[ARCHIVED THREAD] - How much did ACORN get? (Page 1 of 2)
Posted: 2/14/2009 8:24:14 AM EDT
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Rep. Mike Pence says $2 billion
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But doesn't ACORN only get people registered to vote? Not do the actual voting? I say that's a good thing.
Anways. It is a good thing that more and more people are voting. Although. During the election it was used as a front to basically shove propaganda down these peoples throats. They knew nothing about the election and was told to vote Obama. That obama will house them and feed them. Honestly. I find that any agency that involved in elections that basically round up voters in areas that may be economically unstable should not have any ties to a political party. All this bill is, is basically a payback for voting obama in. Its full of thank you pork. Here is your cheese. |
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Payoff for a job well done. Ohio was a 9% loss for McCain, they really kicked some ass here and the courts helped them right along allowing people to register to vote with a park bench as an address. We'll be lucky if a Republican ever wins another Presidential election with incentive like this. Even after it was proven that they engaged in voter fraud, they still get paid. Gotta love America today. |
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Quoted: Obama and every single Dem who voted for this stealfromus package needs to be thrown out of office and put on trial for taxpayer fraud. They have looted the National Treasury pure and simple. Really ?? And what about pres brush and his band of fools and thieves who began nationalization the nation's banking system ?? How about all the billions brush claimed was needed to bail out mortgages ?? Lou Dobbs reported last night that 38 mortgages had their terms altered with all those billions........................THIRTY - EIGHT. 5sub |
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I don't see anything in the bill that gives money directly to ACORN, but there are a few "community development" programs where they could receive funds.
COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT FUND
Public Housing Capital Fund Recovery Funding: $5 billion A HUD study substantiates an $18-20 billion backlog in the Public Housing Capital Funding account, an amount that grows annually without significant investments in public housing units. This funding will allow Public Housing Authorities (PHAs) to complete repair and construction projects, including critical safety repairs, create jobs for underemployed construction workers, and will return funds to local economies. It is estimated that every dollar of Capital Fund expenditures produces $2.12 in economic return. Of the amount appropriated, $4 billion of the funds will be distributed to PHAs through the existing formula and $1 billion will be awarded through a competitive process for projects that rehabilitate units to improve energy efficiency; that increase affordable housing projects that are ready-to-go; and, address the housing needs of senior citizens and persons with disabilities. Community Development Block Grants Recovery Funding: $1 billion Funding for CDBG is one of the fastest ways to get dollars in the hands of local governments for critical housing, services and infrastructure needs. The funding provided in this legislation will be distributed through the existing formula for expediency, and is required to adhere to an accelerated timeframe. These dollars will help to support community services, will provide infrastructure dollars for local governments, and will help to stem the number of foreclosures in local communities. Neighborhood Stabilization Program Recovery Funding: $4.19 billion Nearly $4 billion was provided for the Neighborhood Stabilization Program through the Housing and Economic Recovery Act of 2008. This funding was provided to local governments and States with high levels of foreclosures as a way for the local community to purchase and rehabilitate this vacant housing. In an effort to eliminate blight and return these vacant units to use as affordable rental housing and affordable homeownership opportunities, this funding will help local communities remediate the consequences of the foreclosure crisis and will increase the number of assisted low-income families. An additional $4.19 billion is necessary to address the increasing number of foreclosures, the numbers of which are expected to climb over the coming year. Up to $750 million may be used for a competition for nonprofit entities to enhance the funding included under this heading through capitalization of the funds. SHOP Program Recovery Funding: $10 million The SHOP funding will be competitively awarded to eligible national and regional nonprofit housing organizations to develop or rehabilitate low-income housing. This competition will emphasize rehabilitation in rural, high-need areas, especially projects that will employ sustainable building practices for increased energy efficiency. Grants will be awarded quickly, and construction work will begin rapidly to help employ underemployed construction workers while building and improving housing for low-income Americans. Emergency Shelter Grants Recovery Funding: $1.5 billion As foreclosure and unemployment rates continue to rise, many families are in danger of becoming homeless. To prevent a surge in homelessness, funding through the Emergency Shelter Grant program will provide short term rental assistance, housing relocation, and stabilization services for homeless families and those at risk of homelessness. It is estimated that $1.5 billion may prevent 300,000 households from becoming homeless. These funds will be distributed by formula for fast, efficient assistance to families. Lead-Based Paint Hazards Recovery Funding: $100 million Funding will be awarded competitively to states and local governments to evaluate and reduce lead-based paint hazards in low-income housing and to nonprofit organizations to leverage private sector resources to eliminate lead poisoning as a public health threat to children. The remediation of lead-based paint in housing requires rehabilitation work and will create jobs in the construction industry, as well as reduce the threat to low-income children. |
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Quoted: Obama and every single Dem who voted for this stealfromus package needs to be thrown out of office and put on trial for taxpayer fraud. They have looted the National Treasury pure and simple. Yup and they did it in broad daylight in full view of the Nation. Good stuff right there. |
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Obama and every single Dem who voted for this stealfromus package needs to be thrown out of office and put on trial for taxpayer fraud. They have looted the National Treasury pure and simple. Really ?? And what about pres brush and his band of fools and thieves who began nationalization the nation's banking system ?? How about all the billions brush claimed was needed to bail out mortgages ?? Lou Dobbs reported last night that 38 mortgages had their terms altered with all those billions........................THIRTY - EIGHT. 5sub
Yes, really!!! There's plenty of blame to go arround but I'll be quite content to put the bulk of it with Obama and the Dems. |
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Obama and every single Dem who voted for this stealfromus package needs to be thrown out of office and put on trial for taxpayer fraud. They have looted the National Treasury pure and simple. Really ?? And what about pres brush and his band of fools and thieves who began nationalization the nation's banking system ?? How about all the billions brush claimed was needed to bail out mortgages ?? Lou Dobbs reported last night that 38 mortgages had their terms altered with all those billions........................THIRTY - EIGHT. 5sub
And Bush is not in power now. This has nothing to do with Bush. Are you trying to say the because Bush did something bad Obama should do something even worse? What is your point? |
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I don't see anything in the bill that gives money directly to ACORN, but there are a few "community development" programs where they could receive funds. COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT FUND
Public Housing Capital Fund Recovery Funding: $5 billion A HUD study substantiates an $18-20 billion backlog in the Public Housing Capital Funding account, an amount that grows annually without significant investments in public housing units. This funding will allow Public Housing Authorities (PHAs) to complete repair and construction projects, including critical safety repairs, create jobs for underemployed construction workers, and will return funds to local economies. It is estimated that every dollar of Capital Fund expenditures produces $2.12 in economic return. Of the amount appropriated, $4 billion of the funds will be distributed to PHAs through the existing formula and $1 billion will be awarded through a competitive process for projects that rehabilitate units to improve energy efficiency; that increase affordable housing projects that are ready-to-go; and, address the housing needs of senior citizens and persons with disabilities. This one is actually good, if you live in a city with public housing near by, you would agree. Broken down public housing is a hornets nest of crime and no one wants to touch them. Either fix Section8 housing or knock it down. Community Development Block Grants Recovery Funding: $1 billion Funding for CDBG is one of the fastest ways to get dollars in the hands of local governments for critical housing, services and infrastructure needs. The funding provided in this legislation will be distributed through the existing formula for expediency, and is required to adhere to an accelerated timeframe. These dollars will help to support community services, will provide infrastructure dollars for local governments, and will help to stem the number of foreclosures in local communities. Could this be any more vague of a proposal? Exactly WHAT community services? Neighborhood Stabilization Program Recovery Funding: $4.19 billion Nearly $4 billion was provided for the Neighborhood Stabilization Program through the Housing and Economic Recovery Act of 2008. This funding was provided to local governments and States with high levels of foreclosures as a way for the local community to purchase and rehabilitate this vacant housing. In an effort to eliminate blight and return these vacant units to use as affordable rental housing and affordable homeownership opportunities, this funding will help local communities remediate the consequences of the foreclosure crisis and will increase the number of assisted low-income families. An additional $4.19 billion is necessary to address the increasing number of foreclosures, the numbers of which are expected to climb over the coming year. Up to $750 million may be used for a competition for nonprofit entities to enhance the funding included under this heading through capitalization of the funds. Basically this program takes empty foreclosed homes and rents them out to the homeless I guess. Well better than them roaming the streets I guess, but at the same time I don't know if I would want my local government to own most of my block if I moved in that neighborhood. SHOP Program Recovery Funding: $10 million The SHOP funding will be competitively awarded to eligible national and regional nonprofit housing organizations to develop or rehabilitate low-income housing. This competition will emphasize rehabilitation in rural, high-need areas, especially projects that will employ sustainable building practices for increased energy efficiency. Grants will be awarded quickly, and construction work will begin rapidly to help employ underemployed construction workers while building and improving housing for low-income Americans. Job creator on paper, more public housing in reality. It is a grant competition though, so fine let the nerdy college libreal types design futuristic shopping carts and Urban windmills for all I care. Emergency Shelter Grants Recovery Funding: $1.5 billion As foreclosure and unemployment rates continue to rise, many families are in danger of becoming homeless. To prevent a surge in homelessness, funding through the Emergency Shelter Grant program will provide short term rental assistance, housing relocation, and stabilization services for homeless families and those at risk of homelessness. It is estimated that $1.5 billion may prevent 300,000 households from becoming homeless. These funds will be distributed by formula for fast, efficient assistance to families. Another homeless program!? Surprise!
Lead-Based Paint Hazards Recovery Funding: $100 million Funding will be awarded competitively to states and local governments to evaluate and reduce lead-based paint hazards in low-income housing and to nonprofit organizations to leverage private sector resources to eliminate lead poisoning as a public health threat to children. The remediation of lead-based paint in housing requires rehabilitation work and will create jobs in the construction industry, as well as reduce the threat to low-income children. The person that decided to throw so much money at these most likely eat lead paint right? |
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im still not really sure wth a community organizer is. never saw or heard the term in use until bambam came on the scene. maybe only certain communities need to be organized?? please explain. is this basically another of the many liberal circle jerks of accomplishment and activity? this bill is a damn disaster. |
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Can Anyone Show me where Acorn is mentioned in Porkulus?
Answer it isnt Here is the answer you dont want to know Q: Does the stimulus bill include a $5.2 billion payoff for ACORN? I would appreciate having FactCheck.org look into whether ACORN will receive $5.23 billion from the Obama stimulus package under the guise of “stabilizing neighborhoods.” I have been bombarded by e-mails from an acquaintance about this. What can you find about this? Thank you. A: The bill does include funds for which ACORN would be eligible to compete - against hundreds of other groups. But most is for a housing rehabilitation program ACORN says it never applied for in the past and won't in the future. For the past two weeks, Republicans have been raising a new charge against a familiar enemy, claiming that the Democrats' stimulus bill includes as much as $5.2 billion in "goodies" for the Association of Community Organization for Reform Now (ACORN). Last fall, Republicans accused ACORN of "massive voter fraud," a claim which we said was exaggerated. The group has since become a favorite target of Republicans, so it understandably raises a few hackles when House Republican leader John Boehner's Web site proclaims that the bill provides "a taxpayer-funded bonanza" for ACORN. And Republican Sen. David Vitter goes even further, telling Newsmax TV that the provisions amount to "a political payoff." Also, the National Republican Trust PAC has taken up the issue in fundraising pitches. But these claims are wildly exaggerated and rely upon faulty logic. Let's start with the (very few) claims that critics get right. The House version of the stimulus bill does indeed include about $1 billion in funding for the Community Development Block Grants (CDBG) program and another $4.2 billion ($2.2 billion in the Senate's version) in funding for the Neighborhood Stabilization Program (NSP). Neither program is new: CDBG has been around since President Ford (a Republican) signed it into law in 1974, while the NSP was authorized in 2008 as part of the Housing and Economic Recovery Act signed into law by President Bush. On its Web site, the U.S. Department of Housing and Urban Development, which runs both programs, describes CDBG as "a flexible program that provides communities with resources to address a wide range of unique community development needs." But those funds cannot be used for anything resembling ACORN's controversial voter registration programs. HUD has very strict rules for projects that can be funded through CDBG grants, including promotion of home ownership and micro-enterprise assistance. ACORN has long been eligible for CDBG funds, and Boehner's Web site points out that the group has received almost $1.6 million (not billion) in CDBG grants over a four-year span. NSP's mission is more limited: Its funds are used to purchase foreclosed or abandoned homes, redevelop and then resell them, with the aim of stabilizing home prices. Boehner and Vitter claimed to smell a rat in the stimulus package's language that allows nonprofit entities to compete directly for NSP funds. When the NSP was created last year, only state and local governments were eligible to participate in the program. The new language in the stimulus bill, Republicans argue, is a way to funnel money to ACORN. We make no judgments about the wisdom of allowing nonprofits to compete with state and local governments for NSP funds. Is this a "payoff" or "goodies" for liberal allies, or for ACORN specifically? Actually, both programs hand out grants only on a competitive basis. ACORN – and any other nonprofit entity – would be eligible to compete for NSP funds (as it already does for CDBG funds), but the key words here are "eligible" and "compete." Competition would likely be stiff. In 2008, NSP's first year, states handed out funds to a total of 308 grantees. The NSP rules would require ACORN to show that it would spend the money to renovate and resell foreclosed homes more efficiently than other applicants. Moreover, ACORN is already indirectly eligible for NSP money; current law permits state and local governments to subcontract work, and ACORN would be eligible to compete for funds at the local level. However, ACORN didn't get any NSP money last year and says it doesn't plan to apply for NSP money in the future. Indeed, renovating foreclosed properties is not something the group has done in the past; its efforts in the home-buying industry focus mainly on developing new affordable housing and eliminating what it calls "predatory financial practices" by mortgage lenders. The group's chief organizer, Bertha Lewis, writes: Lewis: We have not received neighborhood stabilization funds, have no plans to apply for such funds, and didn't weigh in on the pending rule changes. Faulty Logic |
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I predict we will see more acorn offices nationwide than we have Starbucks Coffee shops. With this money, they are now a major socialist political organization, with offices in every city Very well said my friend. WTF are we American taxpayers doing funding a private socialist organization run by the Democrats! That's just not f*cking kosher. At all. |
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What was their budget prior to this. IIRC it was around 25 million. Think they'll be able to hack our elections with 40 times the budget? We're not going to get rid of the socialists through voting for a very long time. Did Mickey Mouse and Donald Duck show up and vote? So far the voting fraud allegation is because workers getting paid to register voters just made up names so they would get paid. Well unless the imaginary people show up to vote (they didnt) then the only one defrauded was ACORN for hiring these people Here is Porkulus. Please show me where ACORN is mentioned http://appropriations.house.gov/pdf/PressSummary01-15-09.pdf Who is affected by this voter fraud more? http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/2003982533_acorn30m.html?syndication=rss Three of seven defendants in the biggest voter-registration fraud scheme in Washington history have pleaded guilty and one has been sentenced, prosecutors said Monday. The defendants were all temporary employees of ACORN, the Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now, when they allegedly filled out and submitted more than 1,800 fictitious voter-registration cards during a 2006 registration drive in King and Pierce counties. No votes were cast in the names of the phony voters. Prosecutors said the defendants committed fraud in order to keep their jobs without actually registering voters |
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What was their budget prior to this. IIRC it was around 25 million. Think they'll be able to hack our elections with 40 times the budget? We're not going to get rid of the socialists through voting for a very long time. In fact they will increase their numbers......We have a Anti-American Marxist Black Panther who has the keys to the treasury and now took over the census bureau so he and ACORN can manipulate voting districts all across America. Who is going to stop him ..???..........The Marxist MSM? |
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What was their budget prior to this. IIRC it was around 25 million. Think they'll be able to hack our elections with 40 times the budget? We're not going to get rid of the socialists through voting for a very long time. Did Mickey Mouse and Donald Duck show up and vote? So far the voting fraud allegation is because workers getting paid to register voters just made up names so they would get paid. Well unless the imaginary people show up to vote (they didnt) then the only one defrauded was ACORN for hiring these people Here is Porkulus. Please show me where ACORN is mentioned http://appropriations.house.gov/pdf/PressSummary01-15-09.pdf Who is affected by this voter fraud more? http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/2003982533_acorn30m.html?syndication=rss Three of seven defendants in the biggest voter-registration fraud scheme in Washington history have pleaded guilty and one has been sentenced, prosecutors said Monday. The defendants were all temporary employees of ACORN, the Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now, when they allegedly filled out and submitted more than 1,800 fictitious voter-registration cards during a 2006 registration drive in King and Pierce counties. No votes were cast in the names of the phony voters. Prosecutors said the defendants committed fraud in order to keep their jobs without actually registering voters Are you really this naive? Also, aren't you the one railing about CEOs getting compensation for poor management? Why then should ACORN even be eligible for funds if they had this fraud happen across multiple states? |
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Can Anyone Show me where Acorn is mentioned in Porkulus? Answer it isnt Here is the answer you dont want to know Q: Does the stimulus bill include a $5.2 billion payoff for ACORN? I would appreciate having FactCheck.org look into whether ACORN will receive $5.23 billion from the Obama stimulus package under the guise of “stabilizing neighborhoods.” I have been bombarded by e-mails from an acquaintance about this. What can you find about this? Thank you. A: The bill does include funds for which ACORN would be eligible to compete - against hundreds of other groups. But most is for a housing rehabilitation program ACORN says it never applied for in the past and won't in the future. For the past two weeks, Republicans have been raising a new charge against a familiar enemy, claiming that the Democrats' stimulus bill includes as much as $5.2 billion in "goodies" for the Association of Community Organization for Reform Now (ACORN). Last fall, Republicans accused ACORN of "massive voter fraud," a claim which we said was exaggerated. The group has since become a favorite target of Republicans, so it understandably raises a few hackles when House Republican leader John Boehner's Web site proclaims that the bill provides "a taxpayer-funded bonanza" for ACORN. And Republican Sen. David Vitter goes even further, telling Newsmax TV that the provisions amount to "a political payoff." Also, the National Republican Trust PAC has taken up the issue in fundraising pitches. But these claims are wildly exaggerated and rely upon faulty logic. Let's start with the (very few) claims that critics get right. The House version of the stimulus bill does indeed include about $1 billion in funding for the Community Development Block Grants (CDBG) program and another $4.2 billion ($2.2 billion in the Senate's version) in funding for the Neighborhood Stabilization Program (NSP). Neither program is new: CDBG has been around since President Ford (a Republican) signed it into law in 1974, while the NSP was authorized in 2008 as part of the Housing and Economic Recovery Act signed into law by President Bush. On its Web site, the U.S. Department of Housing and Urban Development, which runs both programs, describes CDBG as "a flexible program that provides communities with resources to address a wide range of unique community development needs." But those funds cannot be used for anything resembling ACORN's controversial voter registration programs. HUD has very strict rules for projects that can be funded through CDBG grants, including promotion of home ownership and micro-enterprise assistance. ACORN has long been eligible for CDBG funds, and Boehner's Web site points out that the group has received almost $1.6 million (not billion) in CDBG grants over a four-year span. NSP's mission is more limited: Its funds are used to purchase foreclosed or abandoned homes, redevelop and then resell them, with the aim of stabilizing home prices. Boehner and Vitter claimed to smell a rat in the stimulus package's language that allows nonprofit entities to compete directly for NSP funds. When the NSP was created last year, only state and local governments were eligible to participate in the program. The new language in the stimulus bill, Republicans argue, is a way to funnel money to ACORN. We make no judgments about the wisdom of allowing nonprofits to compete with state and local governments for NSP funds. Is this a "payoff" or "goodies" for liberal allies, or for ACORN specifically? Actually, both programs hand out grants only on a competitive basis. ACORN – and any other nonprofit entity – would be eligible to compete for NSP funds (as it already does for CDBG funds), but the key words here are "eligible" and "compete." Competition would likely be stiff. In 2008, NSP's first year, states handed out funds to a total of 308 grantees. The NSP rules would require ACORN to show that it would spend the money to renovate and resell foreclosed homes more efficiently than other applicants. Moreover, ACORN is already indirectly eligible for NSP money; current law permits state and local governments to subcontract work, and ACORN would be eligible to compete for funds at the local level. However, ACORN didn't get any NSP money last year and says it doesn't plan to apply for NSP money in the future. Indeed, renovating foreclosed properties is not something the group has done in the past; its efforts in the home-buying industry focus mainly on developing new affordable housing and eliminating what it calls "predatory financial practices" by mortgage lenders. The group's chief organizer, Bertha Lewis, writes: Lewis: We have not received neighborhood stabilization funds, have no plans to apply for such funds, and didn't weigh in on the pending rule changes. Faulty Logic So how long have you been working for Obama and ACORN? |
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I don't see anything in the bill that gives money directly to ACORN, but there are a few "community development" programs where they could receive funds. COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT FUND
Public Housing Capital Fund Recovery Funding: $5 billion A HUD study substantiates an $18-20 billion backlog in the Public Housing Capital Funding account, an amount that grows annually without significant investments in public housing units. This funding will allow Public Housing Authorities (PHAs) to complete repair and construction projects, including critical safety repairs, create jobs for underemployed construction workers, and will return funds to local economies. It is estimated that every dollar of Capital Fund expenditures produces $2.12 in economic return. Of the amount appropriated, $4 billion of the funds will be distributed to PHAs through the existing formula and $1 billion will be awarded through a competitive process for projects that rehabilitate units to improve energy efficiency; that increase affordable housing projects that are ready-to-go; and, address the housing needs of senior citizens and persons with disabilities. Community Development Block Grants Recovery Funding: $1 billion Funding for CDBG is one of the fastest ways to get dollars in the hands of local governments for critical housing, services and infrastructure needs. The funding provided in this legislation will be distributed through the existing formula for expediency, and is required to adhere to an accelerated timeframe. These dollars will help to support community services, will provide infrastructure dollars for local governments, and will help to stem the number of foreclosures in local communities. Neighborhood Stabilization Program Recovery Funding: $4.19 billion Nearly $4 billion was provided for the Neighborhood Stabilization Program through the Housing and Economic Recovery Act of 2008. This funding was provided to local governments and States with high levels of foreclosures as a way for the local community to purchase and rehabilitate this vacant housing. In an effort to eliminate blight and return these vacant units to use as affordable rental housing and affordable homeownership opportunities, this funding will help local communities remediate the consequences of the foreclosure crisis and will increase the number of assisted low-income families. An additional $4.19 billion is necessary to address the increasing number of foreclosures, the numbers of which are expected to climb over the coming year. Up to $750 million may be used for a competition for nonprofit entities to enhance the funding included under this heading through capitalization of the funds. SHOP Program Recovery Funding: $10 million The SHOP funding will be competitively awarded to eligible national and regional nonprofit housing organizations to develop or rehabilitate low-income housing. This competition will emphasize rehabilitation in rural, high-need areas, especially projects that will employ sustainable building practices for increased energy efficiency. Grants will be awarded quickly, and construction work will begin rapidly to help employ underemployed construction workers while building and improving housing for low-income Americans. Emergency Shelter Grants Recovery Funding: $1.5 billion As foreclosure and unemployment rates continue to rise, many families are in danger of becoming homeless. To prevent a surge in homelessness, funding through the Emergency Shelter Grant program will provide short term rental assistance, housing relocation, and stabilization services for homeless families and those at risk of homelessness. It is estimated that $1.5 billion may prevent 300,000 households from becoming homeless. These funds will be distributed by formula for fast, efficient assistance to families. Lead-Based Paint Hazards Recovery Funding: $100 million Funding will be awarded competitively to states and local governments to evaluate and reduce lead-based paint hazards in low-income housing and to nonprofit organizations to leverage private sector resources to eliminate lead poisoning as a public health threat to children. The remediation of lead-based paint in housing requires rehabilitation work and will create jobs in the construction industry, as well as reduce the threat to low-income children. That is correct. Technically, they can 'manipulate' moneys to them upwards of $4 billion dollars. Hard to say yet if they can be worked into the Census process as well. |


