Hunter mistakenly kills woman (Page 6 of 6)
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Originally Posted By Bigdawg90: The worst part about this thread is how many people go "walking through the woods during deer season?" or "why weren't they wearing hunter orange?" It's nowhere near deer season through out the nation. That's why he was arrested. I walk through the woods all the time in khaki and OD green. You should be able to do that without thinking some old douchebag is going to mistake you for a deer. |
What it boils down to is that they fear an effective resistance to their power: So, Left in power=Guns bad, mmmmkay...?, Right in power=Guns good!-thskirk
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Originally Posted By Clemson_John: How do the hunting regulations define "shooting light"? Serious question, I don't know anything about Delaware law. I was just going by what I saw online (30 minutes). Yes, 30 minutes past shooting light. Most wardens on not going to be sticklers about the exact minute you shot though, as environmental conditions affect visibility that time of day greatly (cloudy, full moon, etc). Friday night was a well lit night and visibility was good up to 7:45. If it is ascertained he made the shot after legal shooting light he should be charged, but lack of light should not have been an issue that evening, particularly in open field. |
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Originally Posted By JAD762:  Let’s run the numbers. (As per google, of course) Hunting results in roughly 2400 er visits per year resulting in roughly 60 deaths per year with roughly 15,000,000 hunters going afield annually. That’s 16 injuries per 100,000 participants and .4 deaths per 100,000 participants annually. Compare that to bowling that has about 30 injuries per 100,000 participants or football that has 1 death per 100,000 participants annually. Which means, compared to hunting, about twice as many people get hurt bowling and twice as many people die playing football every year. https://i.pinimg.com/originals/5f/49/db/5f49db6ff24a251907a93f4c9dff3907.gif Originally Posted By JAD762: Originally Posted By Monsterbishi: Originally Posted By DmacRTCo: Originally Posted By Monsterbishi: Happens entirely too often :-( No it doesn’t. Hunting accidents are statistical anomalies. Not sure if serious or just misinformed? Let’s run the numbers. (As per google, of course) Hunting results in roughly 2400 er visits per year resulting in roughly 60 deaths per year with roughly 15,000,000 hunters going afield annually. That’s 16 injuries per 100,000 participants and .4 deaths per 100,000 participants annually. Compare that to bowling that has about 30 injuries per 100,000 participants or football that has 1 death per 100,000 participants annually. Which means, compared to hunting, about twice as many people get hurt bowling and twice as many people die playing football every year. https://i.pinimg.com/originals/5f/49/db/5f49db6ff24a251907a93f4c9dff3907.gif There's a difference though. How many people are killed by utter gross negligence in football and hunting? A hunter dies falling out of a tree stand, that's a risk of the activity. Football player dies taking a hard block, risk of the activity. Would we tolerate any number of people getting killed participating in 3 gun because the shooter mistook them for a target and shot at them? |
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Originally Posted By JAD762: Let’s run the numbers. (As per google, of course) Hunting results in roughly 2400 er visits per year resulting in roughly 60 deaths per year with roughly 15,000,000 hunters going afield annually. That’s 16 injuries per 100,000 participants and .4 deaths per 100,000 participants annually. Compare that to bowling that has about 30 injuries per 100,000 participants or football that has 1 death per 100,000 participants annually. Which means, compared to hunting, about twice as many people get hurt bowling and twice as many people die playing football every year. https://i.pinimg.com/originals/5f/49/db/5f49db6ff24a251907a93f4c9dff3907.gif Originally Posted By JAD762: Originally Posted By Monsterbishi: Originally Posted By DmacRTCo: Originally Posted By Monsterbishi: Happens entirely too often :-( No it doesn’t. Hunting accidents are statistical anomalies. Not sure if serious or just misinformed? Let’s run the numbers. (As per google, of course) Hunting results in roughly 2400 er visits per year resulting in roughly 60 deaths per year with roughly 15,000,000 hunters going afield annually. That’s 16 injuries per 100,000 participants and .4 deaths per 100,000 participants annually. Compare that to bowling that has about 30 injuries per 100,000 participants or football that has 1 death per 100,000 participants annually. Which means, compared to hunting, about twice as many people get hurt bowling and twice as many people die playing football every year. https://i.pinimg.com/originals/5f/49/db/5f49db6ff24a251907a93f4c9dff3907.gif My brother almost died from a bowling accident. Would you like to see the pictures? 
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Originally Posted By Vne: Happens literally all the time. I can't tell you how many times I've mistaken people for deer. I'll have the perfect site picture on them, finger on the trigger, vibrating with excitement, and all of a sudden the deer takes a drag off a cigarette. Wtf? Deer don't do tha... Dammit, it's another human! How the fuck do you not see that it's a human before getting ready to shoot? |
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Happened where I used to hunt around 5 years ago. A lady was taking pictures on private property she assumed was part of the national forest, wearing a brown sweater with fur around the cuffs and collar, no orange. Hunter wasn't going to be charged until the drug test came back with meth. He went to prison. |
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Originally Posted By Windustsearch: People walk through and work in the woods in all seasons. They are not closed off for hunting. I have no idea why people think they are or where they got that idea. Originally Posted By Windustsearch: Originally Posted By Rat_Patrol: RIP, condolences to the family. Yeah, be sure of target is a rule. Why are families walking through the woods during hunting season? Why was he hunting land that had families in it? Hiking and biking trails are not closed during deer hunting 2026 SEASON DATES Note: The 2026 Extended Archery Season continues until Jan. 31, 2027, in Metro subunits and select Farmland Counties. Archery and Crossbow*Sept. 12 - Jan. 3, 2027 Youth Deer HuntOct. 10-11 Gun Deer Hunt for Hunters with Disabilities**Oct. 3-11 GunNov. 21 - 29 MuzzleloaderNov. 30 - Dec. 9 Statewide Antlerless-onlyDec. 10-13 Antlerless-only Holiday Hunt***Dec. 24 - Jan. 1, 2027 * Season continues until Jan. 31, 2027, in Metro subunits and select Farmland Counties. |
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Originally Posted By Makarov: “Deer Fever” is a thing, particularly early in the season. You see some sort of movement and combined with anticipation, the mind fills in the missing pieces of what you want to see. That is why “Identify your target and what is beyond” is one of the FOUR ABSOLUTES of gun handling. Sadly, there are also just a lot of dumbass hunters. I’ll never forget a comment made by an old hunter in my youth; “I heard something rustling in the brush, so I took a shot.” I was like;  A coworker was bragging to me about the last deer he shot. "I shot at him 8 times, and hit him with 4!" I looked at him and smiled, and said "My daughter has shot 5 deer so far and she hasn't fired 8 times yet." |
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Originally Posted By Clemson_John: How do the hunting regulations define "shooting light"? Serious question, I don't know anything about Delaware law. I was just going by what I saw online (30 minutes). Originally Posted By Clemson_John: Originally Posted By Chizult: Originally Posted By Clemson_John: You're also a lot further South than Delaware. Sunset was at 7:04 there last Friday, so he's likely going to face charges for hunting outside of legal hours too (more than 30 minutes after sunset). Shooting light ended at 7:35 on Friday. I know because I was in the stand in Delaware, and yes, with a shotgun He's 60 miles south of me, so 7:40ish is plausibly legal light. IA is half hour before sunrise to half hour after sunset. You have to check sunset time for the area you're hunting and half an hour to that. My rule is hunt until sunset. That allows for one last shot if I shot a deer late in the day and it's not dead yet. |
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Originally Posted By Scott-S6: There's a difference though. How many people are killed by utter gross negligence in football and hunting? A hunter dies falling out of a tree stand, that's a risk of the activity. Football player dies taking a hard block, risk of the activity. Would we tolerate any number of people getting killed participating in 3 gun because the shooter mistook them for a target and shot at them? Originally Posted By Scott-S6: Originally Posted By JAD762: Originally Posted By Monsterbishi: Originally Posted By DmacRTCo: Originally Posted By Monsterbishi: Happens entirely too often :-( No it doesn’t. Hunting accidents are statistical anomalies. Not sure if serious or just misinformed? Let’s run the numbers. (As per google, of course) Hunting results in roughly 2400 er visits per year resulting in roughly 60 deaths per year with roughly 15,000,000 hunters going afield annually. That’s 16 injuries per 100,000 participants and .4 deaths per 100,000 participants annually. Compare that to bowling that has about 30 injuries per 100,000 participants or football that has 1 death per 100,000 participants annually. Which means, compared to hunting, about twice as many people get hurt bowling and twice as many people die playing football every year. https://i.pinimg.com/originals/5f/49/db/5f49db6ff24a251907a93f4c9dff3907.gif There's a difference though. How many people are killed by utter gross negligence in football and hunting? A hunter dies falling out of a tree stand, that's a risk of the activity. Football player dies taking a hard block, risk of the activity. Would we tolerate any number of people getting killed participating in 3 gun because the shooter mistook them for a target and shot at them? No one’s asking you to tolerate anything. OP asked if these kinds of accidents are common. The numbers say they are not. In fact, they are rare enough to be considered statistical anomalies. |
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Originally Posted By Cincinnatus: My brother almost died from a bowling accident. Would you like to see the pictures? Originally Posted By Cincinnatus: Originally Posted By JAD762: Originally Posted By Monsterbishi: Originally Posted By DmacRTCo: Originally Posted By Monsterbishi: Happens entirely too often :-( No it doesn’t. Hunting accidents are statistical anomalies. Not sure if serious or just misinformed? Let’s run the numbers. (As per google, of course) Hunting results in roughly 2400 er visits per year resulting in roughly 60 deaths per year with roughly 15,000,000 hunters going afield annually. That’s 16 injuries per 100,000 participants and .4 deaths per 100,000 participants annually. Compare that to bowling that has about 30 injuries per 100,000 participants or football that has 1 death per 100,000 participants annually. Which means, compared to hunting, about twice as many people get hurt bowling and twice as many people die playing football every year. https://i.pinimg.com/originals/5f/49/db/5f49db6ff24a251907a93f4c9dff3907.gif My brother almost died from a bowling accident. Would you like to see the pictures? I don’t usually go for those kinds of things, but I’ve got to admit, you’ve piqued my curiosity. |
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Originally Posted By Bigdawg90: The worst part about this thread is how many people go “walking through the woods during deer season?” or “why weren’t they wearing hunter orange?” It’s nowhere near deer season through out the nation. That’s why he was arrested. I walk through the woods all the time in khaki and OD green. You should be able to do that without thinking some old douchebag is going to mistake you for a deer. Archery season opened here last weekend, 09/12. In some zones hunts on private land with firearms have already opened in SC I believe. |
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Originally Posted By GaryM: It is a tragedy but what was the situation where a family was walking through an area where there are hunters? I do know a few areas where that could happen but just a small amount of sense keeps this sort of thing from happening. Assuming it was truly a mistake what would be a legit punishment? It's not a mistake, it's gross negligence. People look absolutely nothing like deer and this stupid inbred son of bitch shot at something he couldn't positively identify. |
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Originally Posted By 41Fan: I have been shot at while hunting Same for me. I was in a tree stand on a new WMA and some dick shot into the tree about 5' above me. I assume it was a disgruntled former club member that had leased that land for years, they caused a lot of trouble the first year or so after the state acquired the land. |
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Originally Posted By Ligore: I am for long jail times for those. If someone is not going to care about other people's lives enough to identify a target maybe the possibility of a long time in jail will get them to actually bother to see what they are shooting at. It won't, but they should still do the time anyway. |
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Originally Posted By Vne: Happens literally all the time. I can't tell you how many times I've mistaken people for deer. I'll have the perfect site picture on them, finger on the trigger, vibrating with excitement, and all of a sudden the deer takes a drag off a cigarette. Wtf? Deer don't do tha... Dammit, it's another human! "all the time". Looks more like the hunting seasons are about equal to one or two chicago weekends. https://ammo.com/research/hunting-accident-statistics 464 Accidents per year, 2010–2024 On average, 464 hunting accidents and 61.3 hunting fatalities were reported annually between 2010 and 2024. |
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Originally Posted By 15jonshoot: "all the time". Looks more like the hunting seasons are about equal to one or two chicago weekends. https://ammo.com/research/hunting-accident-statistics 464 Accidents per year, 2010–2024 On average, 464 hunting accidents and 61.3 hunting fatalities were reported annually between 2010 and 2024. Originally Posted By 15jonshoot: Originally Posted By Vne: Happens literally all the time. I can't tell you how many times I've mistaken people for deer. I'll have the perfect site picture on them, finger on the trigger, vibrating with excitement, and all of a sudden the deer takes a drag off a cigarette. Wtf? Deer don't do tha... Dammit, it's another human! "all the time". Looks more like the hunting seasons are about equal to one or two chicago weekends. https://ammo.com/research/hunting-accident-statistics 464 Accidents per year, 2010–2024 On average, 464 hunting accidents and 61.3 hunting fatalities were reported annually between 2010 and 2024. I bet most of those were people falling out of tree stands or stepping in an old stump hole. |
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Originally Posted By JAD762: I don’t usually go for those kinds of things, but I’ve got to admit, you’ve piqued my curiosity. Originally Posted By JAD762: Originally Posted By Cincinnatus: Originally Posted By JAD762: Originally Posted By Monsterbishi: Originally Posted By DmacRTCo: Originally Posted By Monsterbishi: Happens entirely too often :-( No it doesn’t. Hunting accidents are statistical anomalies. Not sure if serious or just misinformed? Let’s run the numbers. (As per google, of course) Hunting results in roughly 2400 er visits per year resulting in roughly 60 deaths per year with roughly 15,000,000 hunters going afield annually. That’s 16 injuries per 100,000 participants and .4 deaths per 100,000 participants annually. Compare that to bowling that has about 30 injuries per 100,000 participants or football that has 1 death per 100,000 participants annually. Which means, compared to hunting, about twice as many people get hurt bowling and twice as many people die playing football every year. https://i.pinimg.com/originals/5f/49/db/5f49db6ff24a251907a93f4c9dff3907.gif My brother almost died from a bowling accident. Would you like to see the pictures? I don’t usually go for those kinds of things, but I’ve got to admit, you’ve piqued my curiosity. He got his arm stuck in the pin resetter. Worse than any hunting accident… 
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"…unrivaled fervor for killing..."
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Originally Posted By Clemson_John: How do the hunting regulations define "shooting light"? Serious question, I don't know anything about Delaware law. I was just going by what I saw online (30 minutes). |
More proof that California hates gun owners is that there's no requirement to wear orange while hunting 
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Watching the kids shoot Pieeater's 1919 was great. Nothing warms the heart more than seeing a little kid kneeling in a pile of brass and links.-Pthfndr after the Nov 13th NorCal shoot
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Originally Posted By GaryM: It is a tragedy but what was the situation where a family was walking through an area where there are hunters? I do know a few areas where that could happen but just a small amount of sense keeps this sort of thing from happening. Assuming it was truly a mistake what would be a legit punishment? It was an open field, for starters. It was a family, not a lone person. Multiple people. Sunset was 40 minutes BEFORE the old guy shot the woman. Old guy, poor eyesight, hunting after legal hours, shot at a target that wasn’t actually a deer. You’re right- a small amount of sense would have stopped this from happening, but that fucking moron from Maryland had NONE. |
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Originally Posted By Chizult: Many people are overblowing that. If it is common, it's with the much older crowd. Also being over blown are the number of these incidents. There's a reason this is a multiple page thread and an article that made national news. A hunter accidentally killing a stranger in the woods is extremely uncommon (and that may not even be what happened here). Most hunting fatalities are self inflicted wounds or those in your hunting party from mishandling firearms, not hunters misidentifying prey. Originally Posted By Chizult: Originally Posted By Orion10182011: I was shocked to learn just how many hunters will shoot at noise hoping it's a deer. Many people are overblowing that. If it is common, it's with the much older crowd. Also being over blown are the number of these incidents. There's a reason this is a multiple page thread and an article that made national news. A hunter accidentally killing a stranger in the woods is extremely uncommon (and that may not even be what happened here). Most hunting fatalities are self inflicted wounds or those in your hunting party from mishandling firearms, not hunters misidentifying prey. McCardle confirms Burks is a veteran but said the shooting was not triggered by PTSD. He says Burks heard something in the bushes, saw signs that it was a turkey and “unfortunately an accident occurred.” “This is a tragic accident and there was no criminal act involved,” the Mobile-based attorney said. “We feel extreme sorrow and sadness for the Ellis family.” https://www.wbrc.com/2020/05/01/year-old-dies-after-accidental-shooting-jefferson-co/ Shooter 35, kid was 11. |
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Originally Posted By Cincinnatus: @JAD762 He got his arm stuck in the pin resetter. Worse than any hunting accident… https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/285/IMG_3360-3830675.jpg Originally Posted By Cincinnatus: Originally Posted By JAD762: Originally Posted By Cincinnatus: Originally Posted By JAD762: Originally Posted By Monsterbishi: Originally Posted By DmacRTCo: Originally Posted By Monsterbishi: Happens entirely too often :-( No it doesn’t. Hunting accidents are statistical anomalies. Not sure if serious or just misinformed? Let’s run the numbers. (As per google, of course) Hunting results in roughly 2400 er visits per year resulting in roughly 60 deaths per year with roughly 15,000,000 hunters going afield annually. That’s 16 injuries per 100,000 participants and .4 deaths per 100,000 participants annually. Compare that to bowling that has about 30 injuries per 100,000 participants or football that has 1 death per 100,000 participants annually. Which means, compared to hunting, about twice as many people get hurt bowling and twice as many people die playing football every year. https://i.pinimg.com/originals/5f/49/db/5f49db6ff24a251907a93f4c9dff3907.gif My brother almost died from a bowling accident. Would you like to see the pictures? I don’t usually go for those kinds of things, but I’ve got to admit, you’ve piqued my curiosity. He got his arm stuck in the pin resetter. Worse than any hunting accident… https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/285/IMG_3360-3830675.jpg Holy hell. That’s definitely more serious than I usually think when I hear bowling accident. Is he ok now? Any lingering side effects? |
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Originally Posted By Trailboss: I was working a deer check station at an old country store in the mountains of VA while in college, and a nimrod showed up mid-morning on opening day and was wanting to buy a box of 'thuty-thuty'. The men sitting around the coal stove asked him if he got any deer and he said all he had were 'sound shots'. He'd hear some rustling behind the rhododendron bushes and blast away but never found anything when he went to check. He ran out of ammo. Another nimrod said he had a couple of them also. I never deer hunted opening day of rifle season on public lands since then. I also stay way away from thickets of rhododendron, palmetto, etc. unless we're loudly chasing rabbits or hogs with dogs. Calling them nimrod is blasphemy. |