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Originally Posted By Scottsboro71: Agreed they should have been more honest. The shots were not effective on the level of a measles or polio vax, which basically insure that you don't get it. More along the lines of a flu shot, I.e. you might still get it, but your symptoms will likely be worse.. My nephew was travel nursing throughout the pandemic and was there when a lot of people died, his estimate was the dead were 95% unvaxxed. Originally Posted By Scottsboro71: Originally Posted By Scott-S6: Yeah, the argument was whether they should say that it does not prevention infection and transmission or say that it somewhat prevents it and only for a very short time which they should be extremely vague about because being more honest would make them look like liars. It's not a good look. Agreed they should have been more honest. The shots were not effective on the level of a measles or polio vax, which basically insure that you don't get it. More along the lines of a flu shot, I.e. you might still get it, but your symptoms will likely be worse.. My nephew was travel nursing throughout the pandemic and was there when a lot of people died, his estimate was the dead were 95% unvaxxed. If the ratio was that clear and supported the narrative then there should be plenty of documentation of it? The problem with being more honest about the vaccine efficiency is that they had been grossly dishonest about it. We know how coronaviruses and their vaccines behave, we knew that it would be nothing like the polio vaccine, we knew that it would provide months of immunity at the very best, likely much less. Yet you have people like fauci saying publicly that you will not catch it if you get vaccinated. They lied before we knew how ineffective it was and they lied after we did know. |
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Originally Posted By Glck1911: Doesn't really matter. Fauci himself said multiple times that if you got the shot, you would not get COVID. So he and the other vax pushers lied. They lied to help push for mandates. Plus, The language in that diary entry is pretty ambiguous. "Modest but declining" could mean just about anything. There is a case to be made for making the more deadly strains less transmittable even for a short time, forcing and accelerating the natural evolution that every virus tends to follow of becoming more contagious but less pathogenic (meaning less dangerous). Once we got past the first couple variants the lethality had dropped and the transmit ability and increased to the point that vaccines were pointless for 95% of the population. |
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Originally Posted By Nickel_Plated: "Forced" is a strong word. "Coerced" perhaps. Originally Posted By Nickel_Plated: Originally Posted By TXBO: I feel for those that were forced to take it or loose their jobs. Especially our military. "Forced" is a strong word. "Coerced" perhaps. "coerced" if you mean lose your benefits, rank, retirement, and shunned if you didn't go along with the BS. |
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Originally Posted By sirbordsalot311: I enjoy some of your posts but, really? You go digging up old social media posts just to remind others how correct you were about something years ago? You've always appeared to be fairly accomplished and happy in life. This seems beneath you    |
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Originally Posted By xd341: Modest but declining means it works a little in some cases now but won't work at all in the near future. That was never told to the American public. Thats exactly what happened. There is a case to be made for making the more deadly strains less transmittable even for a short time, forcing and accelerating the natural evolution that every virus tends to follow of becoming more contagious but less pathogenic (meaning less dangerous). Once we got past the first couple variants the lethality had dropped and the transmit ability and increased to the point that vaccines were pointless for 95% of the population. Originally Posted By xd341: Originally Posted By Glck1911: Doesn't really matter. Fauci himself said multiple times that if you got the shot, you would not get COVID. So he and the other vax pushers lied. They lied to help push for mandates. Plus, The language in that diary entry is pretty ambiguous. "Modest but declining" could mean just about anything. There is a case to be made for making the more deadly strains less transmittable even for a short time, forcing and accelerating the natural evolution that every virus tends to follow of becoming more contagious but less pathogenic (meaning less dangerous). Once we got past the first couple variants the lethality had dropped and the transmit ability and increased to the point that vaccines were pointless for 95% of the population. The lethality was far less than claimed and we knew that. Read the fauci diary thread. |
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Originally Posted By killingmachine123: That's a shallow way to look at it. I was forced to carry "papers" and I was subject to police inspection of said papers while going about my business in a public place. I'm not going to let anyone forget that. Amen to that. -- I never got the shot. By nature, I avoid being an early adopter of almost anything, especially medical. I did discuss it with my long-time doctor (a sole proprietor independent doctor) and he said that based on my physical condition, if I did happen to catch covid, it probably would not be that bad for me, so there was no real need for me to get the shot. At the time I was working for a medical device company that made medical testing equipment and materials. Due to having government contracts, everyone was required to get the shot. They offered religious and medical exemptions, but they made it difficult. My doctor had absolutely no issue signing off on a medical exemption for me after we had a brief conversation that led me to what I needed to say without flat out telling me, which was a very smart thing in case anyone needed to deny anything. I did end up catching it one time in late 2023, and I am 99% sure who I got it from. It was kind of like a flu but not the worst thing in the world. Was given a 5-day prescription for Paxlovid and that took care of it. Nothing since. I don't blame anyone for getting the shot. The propaganda was coming from all directions all the time 24x7, and the fear-mongering was pretty intense. Fear is a powerful motivator. |
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Originally Posted By RobertJohnson1234: You might want to read the JAMA report on the vaccine effectiveness published in June 2026. It did have a significant positive effect. Their words, not mine. Google it. JAMA wants everyone to die? More weird diseases to “fix”? The whole Medical Industrial Complex can eat a bag of dicks. |
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Originally Posted By sirbordsalot311: I enjoy some of your posts but, really? You go digging up old social media posts just to remind others how correct you were about something years ago? You’ve always appeared to be fairly accomplished and happy in life. This seems beneath you 
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Originally Posted By xd341: Modest but declining means it works a little in some cases now but won't work at all in the near future. That was never told to the American public. Thats exactly what happened. There is a case to be made for making the more deadly strains less transmittable even for a short time, forcing and accelerating the natural evolution that every virus tends to follow of becoming more contagious but less pathogenic (meaning less dangerous). Once we got past the first couple variants the lethality had dropped and the transmit ability and increased to the point that vaccines were pointless for 95% of the population. Originally Posted By xd341: Originally Posted By Glck1911:Doesn't really matter. Fauci himself said multiple times that if you got the shot, you would not get COVID. So he and the other vax pushers lied. They lied to help push for mandates. Plus, The language in that diary entry is pretty ambiguous. "Modest but declining" could mean just about anything. There is a case to be made for making the more deadly strains less transmittable even for a short time, forcing and accelerating the natural evolution that every virus tends to follow of becoming more contagious but less pathogenic (meaning less dangerous). Once we got past the first couple variants the lethality had dropped and the transmit ability and increased to the point that vaccines were pointless for 95% of the population. Alpha (UK) - gone Beta (SA) - gone Gamma (Brazil) - gone Delta (India) - gone, and apparently the most deadly Omnicron (no country name) - the parent of the dozens of weak sauce variants that persist today. |
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Originally Posted By st0newall:
those that claim the vax didnt work havent got the brains god gave an animal cracker. the purpose was to load the citizens with nano bots created by the chyneze and programmed by micro$oft and controlled by newly rolled out 5g cellular towers with updates coming from musks starlink satellites to turn folks into communists, transexuals and democratic droids and to insure that proximity to voting machines would cause them to switch all votes to democratic via special nano magnets in the nanobots. this all worked. and even if you didnt get the vax, you got infected by folks who did get the vax because the nanobots were self replicating. its all part of the plan |
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Originally Posted By Scott-S6: The lethality was far less than claimed and we knew that. Read the fauci diary thread. |
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Originally Posted By Scott-S6: If the ratio was that clear and supported the narrative then there should be plenty of documentation of it? The problem with being more honest about the vaccine efficiency is that they had been grossly dishonest about it. We know how coronaviruses and their vaccines behave, we knew that it would be nothing like the polio vaccine, we knew that it would provide months of immunity at the very best, likely much less. Yet you have people like fauci saying publicly that you will not catch it if you get vaccinated. They lied before we knew how ineffective it was and they lied after we did know. Originally Posted By Scott-S6: Originally Posted By Scottsboro71: Originally Posted By Scott-S6: Yeah, the argument was whether they should say that it does not prevention infection and transmission or say that it somewhat prevents it and only for a very short time which they should be extremely vague about because being more honest would make them look like liars. It's not a good look. Agreed they should have been more honest. The shots were not effective on the level of a measles or polio vax, which basically insure that you don't get it. More along the lines of a flu shot, I.e. you might still get it, but your symptoms will likely be worse.. My nephew was travel nursing throughout the pandemic and was there when a lot of people died, his estimate was the dead were 95% unvaxxed. If the ratio was that clear and supported the narrative then there should be plenty of documentation of it? The problem with being more honest about the vaccine efficiency is that they had been grossly dishonest about it. We know how coronaviruses and their vaccines behave, we knew that it would be nothing like the polio vaccine, we knew that it would provide months of immunity at the very best, likely much less. Yet you have people like fauci saying publicly that you will not catch it if you get vaccinated. They lied before we knew how ineffective it was and they lied after we did know. Correct me if I am wrong, but don't traveling nurses mostly visit people who are unable to go to a doctor or hospital because of physical weakness or serious illnesses of one sort or another? I am not minimizing the loss of life by saying this or putting anyone down, and I don't mean to sound callous, but aren't most of those folks quite fragile to the point that almost anything would kill them? |
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Originally Posted By Emoto:Correct me if I am wrong, but don't traveling nurses mostly visit people who are unable to go to a doctor or hospital because of physical weakness or serious illnesses of one sort or another? I am not minimizing the loss of life by saying this or putting anyone down, and I don't mean to sound callous, but aren't most of those folks quite fragile to the point that almost anything would kill them? Hospitals use them to avoid having to permanently hire staff. |
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Originally Posted By TaxPayer77: Whitmer outlawed boating, gardening supplies, painting supplies, shutdown small businesses, made it impossible to visit relatives in hospitals, had people arrested for working their own business, and then tried to get her dock put in faster up north to enjoy the lake. FUCK ANY GOVERNMENT OFFICIAL THAT DID THAT SHIT TO THEIR OWN CITIZENS. Jail for them isn't enough. |
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I refused to get the vax and did end up in the hospital with the Delta variant of Covid. Low oxygen level for 5 days and then went back home. It took me 2.5 months to recover from it. Still glad I didn't get the jab. A friend in his early 50s was forced to take the jab for work and within 6 months developed a very aggressive form of cancer in his left arm at the exact injection site. He passed away 7 months later after multiple miserable rounds of chemo.  FAF |
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Originally Posted By Emoto: Correct me if I am wrong, but don't traveling nurses mostly visit people who are unable to go to a doctor or hospital because of physical weakness or serious illnesses of one sort or another? I am not minimizing the loss of life by saying this or putting anyone down, and I don't mean to sound callous, but aren't most of those folks quite fragile to the point that almost anything would kill them? You're thinking of Home Health nurses. |
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At the onset of covid, I was a vax tard that still believed modern vaccines were a gift from god, and I may have taken the vaccine if in the first little while I had the opportunity. Then the J&J vax got pulled, and I started hearing about people dying from blood clots, and later heart failure. Probably at 3 months post release of the vaccines I made the determination that it wasn’t worth the risk and made all of my family aware too. Then after the second dose of vax was released my boss’s wife had myocarditis and he stopped pushing them on us. I am in a way glad that this all happened, because it woke me up to the medical industry, and their insane bullshit. |
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Originally Posted By HemiPowrd: I refused to get the vax and did end up in the hospital with the Delta variant of Covid. Low oxygen level for 5 days and then went back home. It took me 2.5 months to recover from it. Still glad I didn't get the jab. A friend in his early 50s was forced to take the jab for work and within 6 months developed a very aggressive form of cancer in his left arm at the exact injection site. He passed away 7 months later after multiple miserable rounds of chemo. FAF I know of a woman who died from pancreatic cancer after getting the shot . She was dead within the year . Was it the shot ? I dont know but she was a healthy mother of 3 before the vaccine. I know of multiple other people that have developed all kinds of fucked up shit and have been told by their doctors that the vaccine is to blame for their problems. Thats fucked up . |
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Originally Posted By Jayne_Cobb: Travel nurses are just nurses that float from hospital to hospital - freelancers on contracts Hospitals use them to avoid having to permanently hire staff. Originally Posted By Jayne_Cobb: Originally Posted By Emoto:Correct me if I am wrong, but don't traveling nurses mostly visit people who are unable to go to a doctor or hospital because of physical weakness or serious illnesses of one sort or another? I am not minimizing the loss of life by saying this or putting anyone down, and I don't mean to sound callous, but aren't most of those folks quite fragile to the point that almost anything would kill them? Hospitals use them to avoid having to permanently hire staff. Usually, it's to fill holes that local nurses refuse to fill. Usually because of shit pay or benefits or working conditions. Instead of paying FTEs better they end up having to pay travelers a fortune to fill the positions. I don't, and never will, "get it". I guess the bean counters know more than me lol. |
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there is a bigger issue here. the anti vaxxers and vaxxers are both partially right. the vaccine, especially the initial release was effective temporarily against the strain it was designed for. the virus mutated faster than the vax could be pushed. the followups were less effective. all of them came with a risk that varied with the individual. we got lucky that covid became less lethal than going the other direction with the mutations. by the end the best the vax could do was maybe make you a little less sick. The criminal part here is the marketing from the government. there were absolutly high risk populations that should have been vaccinated. i was 100% in that group and gambled for me the risk of the vax was less than the risk of covid which likely would have wrecked or killed me. I never got it even though i was dealing with actively sick patients daily. I doubt the shot for me mattered as i suspect there is somthing more about my genetics that kept me from getting it. The media was over run by foriegn influnce campaigns designed to disrupt the west by capitalising on disent caused by the pandemic. This made it virtually impossible for the lay person, gov buerocrats or comapny leaders to make a real informed decision. The CDC did a piss poor job of managing the problem from the start and quickly lost control which decimated what little credibility they had to begin with. that led to rabid morons on both sides of the isle turning covid into a cult. Which is exactly what the influence campaigns were designed to do. politicians which are generally idiots had zero clue how to handle things and panicked listening to people more interested in boosting their portfolios and fame than saving lives. I had several family members die. In particular my father in law who was high risk and a rabid anti vaxxer. there is a significant chance had he gotten the vax he might have survived even if he still suffered a serious illness with it. That said i carried a lot of vaccinated dead bodies out of houses as well. Real pandemic management is 100% out of sync with freedom and individual rights. Trump opened our playbook but didn't push it where he could have. Infectious diseases like this are virtually impossible to prevent or stop in an open society. When i was at USAMRIID we did a fair bit of wargaming stuff, we always lost without a draconian 100% shutdown at the community level, we simply do not have the national resources to pull that off. We also have a large population that would 100% ignore it and fight it to the complete detriment of their fellow citizens. Covid failures have 100% convinced people this is the way and if/when a real deadly pandemic happens it's going to ugly as no one will even consider the reccomendations. We need to focus less on fighting and arguing with those we disagree with and focus more on why it got to this level and how to prevent that from happening again. The CDC and government need to come clean, prosecute people and work to regain the public trust. I have zero expectations they can do it. Covid was a full blown social media marketing success for our enemies and shows just how easily people are manipulated to emotional responses when they get just enough validation on things they don't really understandi. we saw it here just like everywhere else. |
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Originally Posted By lazyengineer: Um.. did you actually read it? Because that's not what it said. The shots were oversold. But despite the religious level fervor and mantra here, they weren't completely ineffective at the time. Cherry picking text from his notes, when the rest of the quoted article doesn't even support it, undermines and weakens the ANTI-VAX case strength and credibility. In the same manner the pro-SHOT team lost credibility by cherry-picking broad claims of exaggerated effectiveness. yet, here, any degree of claim so long as supports the mantra, is greeted with complete lack of internal vetting and credibility / consistency expectations and standards on this topic. Basically, you're being played and supporting that, as bad as the other side was. It's a religion here. Amplifed by the credible disgust at the tyranny of the force vaccinations - I'll grant and share that much, at least. IIRC, the overall vax effectiveness was actually around 50%. During '24(?) it peaked at ~80% one month after the shot and dropped to ~50% six months later. In no way did it prevent COVID as was claimed. |
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Originally Posted By Bronsonburner: Usually, it's to fill holes that local nurses refuse to fill. Usually because of shit pay or benefits or working conditions. Instead of paying FTEs better they end up having to pay travelers a fortune to fill the positions. I don't, and never will, "get it". I guess the bean counters know more than me lol. I like the nurses that show up at a house that's having a bachelor party. |
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Originally Posted By bigfatOTMs: Without context, I don't even understand what point you're trying to make here. The Covid vaccine, like many other vaccines for mutagenic viruses (see: flu), will lose efficacy as the virus changes and adapts. This is what annual vaccination or boosters are specifically for. Fauci wanted to force people to get vaccines, and he didn't want other people talking about waning efficacy of the original vaccine because it would deter people from getting boosters. All of this has been known for years. This isn't new information.  What do you think this proves, and in what way does it make you right outside of the imaginary arguments you have in your own head?And yet here you are posting hysterical conspiracies on a gun forum and vaguely bragging about how you proved family members wrong on said conspiracy. So some hysteria is bad, but other hysteria is apparently OK? |
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Originally Posted By HemiPowrd: I refused to get the vax and did end up in the hospital with the Delta variant of Covid. Low oxygen level for 5 days and then went back home. It took me 2.5 months to recover from it. Still glad I didn't get the jab. A friend in his early 50s was forced to take the jab for work and within 6 months developed a very aggressive form of cancer in his left arm at the exact injection site. He passed away 7 months later after multiple miserable rounds of chemo. FAF A member of my extended family got the vaccine against her doctor's recommendation. A couple weeks later, she became very sick and was diagnosed with cancer. A week after that, they told her it was very aggressive and terminal/inoperative, and she had about a year to live. Less than a week after that, she was admitted to hospice, and two days after that she was dead from cancer. The whole thing happened within a month. |
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Originally Posted By The_Beer_Slayer: there is a bigger issue here. the anti vaxxers and vaxxers are both partially right. the vaccine, especially the initial release was effective temporarily against the strain it was designed for. the virus mutated faster than the vax could be pushed. the followups were less effective. all of them came with a risk that varied with the individual. we got lucky that covid became less lethal than going the other direction with the mutations. by the end the best the vax could do was maybe make you a little less sick. The criminal part here is the marketing from the government. there were absolutly high risk populations that should have been vaccinated. i was 100% in that group and gambled for me the risk of the vax was less than the risk of covid which likely would have wrecked or killed me. I never got it even though i was dealing with actively sick patients daily. I doubt the shot for me mattered as i suspect there is somthing more about my genetics that kept me from getting it. The media was over run by foriegn influnce campaigns designed to disrupt the west by capitalising on disent caused by the pandemic. This made it virtually impossible for the lay person, gov buerocrats or comapny leaders to make a real informed decision. The CDC did a piss poor job of managing the problem from the start and quickly lost control which decimated what little credibility they had to begin with. that led to rabid morons on both sides of the isle turning covid into a cult. Which is exactly what the influence campaigns were designed to do. politicians which are generally idiots had zero clue how to handle things and panicked listening to people more interested in boosting their portfolios and fame than saving lives. I had several family members die. In particular my father in law who was high risk and a rabid anti vaxxer. there is a significant chance had he gotten the vax he might have survived even if he still suffered a serious illness with it. That said i carried a lot of vaccinated dead bodies out of houses as well. Real pandemic management is 100% out of sync with freedom and individual rights. Trump opened our playbook but didn't push it where he could have. Infectious diseases like this are virtually impossible to prevent or stop in an open society. When i was at USAMRIID we did a fair bit of wargaming stuff, we always lost without a draconian 100% shutdown at the community level, we simply do not have the national resources to pull that off. We also have a large population that would 100% ignore it and fight it to the complete detriment of their fellow citizens. Covid failures have 100% convinced people this is the way and if/when a real deadly pandemic happens it's going to ugly as no one will even consider the reccomendations. We need to focus less on fighting and arguing with those we disagree with and focus more on why it got to this level and how to prevent that from happening again. The CDC and government need to come clean, prosecute people and work to regain the public trust. I have zero expectations they can do it. Covid was a full blown social media marketing success for our enemies and shows just how easily people are manipulated to emotional responses when they get just enough validation on things they don't really understandi. we saw it here just like everywhere else. |
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Originally Posted By Scott-S6: The lethality was far less than claimed and we knew that. Read the fauci diary thread. Originally Posted By Scott-S6: Originally Posted By xd341: Originally Posted By Glck1911: Doesn't really matter. Fauci himself said multiple times that if you got the shot, you would not get COVID. So he and the other vax pushers lied. They lied to help push for mandates. Plus, The language in that diary entry is pretty ambiguous. "Modest but declining" could mean just about anything. There is a case to be made for making the more deadly strains less transmittable even for a short time, forcing and accelerating the natural evolution that every virus tends to follow of becoming more contagious but less pathogenic (meaning less dangerous). Once we got past the first couple variants the lethality had dropped and the transmit ability and increased to the point that vaccines were pointless for 95% of the population. The lethality was far less than claimed and we knew that. Read the fauci diary thread. . 2-.3 typical flu ( per fauci ) By the middle of 2020 most people had already been exposed ( beginning oct-nov19 ) . If you got enough shots itd bump your IgG4 antibodies up thereby subduing the body's immune response ...OK for the short term I guess . The long term problem with that though is that you cumulatively build up more spike protein . No , your body doesnt just clear it out . |
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Originally Posted By xd341: We need to properly debrief what happened. So we can learn and not repeat the mistakes. That isn't happening. Originally Posted By xd341: Originally Posted By The_Beer_Slayer: there is a bigger issue here. the anti vaxxers and vaxxers are both partially right. the vaccine, especially the initial release was effective temporarily against the strain it was designed for. the virus mutated faster than the vax could be pushed. the followups were less effective. all of them came with a risk that varied with the individual. we got lucky that covid became less lethal than going the other direction with the mutations. by the end the best the vax could do was maybe make you a little less sick. The criminal part here is the marketing from the government. there were absolutly high risk populations that should have been vaccinated. i was 100% in that group and gambled for me the risk of the vax was less than the risk of covid which likely would have wrecked or killed me. I never got it even though i was dealing with actively sick patients daily. I doubt the shot for me mattered as i suspect there is somthing more about my genetics that kept me from getting it. The media was over run by foriegn influnce campaigns designed to disrupt the west by capitalising on disent caused by the pandemic. This made it virtually impossible for the lay person, gov buerocrats or comapny leaders to make a real informed decision. The CDC did a piss poor job of managing the problem from the start and quickly lost control which decimated what little credibility they had to begin with. that led to rabid morons on both sides of the isle turning covid into a cult. Which is exactly what the influence campaigns were designed to do. politicians which are generally idiots had zero clue how to handle things and panicked listening to people more interested in boosting their portfolios and fame than saving lives. I had several family members die. In particular my father in law who was high risk and a rabid anti vaxxer. there is a significant chance had he gotten the vax he might have survived even if he still suffered a serious illness with it. That said i carried a lot of vaccinated dead bodies out of houses as well. Real pandemic management is 100% out of sync with freedom and individual rights. Trump opened our playbook but didn't push it where he could have. Infectious diseases like this are virtually impossible to prevent or stop in an open society. When i was at USAMRIID we did a fair bit of wargaming stuff, we always lost without a draconian 100% shutdown at the community level, we simply do not have the national resources to pull that off. We also have a large population that would 100% ignore it and fight it to the complete detriment of their fellow citizens. Covid failures have 100% convinced people this is the way and if/when a real deadly pandemic happens it's going to ugly as no one will even consider the reccomendations. We need to focus less on fighting and arguing with those we disagree with and focus more on why it got to this level and how to prevent that from happening again. The CDC and government need to come clean, prosecute people and work to regain the public trust. I have zero expectations they can do it. Covid was a full blown social media marketing success for our enemies and shows just how easily people are manipulated to emotional responses when they get just enough validation on things they don't really understandi. we saw it here just like everywhere else. 100% nor will it. THAT is the bigger issue to me and will be the reason the next serious pandemic will decimate this country. 100% government failure at all levels. |
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Originally Posted By Jayne_Cobb: If I recall correctly, the lethality falloff happened around the time they stopped naming them after countries Alpha (UK) - gone Beta (SA) - gone Gamma (Brazil) - gone Delta (India) - gone, and apparently the most deadly Omnicron (no country name) - the parent of the dozens of weak sauce variants that persist today. Originally Posted By Jayne_Cobb: Originally Posted By xd341: Originally Posted By Glck1911:Doesn't really matter. Fauci himself said multiple times that if you got the shot, you would not get COVID. So he and the other vax pushers lied. They lied to help push for mandates. Plus, The language in that diary entry is pretty ambiguous. "Modest but declining" could mean just about anything. There is a case to be made for making the more deadly strains less transmittable even for a short time, forcing and accelerating the natural evolution that every virus tends to follow of becoming more contagious but less pathogenic (meaning less dangerous). Once we got past the first couple variants the lethality had dropped and the transmit ability and increased to the point that vaccines were pointless for 95% of the population. Alpha (UK) - gone Beta (SA) - gone Gamma (Brazil) - gone Delta (India) - gone, and apparently the most deadly Omnicron (no country name) - the parent of the dozens of weak sauce variants that persist today. Viral attenuation. Natural immunity ( that was actual science that went out the window for covid shenanigans) |
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Originally Posted By 9D1Alpha:. 2-.3 typical flu ( per fauci ) By the middle of 2020 most people had already been exposed ( beginning oct-nov19 ) . If you got enough shots itd bump your IgG4 antibodies up thereby subduing the body's immune response ...OK for the short term I guess . The long term problem with that though is that you cumulatively build up more spike protein . No , your body doesnt just clear it out . The only personal exposure I ever suspected didn't happen until mid 2022, and that was just a mild fever with joint pain. |
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Originally Posted By sirbordsalot311: I enjoy some of your posts but, really? You go digging up old social media posts just to remind others how correct you were about something years ago? You’ve always appeared to be fairly accomplished and happy in life. This seems beneath you Attacking the messenger to deflect from the message. Got it. |
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Originally Posted By killingmachine123: That's a shallow way to look at it. I was forced to carry "papers" and I was subject to police inspection of said papers while going about my business in a public place. I'm not going to let anyone forget that. I worked in higher education at that time and I was treated like absolute shit because of my open refusal to get vaccinated. I was threatened with job loss. And look at where I live. Commie state to the max. All kinds of draconian laws to follow. But I’m also not going to kid myself into thinking that saying “told you so” to any of the people that shat on me back then is going to change their minds. It’s an absolute waste of time. |
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Originally Posted By Cobalt135: I refused to get the vax. I remember shortly before the ruling of the Supreme Court in Feb 2022 on the OSHA mandatory vax or ongoing testing deal (and our company was going to likely require employee to pay for the ongoing testing if no vax). I had acquired a vax record like the one below from the multiple images online and was going to photoshop and fill it in with my info and photocopy it to HR like they asked....  Problem solved.https://www.bu.edu/files/2021/04/leadin-AP_20353529266022.jpg This. Enough |
| Hey Hospitals, we will give you $19,000 for every patient you treat that has COVID. We know we don't have a reliable test for you to use, so just be super honest and don't put COVID on any medical records unless you're like super sure that's what they have. We know the symptoms are the same as the flu and it's flu season, but if you could not label everyone as COVID and nobody as flu that would be great mkay? |
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Originally Posted By scrambler28: Me when asked if I got the shot.  https://media2.giphy.com/media/jH6s9HMMi53dSdI73r/200.webp?cid=8dc8958chc0bvo3ocvgm4uymm07894mws0s3us2nr97v6872&ep=v1_gifs_search&rid=200.webp&ct=g My answer: "As far as you know." 
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Originally Posted By MFP_4073: my next door neighbor died early in the COVID outbreak. otherwise healthy 50-ish year old -- but had one of those low key auto-immune deficiencies. very hard on her family. i bet she would have been an ideal candidate for the shots. but i agree for them to pushed as hard as they were for 'normally healthy' people -- especially kids and younger people -- was asinine and unnecessary. Originally Posted By MFP_4073: Originally Posted By RobertJohnson1234: You might want to read the JAMA report on the vaccine effectiveness published in June 2026. It did have a significant positive effect. Their words, not mine. Google it. my next door neighbor died early in the COVID outbreak. otherwise healthy 50-ish year old -- but had one of those low key auto-immune deficiencies. very hard on her family. i bet she would have been an ideal candidate for the shots. but i agree for them to pushed as hard as they were for 'normally healthy' people -- especially kids and younger people -- was asinine and unnecessary. What probably would have saved her was monoclonal antibodies. They were extremely effect until the government bought them all up and refused to distribute them. |
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Originally Posted By RamblinWreck: My answer: "As far as you know." Originally Posted By RamblinWreck: Originally Posted By scrambler28: Me when asked if I got the shot. https://media2.giphy.com/media/jH6s9HMMi53dSdI73r/200.webp?cid=8dc8958chc0bvo3ocvgm4uymm07894mws0s3us2nr97v6872&ep=v1_gifs_search&rid=200.webp&ct=g My answer: "As far as you know." You're upholding the stated (but not as much followed these days) values of North Avenue Trade School. That is good. UBG BSME NATS |
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MRNA technology was explored as a technology to rapidly produce countermeasures to biological warfare. It was in some war planning. Testing of the technology however showed it to be ineffective and potentially very dangerous. It had not progressed beyond animal testing because of the failures. Covid comes along, oh no it's an emergency, let's roll out this technology to the entire planet. Everyone from Fauci on down straight out lied to the planet. Anyone who was even remotely technically involved or willing to read up on it knew this but was silenced by the government/tech synergy. Remdesivir was pretty much the same. It was an experimental treatment for Ebola, that didn't even get to a real clinical trial due to the fatality rate of the initial testing. Covid comes along, out of nowhere Fauci and the CDC starts promoting Remdesivir as a treatment? Huh? It was literally a death sentence for hundreds of thousands of Americans. It had zero efficacy against Covid and a fatality rate approaching 50%, yet this was the ONLY approved treatment. Both of these were experimental pharmaceuticals with known serious, fatal effects from previous testing yet both pushed into massive use with an unbelievable propaganda campaign. Much of the early response to covid was just brainless government apparatchiks scrambling for random disaster plans or previous war games and just doing stuff that sounded good. Respirators as a prime example, government at all levels went crazy for respirators because "pandemic" planning based on the Spanish Flu assumed they would be needed. Bureaucrats were telling doctors how to treat a disease, not based on any clinical evidence or analysis of the disease, but based on the assumptions of plans and war games for "respiratory illness". |
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Originally Posted By Jayne_Cobb: Mid 2020 sounds a bit soon. Nothing closed until March-ish, most variants weren't even categorized until later that year, and those early ones were less transmissible. The only personal exposure I ever suspected didn't happen until mid 2022, and that was just a mild fever with joint pain. Originally Posted By Jayne_Cobb: Originally Posted By 9D1Alpha:. 2-.3 typical flu ( per fauci ) By the middle of 2020 most people had already been exposed ( beginning oct-nov19 ) . If you got enough shots itd bump your IgG4 antibodies up thereby subduing the body's immune response ...OK for the short term I guess . The long term problem with that though is that you cumulatively build up more spike protein . No , your body doesnt just clear it out . The only personal exposure I ever suspected didn't happen until mid 2022, and that was just a mild fever with joint pain. 70% of everybody on the west coast had it by January 2020 . Im in western NC and had it , along with 80% my patients and co-workers in Jan-Feb 2020 . There were no tests til after mar 2020 . Blood banks confirmed cases in as early as Oct 2019 on the west coast . Another thing that should have tipped everyone of ; the shot does not stay in the arm ( its in a small bolus , the body picks up whatever you inject and pumps it everywhere within minutes ) . The Japanese quickly and slyly did a biodistribution study ; it went everywhere you wouldn't want it to go . They did their study initially on the nanolipid because you couldn't talk about spike protein without getting censored and have your study trashed . The spike protein obviously went everywhere the nanolipid went . |