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Posted: 12/8/2021 9:28:43 AM EDT
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Once they make a round that size that will reliably incapacitate human threats (meeting the FBI protocol would be a great start) out of a 4.5" barrel I'm all over it.
I think the little 5.7x28 case, blown out straight (.312 or so), with the RIGHT bullet and the RIGHT propellant might make it happen. I also have a crazy idea for the .25x25. Ditch the vestigial .25ACP rim and stretch the case out to 25mm long. Stuff in a shit tonne of powder, add 25-30gr monolithic HP bullet driven to warp speed. |
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Posted: 12/8/2021 9:32:04 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Got to admit, I kind of want one of these. https://media.keltecweapons.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/11/cp33-1-1.png It's the only semi .22lr handgun I have that will reliably run Aguila subsonics. I love the stupid thing. |
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Posted: 12/8/2021 9:41:28 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Triple stack? No. That will not feed reliably. Get a 5-7. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: We are discussing full size handguns only Okay, so 380 is stupid because it's basically 9mm capacity wise 45 is fine but I mean 13 isn't 20. Could we just make some kind of crazy 22Mag or 17HMR full sized pistol with like I don't know a triple stack magazine so basically you're like yeah it's small and rimfire but there's like 35 rounds here in a flush magazine. Basically we are taking the idea of the American 180 as a viable MG and going to miniaturize that same idea. Inb4 FN Five Seven. No. Just no. Not 20 rounds. I can already buy that with a 2011. We're taking probably magazine development where the mag is as thick as a 45 mag and so is the gun frame but it just has an obscene amount of rimfire ammunition. Inb4 rimfire isn't reliable. I don't care. ONLY GOAL IS MAXIMUM ROUNDS IN A FULL SIZE GUN Triple stack? No. That will not feed reliably. Get a 5-7.  |
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Posted: 12/8/2021 9:41:56 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: It's the only semi .22lr handgun I have that will reliably run Aguila subsonics. I love the stupid thing. The only thing that sucks is reloading the mags. |
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Posted: 12/8/2021 9:43:34 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The only thing that sucks is reloading the mags. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: It's the only semi .22lr handgun I have that will reliably run Aguila subsonics. I love the stupid thing. The only thing that sucks is reloading the mags. I strongly suggest the mag loader. $30 or so and it removes that annoyance. |
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Posted: 12/8/2021 9:48:20 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I strongly suggest the mag loader. $30 or so and it removes that annoyance.  Attached File |
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Posted: 12/8/2021 9:48:33 AM EDT
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I carry the Ruger 57 with two spare mags. 61 rounds of 5.7 should hold them off for a while. OWB carries just fine.
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Posted: 12/8/2021 9:48:58 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Once they make a round that size that will reliably incapacitate human threats (meeting the FBI protocol would be a great start) out of a 4.5" barrel I'm all over it. I think the little 5.7x28 case, blown out straight (.312 or so), with the RIGHT bullet and the RIGHT propellant might make it happen. I also have a crazy idea for the .25x25. Ditch the vestigial .25ACP rim and stretch the case out to 25mm long. Stuff in a shit tonne of powder, add 25-30gr monolithic HP bullet driven to warp speed. So basically 300 Blackout? |
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Posted: 12/8/2021 9:50:50 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: So basically 300 Blackout? Quite a bit smaller than .300BLK. More like a modernized .30 Carbine, with a shorter, stronger case and fancier, lighter bullet. |
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Posted: 12/8/2021 9:59:49 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Got to admit, I kind of want one of these. https://media.keltecweapons.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/11/cp33-1-1.png @whiskersthecat Have you seen the cheek pistol concept/employment?  Cheek Pistols: Benefits Explained |
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Posted: 12/8/2021 10:22:43 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: 22 TCM is a necked down 9x19. https://files.osgnetworks.tv/9/files/2018/03/9mm-l.-and-.22-TCM.jpg 9x19 on the left, 22 TCM on the right. |
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Posted: 12/8/2021 10:23:50 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: 22 TCM is a necked down 9x19. https://files.osgnetworks.tv/9/files/2018/03/9mm-l.-and-.22-TCM.jpg 9x19 on the left, 22 TCM on the right. 22 TCM is based on the .223 case, not 9mm |
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Posted: 12/8/2021 10:24:16 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Kel-Tec beat you to it. The CP33 is one of the most fun guns to shoot. More so when suppressed. |
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Posted: 12/8/2021 10:34:35 AM EDT
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Bring back the Tec-9, but a version that isn't a jammy POS, and chambered in 22 TCM, with 40-round mags
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Posted: 12/8/2021 11:04:03 AM EDT
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I have both the PMR30 and KSG. They are both ridiculously fun to shoot. The PMR30 will wear out your trigger finger before it's out of ammo. I have no feeding issues, since following the explicit instuctions in the manual: load 5 rounds, tap magazine against rear to fully seat, repeat. As for stopping power, check out the reports on TMJ bullets Top .22 WMR Rounds. These things work on game, and I'm sure they'll work for defense (120 rds and I only have to change mags 3 times).
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Posted: 12/8/2021 11:08:47 AM EDT
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I just hope you’re only looking for range fun.
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Posted: 12/8/2021 11:17:16 AM EDT
[#17]
I'm impressed with the .22 magnum cartridge.
Lots of good things from a small round. |
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Posted: 12/8/2021 11:22:33 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Got to admit, I kind of want one of these. https://media.keltecweapons.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/11/cp33-1-1.png I've been looking at those as well. 
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Posted: 12/8/2021 11:28:36 AM EDT
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Yall don't even understand... MAXIMUM ROUNDS!
How about the super amazing always reliable CALICO! You can get 50 or 100 round drum of 9mm in pistol format. https://calicofirearms.com/product/9mm-liberty-iii-pistol/ Want to stick with a 22LR? Fine.. here is a 100 rounds of 22 LR in pistol format. https://calicofirearms.com/product/22lr-m-110-pistol/ |
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Posted: 12/8/2021 11:31:01 AM EDT
[#20]
Quote HistoryQuoted: We need a 5.56 revolver. How about a .223 pistol instead?  |
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Posted: 12/8/2021 11:37:05 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: We have a bunch of baby Brownings in the family. It's been awhile since I've dived into small caliber stuff in handguns but I'm pretty sure 25ACP is like the worst thing ballistically available for purchase. I wonder what a 25 acp necked down to 22 or 17 would do for velocity? |
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Posted: 12/8/2021 11:44:56 AM EDT
[#22]
I often wondered if a .33-.34 caliber, high pressure round that is the same OAL of a 380acp would make a good pocket gun round. Reduce the caliber of the 380acp to provide more steel around the chamber and greatly increase the pressure, this may allow the use of existing pocket guns designs. I don't know if you could get enough of a boost in performance to matter though.
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Posted: 12/8/2021 11:49:11 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryAvailable in 7.62x39 as well for those who hate their wrists. |
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Posted: 12/8/2021 11:52:11 AM EDT
[#24]
Quote HistoryQuoted: @whiskersthecat Have you seen the cheek pistol concept/employment?  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=87kKBaLI1f8My brain hurts now, thanks |
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Posted: 12/8/2021 12:39:05 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: @whiskersthecat Have you seen the cheek pistol concept/employment? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=87kKBaLI1f8Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Got to admit, I kind of want one of these. https://media.keltecweapons.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/11/cp33-1-1.png @whiskersthecat Have you seen the cheek pistol concept/employment? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=87kKBaLI1f8
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Posted: 12/8/2021 12:46:27 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: We need a 5.56 revolver. Taurus brought a prototype to SHOT one year. 
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Posted: 12/8/2021 12:50:57 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Taurus brought a prototype to SHOT one year. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: We need a 5.56 revolver. Taurus brought a prototype to SHOT one year. Because the muzzle blast from .22WMR isn't awful enough? I mean it makes a max load of clays in .357 through a two inch barrel seem really nice. |
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Posted: 12/8/2021 1:53:14 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Once they make a round that size that will reliably incapacitate human threats (meeting the FBI protocol would be a great start) out of a 4.5" barrel I'm all over it. I think the little 5.7x28 case, blown out straight (.312 or so), with the RIGHT bullet and the RIGHT propellant might make it happen. I also have a crazy idea for the .25x25. Ditch the vestigial .25ACP rim and stretch the case out to 25mm long. Stuff in a shit tonne of powder, add 25-30gr monolithic HP bullet driven to warp speed. I've been thinking about a hotrodded 7.65 Longue, but your idea about using the 5.7x28 case is probably better. Should be able to get pretty decent performance. |
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Posted: 12/8/2021 2:47:35 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I've been thinking about a hotrodded 7.65 Longue, but your idea about using the 5.7x28 case is probably better. Should be able to get pretty decent performance. An Italian named Penna did some experimentation along these lines way back around 2004 or so. |
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Posted: 12/8/2021 3:09:04 PM EDT
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Quoted: We are discussing full size handguns only Okay, so 380 is stupid because it's basically 9mm capacity wise 45 is fine but I mean 13 isn't 20. Could we just make some kind of crazy 22Mag or 17HMR full sized pistol with like I don't know a triple stack magazine so basically you're like yeah it's small and rimfire but there's like 35 rounds here in a flush magazine. Basically we are taking the idea of the American 180 as a viable MG and going to miniaturize that same idea. Inb4 FN Five Seven. No. Just no. Not 20 rounds. I can already buy that with a 2011. We're taking probably magazine development where the mag is as thick as a 45 mag and so is the gun frame but it just has an obscene amount of rimfire ammunition. Inb4 rimfire isn't reliable. I don't care. ONLY GOAL IS MAXIMUM ROUNDS IN A FULL SIZE GUN I'm fine with 15+1, thank you very much. 
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Posted: 12/8/2021 3:14:27 PM EDT
[#31]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I'm fine with 15+1, thank you very much. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/527962/IMG_20211208_140905-2196617.jpg Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: We are discussing full size handguns only Okay, so 380 is stupid because it's basically 9mm capacity wise 45 is fine but I mean 13 isn't 20. Could we just make some kind of crazy 22Mag or 17HMR full sized pistol with like I don't know a triple stack magazine so basically you're like yeah it's small and rimfire but there's like 35 rounds here in a flush magazine. Basically we are taking the idea of the American 180 as a viable MG and going to miniaturize that same idea. Inb4 FN Five Seven. No. Just no. Not 20 rounds. I can already buy that with a 2011. We're taking probably magazine development where the mag is as thick as a 45 mag and so is the gun frame but it just has an obscene amount of rimfire ammunition. Inb4 rimfire isn't reliable. I don't care. ONLY GOAL IS MAXIMUM ROUNDS IN A FULL SIZE GUN I'm fine with 15+1, thank you very much. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/527962/IMG_20211208_140905-2196617.jpg That is why no one will remember your name.   |
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Posted: 12/8/2021 3:35:08 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Technically this is a pistol with a 100 round drum of 22 caliber ammo. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/231252/bd4bae1d-aa8c-424c-9c73-d6582f8e32dc-day-2196041.JPG Check mate OP. Isn't that one of those formerly legal but soon to be illegal weapons of war sleepy Joe tried to make illegal? |
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Posted: 12/8/2021 3:42:11 PM EDT
[#33]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Got to admit, I kind of want one of these. https://media.keltecweapons.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/11/cp33-1-1.png Just chambered in .17 WSM |
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Posted: 12/8/2021 3:56:48 PM EDT
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Or maybe just make it .17 caliber, and round balls instead of pointy bullets so that you can fit more. This would also eliminate feeding issues since the projectile doesn't jave a "front" and if it was air powered you wouldn't need a cartridge case, and you could just pour them in a hole around the barrel and it would hold like 550.
If only there was such a thing. |
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Posted: 12/8/2021 5:08:02 PM EDT
[#35]
Quote HistoryQuote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: We are discussing full size handguns only Okay, so 380 is stupid because it's basically 9mm capacity wise 45 is fine but I mean 13 isn't 20. Could we just make some kind of crazy 22Mag or 17HMR full sized pistol with like I don't know a triple stack magazine so basically you're like yeah it's small and rimfire but there's like 35 rounds here in a flush magazine. Basically we are taking the idea of the American 180 as a viable MG and going to miniaturize that same idea. Inb4 FN Five Seven. No. Just no. Not 20 rounds. I can already buy that with a 2011. We're taking probably magazine development where the mag is as thick as a 45 mag and so is the gun frame but it just has an obscene amount of rimfire ammunition. Inb4 rimfire isn't reliable. I don't care. ONLY GOAL IS MAXIMUM ROUNDS IN A FULL SIZE GUN Triple stack? No. That will not feed reliably. Get a 5-7. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/425212/622724465511497749-2184435.png  Attached FileI wasn't really joking in my first post, the 30rd Five Seven extensions are much shorter than 33rd Glock mags, and in my experience reliable. |
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Posted: 12/8/2021 5:11:21 PM EDT
[#36]
Quote HistoryQuoted: BIG MEN SHOOT BIG CALIBERS 
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Posted: 12/8/2021 5:14:21 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Five Seven... ...with 30rd mags 
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Posted: 12/8/2021 5:25:58 PM EDT
[#38]
Quote HistoryQuoted: That is why no one will remember your name. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/425212/20211207_204757-2195950.jpg https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/425212/Screenshot_20211129-202901_Gallery-2186159.jpg Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: We are discussing full size handguns only Okay, so 380 is stupid because it's basically 9mm capacity wise 45 is fine but I mean 13 isn't 20. Could we just make some kind of crazy 22Mag or 17HMR full sized pistol with like I don't know a triple stack magazine so basically you're like yeah it's small and rimfire but there's like 35 rounds here in a flush magazine. Basically we are taking the idea of the American 180 as a viable MG and going to miniaturize that same idea. Inb4 FN Five Seven. No. Just no. Not 20 rounds. I can already buy that with a 2011. We're taking probably magazine development where the mag is as thick as a 45 mag and so is the gun frame but it just has an obscene amount of rimfire ammunition. Inb4 rimfire isn't reliable. I don't care. ONLY GOAL IS MAXIMUM ROUNDS IN A FULL SIZE GUN I'm fine with 15+1, thank you very much. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/527962/IMG_20211208_140905-2196617.jpg That is why no one will remember your name. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/425212/20211207_204757-2195950.jpg https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/425212/Screenshot_20211129-202901_Gallery-2186159.jpg GIGASTENDO 
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Posted: 12/8/2021 5:38:43 PM EDT
[#39]
Quote HistoryQuoted: 22 TCM is a necked down 9x19. https://files.osgnetworks.tv/9/files/2018/03/9mm-l.-and-.22-TCM.jpg 9x19 on the left, 22 TCM on the right. Came here to post this. I hope more companies get in the business of making conversions for B&T, CZ Scorpion, Sig MPX etc. I love that round. |
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