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11/5/2014 6:59:48 PM EDT
How practical, or even possible, is a setup like this for my office?

I have a wireless router my office computers use for Internet, but I'd like to setup a storage server for doing auto backups and sharing files between computers.  I'd need to have a second wireless router to accomplish this without undergoing major expense in tearing walls up to run wires.  Where the data server would be located it couldn't communicate with a wireless router so I have to drill through a concrete fire safe room to run the wire to have the router on the outside of it...

So can my computers access two routers?  One for internet and another for internal data purposes?  

If possible how complicated is it to setup?  I plan on hiring someone to build the server and setup the network (if possible) as it'll save me a lot of time and headaches over doing it myself.
11/5/2014 7:02:31 PM EDT
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What is it about your office that would make pulling cable so difficult?
11/5/2014 7:03:40 PM EDT
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Multiple floors and just inconvenience
11/5/2014 7:04:57 PM EDT
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Why can't the 2nd router act as a bridge?

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If all you want to do is extend your network just throw another router in the house and put it in bridge mode.  Make sure one of the routers in the house can accept USB connections and slap a hard drive on it.  Simple and effective.
11/5/2014 7:05:36 PM EDT
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Router and access point, yes
11/5/2014 7:05:45 PM EDT
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Not sure I get it.  The server can't speak wifi so you're going to have to run wire anyway?  Or if it can, then why do you need another router?

11/5/2014 7:06:04 PM EDT
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Now you are outside the English language to me...I don't know shit about IT.

IF it's possible I'm going to to research a company to do the work, if it's not I have to pursue a different direction.
11/5/2014 7:07:19 PM EDT
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Not sure I get it.  The server can't speak wifi so you're going to have to run wire anyway?  Or if it can, then why do you need another router?

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I'm thinking I'll put a second router outside my firesafe room with a wire that I run through the wall (drilled hole) to hook into the server.
11/5/2014 7:07:32 PM EDT
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A router in bridge mode will just act as a relay for your primary router.
11/5/2014 7:09:17 PM EDT
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A router in bridge mode will just act as a relay for your primary router.
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Now you are outside the English language to me...I don't know shit about IT.

IF it's possible I'm going to to research a company to do the work, if it's not I have to pursue a different direction.


A router in bridge mode will just act as a relay for your primary router.


So it sounds like it would use each computers IP (assigned by the internet router) and allow LAN connections between computers?
11/5/2014 7:09:56 PM EDT
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It's do able. But it might be cheaper and far more reliable to pull the cable rather than run it  wireless. You won't need two separate networks you will just bridge the existing network with a Wireless AP. How many computers are there? Do you want or need file sharing on the server? Where are you located?
11/5/2014 7:10:22 PM EDT
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Yep
11/5/2014 7:13:38 PM EDT
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Now you are outside the English language to me...I don't know shit about IT.

IF it's possible I'm going to to research a company to do the work, if it's not I have to pursue a different direction.

If you don't know what you're doing and this is for your business I think you should just talk with an IT service provider to do this the right way for you.
11/5/2014 7:17:32 PM EDT
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Just do that.
11/5/2014 7:22:55 PM EDT
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I plan on hiring someone to build the server and setup the network (if possible) as it'll save me a lot of time and headaches over doing it myself.

Just do that.


Believe me I plan too, been researching IT companies for the last few days.  However, reading reviews on them and looking at their websites has been discouraging so far...A couple won't even return calls, with a request for contact

Thanks guys, sounds like it's doable in one way or another...just have to consult and figure out the best method.
11/5/2014 7:23:26 PM EDT
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Where are you located?
11/5/2014 7:23:57 PM EDT
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Just north of Seattle.
11/5/2014 7:26:35 PM EDT
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Believe me I plan too, been researching IT companies for the last few days.  However, reading reviews on them and looking at their websites has been discouraging so far...A couple won't even return calls, with a request for contact

Thanks guys, sounds like it's doable in one way or another...just have to consult and figure out the best method.
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I plan on hiring someone to build the server and setup the network (if possible) as it'll save me a lot of time and headaches over doing it myself.

Just do that.


Believe me I plan too, been researching IT companies for the last few days.  However, reading reviews on them and looking at their websites has been discouraging so far...A couple won't even return calls, with a request for contact

Thanks guys, sounds like it's doable in one way or another...just have to consult and figure out the best method.

Narrow the field down, by finding one that's both a Cisco and Microsoft partner.

I don't honestly give a shit about the products they sell, but you'll at least know they're half-serious about being in the networking business.

11/5/2014 7:29:03 PM EDT
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It sounds like you want two separate wireless networks. One for internet access and one for file sharing and backups.

In most cases you can only communicate with ONE wireless access point at a time. So its either or. You can switch between them.
11/5/2014 7:29:13 PM EDT
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The network stuff is easy, others are covering it.  Don't build a server.  Buy it.  Get an HP or a Dell and buy the appropriate  US support.  I'm assuming this is for business.

Also, use wired Ethernet for the server.  Pull the cable or have a low voltage guy do it for you.

ETA:  I like the service provider idea better.  Do what Sub suggested, Cisco/MSFT partner.  Pay the $150-$225 an hour.  It's a write off and you'll get what you need, done right.

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11/5/2014 7:34:17 PM EDT
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You haven't answered the most important question.  Why do you need a second router?  if all you need is a network connection and running wire is difficult, look into Powerline networking.

http://www.newegg.com/Powerline-Networking/SubCategory/ID-294





And if you want a "server" for backup and other things

http://www.aztekcomputers.com/DTSGVAA001-ACER-3736677.html



http://www.serverpartswarehouse.com/Windows-Home-Server-2011-Computer-Model-201-one-year--P1930574.aspx?gclid=CMf5p5zP5MECFYLyMgodyHAAfw



http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=6426709&CatId=1991


11/5/2014 7:34:21 PM EDT
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Once again thanks for the info, I have a better idea than I did an hour ago of if it's possible (albeit outside what I envisioned) and what certs to look for...I thought finding an IT company would be easier, it's Seattle FFS.  Half of their websites look like 90's Frontpage websites
11/5/2014 7:38:23 PM EDT
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BTW, your attempt at solving this dilemma in your head yourself, belies your real need to have an actual network engineer talk to and visit with you for a half hour or so, and come back with a proper solution.

Your "wireless router" is likely a router, wireless access point, Layer 2 switch, DHCP server, DNS relay, shitty firewall, toaster, and God knows what the fuck else. It's probably not good at any one of these things, either.

If and when you hire a proper network engineering firm, they'll likely survey your location and (worst case - cabling expense isn't always as bad as you think) design a wireless solution that will suffice, for the needs of your small business - no holes drilled.

Or, they'll tell you what's up, and why.
11/5/2014 7:39:40 PM EDT
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It may seem odd but you're looking for infrastructure guys not web developers.  Ask for references and check their industry qualifications.

Don't put TOO much stock in web pizazz.  


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Once again thanks for the info, I have a better idea than I did an hour ago of if it's possible (albeit outside what I envisioned) and what certs to look for...I thought finding an IT company would be easier, it's Seattle FFS.  Half of their websites look like 90's Frontpage websites
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11/5/2014 7:40:28 PM EDT
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Yes.

11/5/2014 7:58:32 PM EDT
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Try searching for a managed service provider. That is probably more of the guys you want. Their main goal will be to provide on going support of your environment after the initial project so they're going to want to make sure everything is 100% if they have their shit together.