And the Russian military apparently has no clue how to do basic maintenance and constant maintenance is something tanks need. Anyway, if they are being shipped to Ukraine then the US will have a few examples to test pretty soon. Offer the crew $1 million each if they surrender an intact tank and we would soon have a half dozen of them... the only reason we wouldn't have the full dozen is that half of them would break down on the way to surrender. Would much rather have a SU-35 with its missiles. |
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Posted: 4/25/2023 8:19:20 PM EDT
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Ready to go
 T-14 will be primarily pitted against the British Challenger 2 and German Leopard 2A6 models. Russian officials 
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Posted: 4/25/2023 8:21:11 PM EDT
[#15]
Everything burns.
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Posted: 4/25/2023 8:26:16 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Nice shot traps on the turret.  Shot traps aren’t a thing and really hasn’t been since the advent of modern sabot rounds. |
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Posted: 4/25/2023 8:27:15 PM EDT
[#17]
Not good
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Posted: 4/25/2023 8:34:48 PM EDT
[#18]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Pretty sure the biggest drawback to Russian tanks is Russian crews and GPS artillery |
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Posted: 4/25/2023 8:37:50 PM EDT
[#19]
Pootie refuses to send them into Ukraine so that's probably not a vote of confidence.
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Posted: 4/25/2023 8:55:16 PM EDT
[#20]
 The T-14 Armata tank sucks Once again an actual historian who worked for British intelligence. Rips it’s the fuck apart. Not much “Wikipedia” research by this guy. |
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Posted: 4/25/2023 9:00:38 PM EDT
[#21]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Ready to go https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FukIEOnaMAMCl95?format=jpg&name=small T-14 will be primarily pitted against the British Challenger 2 and German Leopard 2A6 models. Russian officials https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2023/04/25/19/70221877-12012395-image-a-1_1682446360547.jpg Well, we see who didn't bother watching Lazer Pig's video. All NATO ally tanks have already surpassed the mythical, non functioning Armata. |
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Posted: 4/25/2023 9:07:23 PM EDT
[#22]
Meh.
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Posted: 4/25/2023 9:07:57 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-opSlCGLGQ4Once again an actual historian who worked for British intelligence. Rips it’s the fuck apart. Not much “Wikipedia” research by this guy. I've learned on this site that primary sources, research and forming opinions based on data is "gay". Real research is done via "chatter" and whatever your favorite social media personality says. |
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Posted: 4/25/2023 9:11:20 PM EDT
[#24]
The Russian army's biggest problem is that the average Russian soldier doesn't believe in the war. Ukraine isn't Nazi Germany.
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Posted: 4/25/2023 9:12:24 PM EDT
[#25]
Streamlined turret with greater payload for a faster rate of climb and higher operating ceiling.
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Posted: 4/25/2023 9:34:42 PM EDT
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"There is no greater danger than underestimating your enemy"Lao Tzu
"You shouldn't underestimate an enemy, but its just as fatal to overestimate him" George S Patton "Never hate your enemies. It affects your judgement" Mario Puzo |
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Posted: 4/26/2023 8:40:20 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Ready to go https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FukIEOnaMAMCl95?format=jpg&name=small T-14 will be primarily pitted against the British Challenger 2 and German Leopard 2A6 models. Russian officials https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2023/04/25/19/70221877-12012395-image-a-1_1682446360547.jpg LOL. im pretty sure ukrain now has more t-14s than russia has t-14s. |
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Posted: 4/26/2023 9:16:16 AM EDT
[#28]
Yet another archaic technology russian tank to be left in pieces on the battlefield.
The question is, will it's turret fly higher than previous versions when hit by anti-tank ordinance? |
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Posted: 4/26/2023 9:40:53 AM EDT
[#29]
Quote HistoryQuoted: LOL. im pretty sure ukrain now has more t-14s than russia has t-14s. 
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Posted: 4/26/2023 10:11:10 AM EDT
[#30]
They don't have enough of them to matter. I think that can be said about just about anyone with any tank other than the US right now though.
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Posted: 4/26/2023 10:30:05 AM EDT
[#31]
The thing about each country's arsenals is that you don't really know how good they are. You can only make comparisons on paper and then try to extrapolate. For many years, the Russian stuff looked to be on par against the western stuff, or, as was said about the T-14, it was supposed to be better than the M1. The only way to find out how accurate all this extrapolation is would be in a war between the major powers - which hasn't happened. This is analogous to martial arts, where each discipline boasts about how they're untouchable and would destroy fighters of another discipline. Then MMA came about. Data now seems to show that the Russian capability may have been slightly overstated, much as the kung-fu masters in this video:
 8 Fake Masters Getting Destroyed by Real Fighters |
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Posted: 4/26/2023 10:35:06 AM EDT
[#32]
It seems pretty crazy to me that we haven't seen huge tank battles like they had in WW2. Both countries just seem to be putting tanks into combat all piece meal and such.
I mean we were totally expecting 10s of thousands of tanks and armored vehicles to be thundering threw the Fulda Gap. For the longest time. |
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Posted: 4/26/2023 10:48:54 AM EDT
[#33]
Quote HistoryQuoted: It seems pretty crazy to me that we haven't seen huge tank battles like they had in WW2. Both countries just seem to be putting tanks into combat all piece meal and such. I mean we were totally expecting 10s of thousands of tanks and armored vehicles to be thundering threw the Fulda Gap. For the longest time. I'm not sure we're ever going to see that again in a world with ATGMs, guided artillery, and precision munitions. A formation like that is just too big and juicy of a target. There's also the matter of having the logistical competence to coordinate, move, and support a formation like that. Remember the giant Russian convoy that got stranded at the beginning of this war? Yeah... |
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Posted: 4/26/2023 11:00:03 AM EDT
[#34]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I'm not sure we're ever going to see that again in a world with ATGMs, guided artillery, and precision munitions. A formation like that is just too big and juicy of a target. There's also the matter of having the logistical competence to coordinate, move, and support a formation like that. Remember the giant Russian convoy that got stranded at the beginning of this war? Yeah... Fair points |
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Posted: 4/26/2023 11:09:48 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Historically speaking...is their any reason to believe they have made great strides in tank design? The Armata is reported to have had a few build issues, and has some excellent shot traps all around the turret |
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Posted: 4/26/2023 11:12:53 AM EDT
[#36]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Fair points Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I'm not sure we're ever going to see that again in a world with ATGMs, guided artillery, and precision munitions. A formation like that is just too big and juicy of a target. There's also the matter of having the logistical competence to coordinate, move, and support a formation like that. Remember the giant Russian convoy that got stranded at the beginning of this war? Yeah... Fair points The Russians are not good at things so basic we over look them. Like communications, and basic logistics. They use the tactics they use because of these fundamental shortcomings. I don't know if they were much better during the cold war or if we just wildly over estimated them, but they are operating at Great Patriotic War levels of proficiency. |
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Posted: 4/26/2023 11:15:56 AM EDT
[#37]
They made the turret heavier so it doesn't fly unto low earth orbit before hitting the troops closest to the frame.
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Posted: 4/26/2023 11:21:52 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I'm not sure we're ever going to see that again in a world with ATGMs, guided artillery, and precision munitions. A formation like that is just too big and juicy of a target. There's also the matter of having the logistical competence to coordinate, move, and support a formation like that. Remember the giant Russian convoy that got stranded at the beginning of this war? Yeah... Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: It seems pretty crazy to me that we haven't seen huge tank battles like they had in WW2. Both countries just seem to be putting tanks into combat all piece meal and such. I mean we were totally expecting 10s of thousands of tanks and armored vehicles to be thundering threw the Fulda Gap. For the longest time. I'm not sure we're ever going to see that again in a world with ATGMs, guided artillery, and precision munitions. A formation like that is just too big and juicy of a target. There's also the matter of having the logistical competence to coordinate, move, and support a formation like that. Remember the giant Russian convoy that got stranded at the beginning of this war? Yeah... Tank battles have gone the way of the dodo. I think their best use is to soften up and breach enemy positions and only hold long enough for infantry to establish control. I think Tank on tank stuff is sort of a useless dick measuring contest wasting valuable assets that should be avoided at all cost. I do not think that the concept of the tank has been obsoleted, just that it's role on the battlefield and tactics and such need to be reevaluated much like how fighter planes have evolved. I'm just rambling tho. And the T14 is just another in a long line of Russian parade weapons. |
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Posted: 4/26/2023 11:22:04 AM EDT
[#39]
Quote HistoryQuoted: It seems pretty crazy to me that we haven't seen huge tank battles like they had in WW2. Both countries just seem to be putting tanks into combat all piece meal and such. I mean we were totally expecting 10s of thousands of tanks and armored vehicles to be thundering threw the Fulda Gap. For the longest time. The Fulda Gap scenario existed because it was just the Russian way of drowning the opponent in bodies. Remember, they had a VERY tight timetable to seize objectives. Every war game I ever participated in while stationed in Europe went nuclear by day 7. Russians and Ukranians too for that matter, do not have the capability to coordinate, supply or deploy large tank formations. |
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Posted: 4/26/2023 3:16:29 PM EDT
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