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11/18/2005 7:05:55 PM EDT
While I was drinking a coke I got to thinking...how the heck do they makes coke cans?  Are they cast....stamped...what?  And how do they seal them?
11/18/2005 7:09:28 PM EDT
[#1]
The sides and bottom are stamped from one flat piece. The top is roll crimped to the can.
11/18/2005 7:13:08 PM EDT
[#2]

The sides and bottom are stamped from one flat piece. The top is roll crimped to the can.



Wow....I cant even see or feel the seems.
11/18/2005 7:13:09 PM EDT
[#3]

Quoted:
The sides and bottom are stamped from one flat piece. The top is roll crimped to the can.



Way to ruin one of life's mysteries!
11/18/2005 7:15:53 PM EDT
[#4]
I thought this was gonna be about silencers.
11/18/2005 7:15:59 PM EDT
[#5]

Quoted:

Quoted:
The sides and bottom are stamped from one flat piece. The top is roll crimped to the can.



Way to ruin one of life's mysteries!



It's how they make brass too.
11/18/2005 7:17:34 PM EDT
[#6]

Quoted:

The sides and bottom are stamped from one flat piece. The top is roll crimped to the can.



Wow....I cant even see or feel the seems.


What seams?
The rollcrimp on the top is pretty obvious.
11/18/2005 7:17:50 PM EDT
[#7]

Quoted:
I thought this was gonna be about silencers.



+1
11/18/2005 7:19:06 PM EDT
[#8]

Quoted:

The sides and bottom are stamped from one flat piece. The top is roll crimped to the can.



Wow....I cant even see or feel the seems.



that's because there aren't any
11/18/2005 7:19:45 PM EDT
[#9]

Quoted:

Quoted:
I thought this was gonna be about silencers.



+1



I thought it was going to be about cans in the sense of canned vegetables/tuna/etc.
11/18/2005 7:23:20 PM EDT
[#10]

What seams?



The side one.
11/18/2005 7:35:00 PM EDT
[#11]
They grow on trees in Atlanta, GA
11/18/2005 8:21:35 PM EDT
[#12]

Quoted:

What seams?



The side one.




Quoted:

Quoted:

The sides and bottom are stamped from one flat piece. The top is roll crimped to the can.



Wow....I cant even see or feel the seems.



that's because there aren't any


11/18/2005 8:23:59 PM EDT
[#13]
I Thought I was gonna see boobies...
11/18/2005 8:27:45 PM EDT
[#14]

Quoted:
I Thought I was gonna see boobies...



boobies kind of make themselves, in a way...
11/18/2005 8:29:52 PM EDT
[#15]
Theres a local guy that perfected the process for stamping the seemless aluminum can. The money is in the fact that his process can make a stronger container out of less material. His goal is to make as much of the can out of one very light and thin piece of aluminum. That's why the tops of the cans have been getting smaller and smaller.

His company name is Redicon. He is a self made multi millionaire with a high school diploma. He grew up as a middle class kid and went to public school. For the right man with the right idea and the drive to see it through, the American dream is a reality.
11/18/2005 8:30:26 PM EDT
[#16]

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The sides and bottom are stamped from one flat piece.





Sort of - technically refered to as deep drawn, since it's a multi-stamping process.





 Aluminum. The recyclability and light weight of aluminum make it a popular choice, especially in the beverage industry. Other properties include high light and thermal reflectivity, good corrosion resistance and ease of forming. The cost of aluminum is generally more expensive than steel. This is dependent on the cost of energy used in the aluminum manufacturing process. The temper of the metal is indicated by the letters "O" and "H," with a number indicating hardness. "O" temper is the softest available with the lowest strength and is generally used for foil. "H" is strain hardened, with the higher numbers, i.e., "H18," indicating the highest degree of hardening.

 Cans, both steel and aluminum, are made by two techniques - two- or three-piece construction. Three-piece cans consist of a body with a side seam which is soldered, welded or cemented. In a two-piece can, the bottom and body are formed, or "drawn," from a single piece of metal. The can's ends contain a seal which acts as a gasket and are double-seamed to the body. Can sizes are designated by two three-digit numbers referring to diameter by height, such as 307 X 409 (or #2 can). The first digit indicates inches, the second indicates sixteenth inches.

11/18/2005 8:30:37 PM EDT
[#17]

Quoted:
I thought this was gonna be about silencers.



If you wanna know how to make that kind of can just read Clancy's Without Remorse.  It's so easy!
11/18/2005 8:43:54 PM EDT
[#18]

I thought this was gonna be about silencers.


Its never too late.

I asked Santa for a can but he told me the crap bag sherrif in this county won't sign. I guess I'll have to start a business.
11/18/2005 8:47:30 PM EDT
[#19]

Quoted:

Quoted:
I thought this was gonna be about silencers.



+1



+2

BTW does any body know of a friendly silencer maker ( legal ) in maryland i have a design i would like to try out, and i figured to do it with them would be an easy way to try it out legally
11/18/2005 8:52:47 PM EDT
[#20]
how cans are made
11/18/2005 9:37:06 PM EDT
[#21]

Quoted:
I Thought I was gonna see boobies...



+1
11/19/2005 4:53:23 AM EDT
[#22]

Quoted:

Quoted:


The sides and bottom are stamped from one flat piece.





Sort of - technically refered to as deep drawn, since it's a multi-stamping process.





 Aluminum. The recyclability and light weight of aluminum make it a popular choice, especially in the beverage industry. Other properties include high light and thermal reflectivity, good corrosion resistance and ease of forming. The cost of aluminum is generally more expensive than steel. This is dependent on the cost of energy used in the aluminum manufacturing process. The temper of the metal is indicated by the letters "O" and "H," with a number indicating hardness. "O" temper is the softest available with the lowest strength and is generally used for foil. "H" is strain hardened, with the higher numbers, i.e., "H18," indicating the highest degree of hardening.

 Cans, both steel and aluminum, are made by two techniques - two- or three-piece construction. Three-piece cans consist of a body with a side seam which is soldered, welded or cemented. In a two-piece can, the bottom and body are formed, or "drawn," from a single piece of metal. The can's ends contain a seal which acts as a gasket and are double-seamed to the body. Can sizes are designated by two three-digit numbers referring to diameter by height, such as 307 X 409 (or #2 can). The first digit indicates inches, the second indicates sixteenth inches.




Technically, it's a deep-draw extrusion die, a can like that would need at leasy a dozen hits from the flat to get that deep. I've also seen "one-hit-wonder" dies that smashed an aluminum pellet in a cavity to do the same job, but that's strictly lower volume as there are runablilty issues with the tools.

If you ever want to ween yourself off of canned drinks, go to a stamping plant and smell the lubes that we use... Your pop cans are literally covered in that shit when being made. A lot of it is animal-fat based and gets really ripe in the summer...

Dave (tool and die maker)
11/19/2005 4:55:28 AM EDT
[#23]
The link from hanau is good,  but what they don't tell you is that the roll of aluminum they

start with is about 8' in dia and about four feet wide.  There were two presses next to each other

and each one stampes out eight slugs every one to two seconds.  The next stamping in the same

die forms them to the size of a tuna fish can.  Then they form them to half the length of a soda

can and the last form makes them full length.  The inking process takes about one second,  you

can't really see it happen. If I remember right,  they make over 120,000 can per shift.

There was (and may still be) a place in Fairfield Ca. called ball mfg. that made soda cans.  It's

impressive to watch.  The noise in that place is deafening.

jb
11/19/2005 5:00:44 AM EDT
[#24]
watch "How it's made" on the science channel if you like to see how everyday stuff is made, kind of a cool show actually.
I think it on Wed nights.
11/19/2005 5:13:47 AM EDT
[#25]

Quoted:
Theres a local guy that perfected the process for stamping the seemless aluminum can. The money is in the fact that his process can make a stronger container out of less material. His goal is to make as much of the can out of one very light and thin piece of aluminum. That's why the tops of the cans have been getting smaller and smaller.

His company name is Redicon. He is a self made multi millionaire with a high school diploma. He grew up as a middle class kid and went to public school. For the right man with the right idea and the drive to see it through, the American dream is a reality.



Beavercreek, right?  Or near there, I went to Fairmont East, then Centerville.

G
11/19/2005 5:26:42 AM EDT
[#26]

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A lot of it is animal-fat based and gets really ripe in the summer...

Dave (tool and die maker)


That stuff is awesome in the second week of July.
11/19/2005 5:31:01 AM EDT
[#27]
Gosh, I love this place! (the hive)

Is there ANYTHING we don't know?
11/19/2005 5:34:32 AM EDT
[#28]

Quoted:
The sides and bottom are stamped from one flat piece. The top is roll crimped to the can.



Yep, and what's really amazing is that the lithograph is already on the sheets before they are drawn.

Takes some skilled diemakers to make dies capable of drawing that deep without scratching that off at some point.

11/19/2005 5:42:33 AM EDT
[#29]

Quoted:
Gosh, I love this place! (the hive)

Is there ANYTHING we don't know?



I'm surprised no one's ever figured out what kind of gun Al Pacino uses in Heat?

11/19/2005 6:34:18 AM EDT
[#30]

Quoted:

Quoted:
The sides and bottom are stamped from one flat piece. The top is roll crimped to the can.



Yep, and what's really amazing is that the lithograph is already on the sheets before they are drawn.

Takes some skilled diemakers to make dies capable of drawing that deep without scratching that off at some point.




Are you sure about that? According to the link on page one, they are made to full length, trimmed, and then printed on.
11/19/2005 8:21:58 AM EDT
[#31]

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Are you sure about that? According to the link on page one, they are made to full length, trimmed, and then printed on.





I've seen it done. Worked in a can mfg plant many years ago. All the blanks came in with the litho already on them, ran through a slitter then into the presses.

The litho was already on all the raw blanks, even the welded seam stuff that ran through a body maker.

Maybe they do it another way now, who knows.


11/19/2005 12:00:42 PM EDT
[#32]

Quoted:

Quoted:


Are you sure about that? According to the link on page one, they are made to full length, trimmed, and then printed on.





I've seen it done. Worked in a can mfg plant many years ago. All the blanks came in with the litho already on them, ran through a slitter then into the presses.

The litho was already on all the raw blanks, even the welded seam stuff that ran through a body maker.

Maybe they do it another way now, who knows.





That's pretty cool. You'd have to be pretty smart to figure out how the image would stretch and all that...

Just curious, what cans were they (such as Coke, Dr. Pepper, etc.)?
11/19/2005 1:02:44 PM EDT
[#33]
mine aren't stamped.

they come from Arsenal and are milled.
11/19/2005 3:33:37 PM EDT
[#34]

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Way to ruin one of life's mysteries!


Next you'll be asking how they get pencil lead into the pencil. Some of you guys need to watch more educational TV. They cover this type of thing pretty regularly on some of those shows
11/20/2005 6:48:53 AM EDT
[#35]

Quoted:

Quoted:

Quoted:


Are you sure about that? According to the link on page one, they are made to full length, trimmed, and then printed on.





I've seen it done. Worked in a can mfg plant many years ago. All the blanks came in with the litho already on them, ran through a slitter then into the presses.

The litho was already on all the raw blanks, even the welded seam stuff that ran through a body maker.

Maybe they do it another way now, who knows.





That's pretty cool. You'd have to be pretty smart to figure out how the image would stretch and all that...

Just curious, what cans were they (such as Coke, Dr. Pepper, etc.)?


Sounds like he's talking about two different type cans.
The Aluminum soda cans we're talking about aren't welded.
It'd be one thing to take a flat with a label on it, bend it and weld it. It'd be different to make the seemless can discussed.
11/20/2005 6:09:35 PM EDT
[#36]

Quoted:

Quoted:

Quoted:

Quoted:


Are you sure about that? According to the link on page one, they are made to full length, trimmed, and then printed on.





I've seen it done. Worked in a can mfg plant many years ago. All the blanks came in with the litho already on them, ran through a slitter then into the presses.

The litho was already on all the raw blanks, even the welded seam stuff that ran through a body maker.

Maybe they do it another way now, who knows.





That's pretty cool. You'd have to be pretty smart to figure out how the image would stretch and all that...

Just curious, what cans were they (such as Coke, Dr. Pepper, etc.)?


Sounds like he's talking about two different type cans.
The Aluminum soda cans we're talking about aren't welded.
It'd be one thing to take a flat with a label on it, bend it and weld it. It'd be different to make the seemless can discussed.



Oh, I see, I didn't read his post very well.