Posted: 2/12/2013 1:03:54 PM EDT
| Probably beaten to death already..... I know it has to go to an FFL, but what carrier to use to ship. Can I ship USPS or does it have to be UPS or FEDEX. I know that I can ship a rifle through USPS, but does this qualify ? |
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Probably beaten to death already..... I know it has to go to an FFL, but what carrier to use to ship. Can I ship USPS or does it have to be UPS or FEDEX. I know that I can ship a rifle through USPS, but does this qualify ? <----FFL Unless you are a licensed dealer or manufacturer you cant mail that lower. It is an "Other Firearm", not a rifle, not a shotgun. Firearms other than rifles or shotguns are not mailable except by licensed dealers and manufacturers. You can ship it via FedEx or UPS. |
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So I'm assuming that since it has never been assembled it has to go through FED EX or UPS? I've had it for8 months sitting in my safe, and want to sell it to fund another build... Just UPS ground it. Adult Signature Required, insurance for safe measure. Best thing is to box it home and take it to the UPS hub NOT "THE UPS STORE"! |
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If it's a stripped lower that was once a rifle you're GTG with USPS. Nope. ATF is clear......a frame, receiver or an AR lower is NOT a long gun, nor a handgun..............it's an Other Firearm. The receiving dealer will log it as an Other Firearm and cannot (per ATF) log it as a "Rifle" or "Long Gun". |
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Quoted: Quoted: If it's a stripped lower that was once a rifle you're GTG with USPS. Nope. ATF is clear......a frame, receiver or an AR lower is NOT a long gun, nor a handgun..............it's an Other Firearm. The receiving dealer will log it as an Other Firearm and cannot (per ATF) log it as a "Rifle" or "Long Gun". If it left the factory papered as a rifle, it's a rifle - period. |
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If it's a stripped lower that was once a rifle you're GTG with USPS. Nope. ATF is clear......a frame, receiver or an AR lower is NOT a long gun, nor a handgun..............it's an Other Firearm. The receiving dealer will log it as an Other Firearm and cannot (per ATF) log it as a "Rifle" or "Long Gun". If it left the factory papered as a rifle, it's a rifle - period. Not really. It is what it is. It may only be able to be assembled as a rifle but it is still a stripped receiver and subject to the same restrictions on sales/transfers as any other stripped receiver. This is similar to putting a 16"+ barrel on a SBR and not needing to have an approved 5220.20 to take it to different states. |
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If it's a stripped lower that was once a rifle you're GTG with USPS. Nope. ATF is clear......a frame, receiver or an AR lower is NOT a long gun, nor a handgun..............it's an Other Firearm. The receiving dealer will log it as an Other Firearm and cannot (per ATF) log it as a "Rifle" or "Long Gun". If it left the factory papered as a rifle, it's a rifle - period. 100% completely, absolutely wrong. ATF has stated repeatedly that a frame or receiver of a firearm is an "Other Firearm"....not a long gun nor handgun, even if it can only be made ito one of those. When a dealer receives a stripped AR lower receiver he is REQUIRED to record it in his bound book as a RECEIVER or OTHER.....he has no choice. If you don't believe me just read the instructions on the Form 4473 Question 18 Type of Firearm (bottom left corner of page 5). <-----FFL who has NEVER received a stripped lower that has been "factory papered" as anything......manufacturers just don't do that. |
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You are both talking past each other.
The lower receiver once assembled into a rifle is a rifle by ATF regs/rulings. How an FFL logs it in receipt is a different matter, as the FFL has no knowledge of its previous history. But that does not matter. A stripped lower is not a "long gun" by USPS regulations and cannot be mailed via USPS. |
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So I'm assuming that since it has never been assembled it has to go through FED EX or UPS? I've had it for8 months sitting in my safe, and want to sell it to fund another build... Just UPS ground it. Adult Signature Required, insurance for safe measure. Best thing is to box it home and take it to the UPS hub NOT "THE UPS STORE"! My staples has been awesome to me. I shipped 10 different boxes of ammo through them in the last 10 days  And its noe like a lower is going to have " AR 15 BABY KILLER INSIDE" Stickers on the box.
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Just to clarify everything that has been said:
1) Go into UPS HUB Center 2) Declare I have a AR15 Lower Receiver Non assembled to ship ( with copy of FFL ) 3) Request ground shipping, insurance and signature. ( Ground because it's not an actual "Firearm" Per se, and it does not have to require next day air. *EDIT* I would prefer ground shipping because Next day air is credulously over priced. |
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Just to clarify everything that has been said: 1) Go into UPS HUB Center 2) Declare I have a AR15 Lower Receiver Non assembled to ship ( with copy of FFL ) 3) Request ground shipping, insurance and signature. ( Ground because it's not an actual "Firearm" Per se, and it does not have to require next day air. *EDIT* I would prefer ground shipping because Next day air is credulously over priced. Ground because it's not a HANDGUN. |
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Next question... FFL Requests a copy of my driver's license..... This is normal ? Just a little leary of sending my D/L to another state. I am assuming he needs it for his book ? Completely normal. Federal law requires that the dealer record the identity of the person shipping the firearm.....a DL is the easiest way to do this. I will not receive a firearm without DL or FFL. |
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If it's a stripped lower that was once a rifle you're GTG with USPS. Nope. ATF is clear......a frame, receiver or an AR lower is NOT a long gun, nor a handgun..............it's an Other Firearm. The receiving dealer will log it as an Other Firearm and cannot (per ATF) log it as a "Rifle" or "Long Gun". So can this be used to 'launder' receivers like 'laundering' money? 
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Next question... FFL Requests a copy of my driver's license..... This is normal ? Just a little leary of sending my D/L to another state. I am assuming he needs it for his book ? Completely normal. Federal law requires that the dealer record the identity of the person shipping the firearm.....a DL is the easiest way to do this. I will not receive a firearm without DL or FFL. Exactly what info is required from the drivers license and written in the FFL bound book? |
| All of the above is a giant pain in the arse. Take it to an FFL and have them transfer it. It'll cost you $15-$30 (or whatever the fee is), but its better than dealing with all that horse sh't. Selling stripped lowers in a giant PITA and IMO, not worth the hassle. I'd have to be really hard up for some cash to go through all that. |