[ARCHIVED THREAD] - How not to order pizza (Page 1 of 2)
Posted: 5/23/2006 9:34:45 AM EDT
Some stories just make me go  Pizza Delivery Turns Up Military Ammunition http://www.kfoxtv.com/news/9151824/detail.html A number of law enforcement agencies were called out Tuesday night to an East El Paso home, after an unusual incident involving pizza. Around 9 p.m. a delivery woman stopped at a home near the intersection of Edgemere and Limerick with a pizza order. According to El Paso police, the man who lives there answered the door bearing a gun under his arm. He paid for his food without incident. The woman reportedly told her manager what happened, and the police were called. When officers went to check out the situation, the man allegedly pointed his gun at an officer. [Bonehead move] Police set up a barricade around the house, and shot the man with a bean-bag gun a short time later.  Both the El Paso police and Army bomb squads were called out, after officers found large amounts of military ammunition and weapons. Police said these included mortars and a number of guns. Police said the man is a retired military service member. He was taken into custody, and faces charges of aggravated assault. |
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Quoted: That stupid woman  Mind your own business and deliver pizza [/quote =1 In one aspect she should have minded her own business but in the other hand he could have just set it down before answering the door. Even if it was visible it probably wouldnt have been as big of a deal but holding it in plain site is kinda a boner move |
Maybe it was a doughnut covered pizza and he was afraid it would be "confiscated"? |
Maybe he had when he answered the door because he had been robbed before or threatned with death? Maybe it was handgun in a holster under his arm? |
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Military weapons, ammo, and mortars(the blackpowder kind, at least) aren't illegal, as far as I know. Pointing a gun at a cop is pretty friggin' stupid. If you have to point a gun at someone, you'd damned well better be pulling the trigger! He probably did quite a few things illegal, but we don't KNOW that. Let justice run its course. |
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Thepolice alledge he pointed the gun. Maybe he was pulling out his wallet, maybe he just had his gun under his arm like the first time the door was answered and the officer freaked. There are 2 sides to the story. He should file a civil suit against the pizza place. They had no reason to call the cops on him. |
I disagree. The purchaser of the pizza should've kept all of his hardware out of sight. Dumb, dumb, dumb. People should be aware the sheeple are pretty jittery about "terrorist." |
I'll split the difference with you guys. The delivery woman should have minded her own business, but who the heck answers the door holding their handgun under their arm? If I had been expecting trouble, I may be holding it down at my side (hidden by the door), or in my holster, out of view. What are you going to do if it was a holdup if you're keeping it under your arm? This would be different however, if it was a shoulder holster that put the pistol directly under the guy's arm, but it's hard to determine that based on how the article is written ("bearing a gun under his arm"). All bets are off though once he pointed his weapon at a cop. One heck of an expensive pizza for this guy, anyway you look at it. 
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I was being sarcastic, I agree with you. The only dumb shit here is the guy keeping illegal armaments in his home and answering an expected ring of the doorbell with a pistol under his arm. People these days must know how certain others can react to being encountered with a gun. He has no one to blame but himself. |
Come on, is it really that outlandish of a reaction? Whether or not they should have responded is besides the point. Would an intelligent person trying to keep a low profile act like this? Me thinks not. |
I wouldn't put it past an arfcommer to answer the door with a firearm |
I'm betting you live (or spent your informative years) in CA, MA, or NY right? |
Negative. I have lived in a state with pretty conservative gun ownership laws but I don't see what it has to do this discussion. Look, if the guy has a credible fear and feels the need to answer the door with a pistol, why have it tucked under his arm. He is no position to put it into immediate action. Dumb, just dumb, trying to show someone his neat toy. Now had he kept behind the door, that would have made a little more sense. If he decides he doesn't need it, he can tuck it into his waiste or back. No one is the wiser. I don't see how someone ordering a pizza and then a knock at the door 30 minutes later would apply to this. 9999 out of 10,000 times, it's gonna be a pizza delivery guy, not a threat. A lot of people don't like guns, whether or not you like that really has no bearing. I say again, are you really that surprised that the police were called? You can be pissed all you want about the wienie factor that this country is evolving too, but it is what it is. It should come as no surprise. |
That's how I see it!!! Police go through the trouble of surrounding a house and barricading the neighborhood and taking him with a beanbag gun(he's really lucky to be alive!!!!) they are not likely to say "Oops, we got a bad tip and over reacted, nothing here, going home without pressing any charges" Lying and saying he pointed at an officer is much more likely... Not that i'm saying that's how it went down, but it's the most likely scenario in my mind... |
Not even, I'd be in a body bag..... |
Yeah, really, why do you think I bought a tactical sling for my M4gery...so I can answer the door and pay for my pizza without having to hold my gun.... 
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Two sides to the story? No doubt. Police respond to nut-jobs house and said nut-job opens the door and then goes for his wallet? Not likely. I'm going with the gun for now. I would like to here the other side though. |
He said, she said. The article doesn't offer too many details, and what it does offer was gotten from the cops. It's possible that the cops just made that shit up to get the guy in trouble for being a nonrepentant gun owner and a "nut" ("what would anyone need those munitions for?"  )
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I always have a firearm in hand (and out of view) when I answer the door after dark. I don't live in the best of neighborhoods, and I've had problems in the past. It's just common sense. |
Gee, I don't know... maybe he's just comfortable with guns enough to not try to obscure the firearm, and maybe he wasn't wearing a belt (ie, his pants wouldn't hold the pistol up). If you walk to the door while holding the TV remote and have to whip out your wallet, you're going to have to use both hands to get your cash out; you'll probably keep the remote in your hand while doing so. Do so with a gun, and the woman would've freaked the fuck out and run away - so he put it under his arm. Think about this... the guy's ex-mil, and he's living in Texas, in an area with high concentrations of illegal alien invaders, during a time of high international contention between US citizens and Mexican invaders, and you think it's crazy for him to come to the door armed? My guess on the whole 'pointing a gun at the cops' ordeal: He checked out the window and parted the curtains with the pistol, and a cop saw it. They asked for him to come out, he did, and unprovoked (in his mind) they shot him with the beanbag gun to 'neutralize' him. Yeah, it's police brutality and abuse, but they'll get away with it, because "evil firearms were pointed at them"... that's their story, and they'll stick to it or they'll get suspended. They'll get away with it, because that's how things work today. |
Incidentally, wooden doors do not do a good job of stopping bullets. You can use this to your advantage. I answered the door at an aged relative's house once late at night to find a man asking for money. What he did not see was that I had a 1911 against the inside of the door, level with his head. I warned him to leave and never come back when he became beligerent. He wisely obeyed, almost as if he sensed that the muzzle of a .45 caliber handgun was six inches from his right temple. |
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hate to tell you guy's but my roomate said that out of the past 3 pizza shop's in different towns that he's worked at, they have a DND (do not deliver) to any house where a ( or any) gun was visable. So It might be a better idea to keep your hardware out of sight when getting food. . . . . ~J |
Meh... when I saw a gun in someone's house I said, "Nice 870, I've been looking to get one, but I keep spending my money on other stuff." The tips improved. |
I agree with you on this one JW,he opened the door saw the pizza dude and put the pistol under his armpit! He then had two free arms to hand the money over and take the pie! She was stupid as was her boss that called the police,but he probably didn't think it was the police(since he didn't order any police)he reacted poorly(as maybe the police)anyway he's lucky to be alive!! I'm not a police man but if you point a gun at me the gun fight is on! Bob |
wish you would deliver Pizza's here!! people get really freaked in this college town when any one even mentions "gun" |
I think CO was a bit out of our delivery area. Our pizza is good, but you'd have to promise a $500-1000 tip for a delivery like that. |