[ARCHIVED THREAD] - I, Racist (Page 1 of 3)
Posted: 7/12/2015 9:36:32 AM EDT
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Holy white devilry, batman.
Edit: TL;DR version: blacks are systematically oppressed by institutional racism and white supremacy, and white people go out of their way to remain blind to it. Oh, and #blacklivesmatter. I, Racist What follows is the text of a “sermon” that I gave as a “congregational reflection” to an all White audience at the Bethel Congregational United Church of Christ on Sunday, June 28th. The sermon was begun with a reading of The Good Samaritan story, and this wonderful quote from Chimamanda Ngozi Adichie’s Americanah.
______________ A couple weeks ago, I was debating what I was going to talk about in this sermon. I told Pastor Kelly Ryan I had great reservations talking about the one topic that I think about every single day. Then, a terrorist massacred nine innocent people in a church that I went to, in a city that I still think of as home. At that point, I knew that despite any misgivings, I needed to talk about race. You see, I don’t talk about race with White people. To illustrate why, I’ll tell a story: It was probably about 15 years ago when a conversation took place between my aunt, who is White and lives in New York State, and my sister, who is Black and lives in North Carolina. This conversation can be distilled to a single sentence, said by my Black sister: “The only difference between people in The North and people in The South is that down here, at least people are honest about being racist.” There was a lot more to that conversation, obviously, but I suggest that it can be distilled into that one sentence because it has been, by my White aunt. Over a decade later, this sentence is still what she talks about. It has become the single most important aspect of my aunt’s relationship with my Black family. She is still hurt by the suggestion that people in New York, that she, a northerner, a liberal, a good person who has Black family members, is a racist. This perfectly illustrates why I don’t talk about race with White people. Even– or rather, especially– my own family. I love my aunt. She’s actually my favorite aunt, and believe me, I have a lot of awesome aunts to choose from. But the facts are actually quite in my sister’s favor on this one. New York State is one of the most segregated states in the country. Buffalo, New York where my aunt lives is one of the 10 most segregated school systems in the country. The racial inequality of the area she inhabits is so bad that it has been the subject of reports by the Civil Rights Action Network and the NAACP. Those, however, are facts that my aunt does not need to know. She does not need to live with the racial segregation and oppression of her home. As a white person with upward mobility, she has continued to improve her situation. She moved out of the area I grew up in– she moved to an area with better schools. She doesn’t have to experience racism, and so it is not real to her. Nor does it dawn on her that the very fact that she moved away from an increasingly Black neighborhood to live in a White suburb might itself be a aspect of racism. She doesn’t need to realize that “better schools” exclusively means “whiter schools.” I don’t talk about race with White people because I have so often seen it go nowhere. When I was younger, I thought it was because all white people are racist. Recently, I’ve begun to understand that it’s more nuanced than that. To understand, you have to know that Black people think in terms of Black people. We don’t see a shooting of an innocent Black child in another state as something separate from us because we know viscerally that it could be our child, our parent, or us, that is shot. The shooting of Walter Scott in North Charleston resonated with me because Walter Scott was portrayed in the media as a deadbeat and a criminal– but when you look at the facts about the actual man, he was nearly indistinguishable from my own father. Racism affects us directly because the fact that it happened at a geographically remote location or to another Black person is only a coincidence, an accident. It could just as easily happen to us- right here, right now. Black people think in terms of we because we live in a society where the social and political structures interact with us as Black people. White people do not think in terms of we. White people have the privilege to interact with the social and political structures of our society as individuals. You are “you,” I am “one of them.” Whites are often not directly affected by racial oppression even in their own community, so what does not affect them locally has little chance of affecting them regionally or nationally. They have no need, nor often any real desire, to think in terms of a group. They are supported by the system, and so are mostly unaffected by it. What they are affected by are attacks on their own character. To my aunt, the suggestion that “people in The North are racist” is an attack on her as a racist. She is unable to differentiate her participation within a racist system (upwardly mobile, not racially profiled, able to move to White suburbs, etc.) from an accusation that she, individually, is a racist. Without being able to make that differentiation, White people in general decide to vigorously defend their own personal non-racism, or point out that it doesn’t exist because they don’t see it. The result of this is an incessantly repeating argument where a Black person says “Racism still exists. It is real,” and a white person argues “You’re wrong, I’m not racist at all. I don’t even see any racism.” My aunt’s immediate response is not “that is wrong, we should do better.” No, her response is self-protection: “That’s not my fault, I didn’t do anything. You are wrong.” Racism is not slavery. As President Obama said, it’s not avoiding the use of the word Nigger. Racism is not white water fountains and the back of the bus. Martin Luther King did not end racism. Racism is a cop severing the spine of an innocent man. It is a 12 year old child being shot for playing with a toy gun in a state where it is legal to openly carry firearms. But racism is even more subtle than that. It’s more nuanced. Racism is the fact that “White” means “normal” and that anything else is different. Racism is our acceptance of an all white Lord of the Rings cast because of “historical accuracy,” ignoring the fact that this is a world with an entirely fictionalized history. Even when we make shit up, we want it to be white. And racism is the fact that we all accept that it is white. Benedict Cumberbatch playing Khan in Star Trek. Khan, who is from India. Is there anyone Whiter than Benedict fucking Cumberbatch? What? They needed a “less racial” cast because they already had the Black Uhura character? That is racism. Once you let yourself see it, it’s there all the time. Black children learn this when their parents give them “The Talk.” When they are sat down at the age of 5 or so and told that their best friend’s father is not sick, and not in a bad mood– he just doesn’t want his son playing with you. Black children grow up early to life in The Matrix. We’re not given a choice of the red or blue pill. Most white people, like my aunt, never have to choose. The system was made for White people, so White people don’t have to think about living in it. But we can’t point this out. Living every single day with institutionalized racism and then having to argue its very existence, is tiring, and saddening, and angering. Yet if we express any emotion while talking about it, we’re tone policed, told we’re being angry. In fact, a key element in any racial argument in America is the Angry Black person, and racial discussions shut down when that person speaks. The Angry Black person invalidates any arguments about racism because they are “just being overly sensitive,” or “too emotional,” or– playing the race card. Or even worse, we’re told that we are being racist (Does any intelligent person actually believe a systematically oppressed demographic has the ability to oppress those in power?) But here is the irony, here’s the thing that all the angry Black people know, and no calmly debating White people want to admit: The entire discussion of race in America centers around the protection of White feelings. Ask any Black person and they’ll tell you the same thing. The reality of thousands of innocent people raped, shot, imprisoned, and systematically disenfranchised are less important than the suggestion that a single White person might be complicit in a racist system. This is the country we live in. Millions of Black lives are valued less than a single White person’s hurt feelings. White people and Black people are not having a discussion about race. Black people, thinking as a group, are talking about living in a racist system. White people, thinking as individuals, refuse to talk about “I, racist” and instead protect their own individual and personal goodness. In doing so, they reject the existence of racism. But arguing about personal non-racism is missing the point. Despite what the Charleston Massacre makes things look like, people are dying not because individuals are racist, but because individuals are helping support a racist system by wanting to protect their own non-racist self beliefs. People are dying because we are supporting a racist system that justifies White people killing Black people. We see this in the way that one Muslim killer is a sign of Islamic terror; in the way one Mexican thief is a pointer to the importance of border security; in one innocent, unarmed Black man is shot in the back by a cop, then sullied in the media as a thug and criminal. And in the way a white racist in a state that still flies the confederate flag is seen as “troubling” and “unnerving.” In the way people “can’t understand why he would do such a thing.” A white person smoking pot is a “Hippie” and a Black person doing it is a “criminal.” It’s evident in the school to prison pipeline and the fact that there are close to 20 people of color in prison for every white person. There’s a headline from The Independent that sums this up quite nicely: “Charleston shooting: Black and Muslim killers are ‘terrorists’ and ‘thugs’. Why are white shooters called ‘mentally ill’?” I’m gonna read that again: “Black and Muslim killers are ‘terrorists’ and ‘thugs’. Why are white shooters called ‘mentally ill’?” Did you catch that? It’s beautifully subtle. This is an article talking specifically about the different way we treat people of color in this nation and even in this article’s headline, the white people are “shooters” and the Black and Muslim people are “killers.” Even when we’re talking about racism, we’re using racist language to make people of color look dangerous and make White people come out as not so bad. Just let that sink in for a minute, then ask yourself why Black people are angry when they talk about race. The reality of America is that White people are fundamentally good, and so when a white person commits a crime, it is a sign that they, as an individual, are bad. Their actions as a person are not indicative of any broader social construct. Even the fact that America has a growing number of violent hate groups, populated mostly by white men, and that nearly *all* serial killers are white men can not shadow the fundamental truth of white male goodness. In fact, we like White serial killers so much, we make mini-series about them. White people are good as a whole, and only act badly as individuals. People of color, especially Black people (but boy we can talk about “The Mexicans” in this community) are seen as fundamentally bad. There might be a good one– and we are always quick to point them out to our friends, show them off as our Academy Award for “Best Non-Racist in a White Role”– but when we see a bad one, it’s just proof that the rest are, as a rule, bad. This, all of this, expectation, treatment, thought, the underlying social system that puts White in the position of Normal and good, and Black in the position of “other” and “bad,” all of this, is racism. And White people, every single one of you, are complicit in this racism because you benefit directly from it. This is why I don’t like the story of the good samaritan. Everyone likes to think of themselves as the person who sees someone beaten and bloodied and helps him out. That’s too easy. If I could re-write that story, I’d rewrite it from the perspective of Black America. What if the person wasn’t beaten and bloody? What if it wasn’t so obvious? What if they were just systematically challenged in a thousand small ways that actually made it easier for you to succeed in life? Would you be so quick to help then, or would you, like most White people, stay silent and let it happen. Here’s what I want to say to you: Racism is so deeply embedded in this country not because of the racist right-wing radicals who practice it openly, it exists because of the silence and hurt feelings of liberal America. That’s what I want to say, but really, I can’t. I can’t say that because I’ve spent my life not talking about race to White people. In a big way, it’s my fault. Racism exists because I, as a Black person, don’t challenge you to look at it. Racism exists because I, not you, am silent. But I’m caught in the perfect Catch 22, because when I start pointing out racism, I become the Angry Black Person, and the discussion shuts down again. So I’m stuck. All the Black voices in the world speaking about racism all the time do not move White people to think about it– but one White John Stewart talking about Charleston has a whole lot of White people talking about it. That’s the world we live in. Black people can’t change it while White people are silent and deaf to our words. White people are in a position of power in this country because of racism. The question is: Are they brave enough to use that power to speak against the system that gave it to them? So I’m asking you to help me. Notice this. Speak up. Don’t let it slide. Don’t stand watching in silence. Help build a world where it never gets to the point where the Samaritan has to see someone bloodied and broken. As for me, I will no longer be silent. I’m going to try to speak kindly, and softly, but that’s gonna be hard. Because it’s getting harder and harder for me to think about the protection of White people’s feelings when White people don’t seem to care at all about the loss of so many Black lives. |
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I tried to read this. I really did. But I only made it to the part where he basically says that blacks are collectivists and whites are individualist (which is generally true, by the way, and a big part of the problem). I tried to read it but I just can't because I just basically don't give a shit what blacks think any more. |
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I tried to read this. I really did. But I only made it to the part where he basically says that blacks are collectivists and whites are individualist (which is generally true, by the way, and a big part of the problem). I tried to read it but I just can't because I just basically don't give a shit what blacks think any more. It is important that this line of bullshit gets called out however. We can no longer let this narrative slide or it's going to get out of hand. Or should I say even more out of hand. |
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So basically whites are unable to see the racism inherent in the system, also owned by whites, and therefore the only recourse is more education to force whites to accept that whites are the reason for everything wrong with every other race on the planet.
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So basically whites are unable to see the racism inherent in the system, also owned by whites, and therefore the only recourse is more education to force whites to accept that whites are the reason for everything wrong with every other race on the planet. Did I get that right? Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile That's what I got out of it. My whiteness sickatates me........ |
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It is important that this line of bullshit gets called out however. We can no longer let this narrative slide or it's going to get out of hand. Or should I say even more out of hand. Quoted:
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I tried to read this. I really did. But I only made it to the part where he basically says that blacks are collectivists and whites are individualist (which is generally true, by the way, and a big part of the problem). I tried to read it but I just can't because I just basically don't give a shit what blacks think any more. It is important that this line of bullshit gets called out however. We can no longer let this narrative slide or it's going to get out of hand. Or should I say even more out of hand. I don't disagree with you but I don't think it really matters either. There are certain groups in this country that are spoiling for a fight and I've begun to believe that they're going to get it. They aren't going to get the results that they think they're going to get out of that fight, but that seems to be irrelevant. |
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So basically whites are unable to see the racism inherent in the system, also owned by whites, and therefore the only recourse is more education to force whites to accept that whites are the reason for everything wrong with every other race on the planet. Did I get that right? Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile Yup that was the gist of it, and I might add in that long ass diatribe he made no effert to describe any solution to the problem if sees. |
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"...People of color, especially Black people... are seen as fundamentally bad. "
According to the FBI Uniform Crime Report, 48% of the murders in this country are committed by blacks, who compose 12% of the population. But, wait, further analysis of the FBI data shows that females play a statistically insignificant role in that crime. So the 12% is really 6% And further study shows that young males under 15 and older makes over 25 play a statistical insignificant role. So the 6% now becomes 3% 3% of the US population account for nearly half of the murders. |
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Repeated claims of victim hood, begets victim hood. Personal responsibility is the way out. The OP's screed is precisely the type of race baiting that divides the races. OP is too inundated with white guilt to be able to see it. Sad, really. Derp city, here we come. I'm against the fucking screed bro. Carry on. |
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At this moment in time I categorically refuse to enter into dialog with black supremacists and militant minorities. I'm so tired of hearing about black achievement, how slaves built this nation and how Whitey has kept everyone down. Like it or not this nation was built on white European values. That's a fact.
Black slaves were of little consequence in building this nation and oh by the way, slavery is common to the human condition across the globe. So in the end this all just another diatribe to keep Blacks angry and voting Dem. Has nothing to do with Blacks at all really, other than to keep them useful in the march to Marxism. |
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Derp city, here we come. I'm against the fucking screed bro. Carry on. Quoted:
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Repeated claims of victim hood, begets victim hood. Personal responsibility is the way out. The OP's screed is precisely the type of race baiting that divides the races. OP is too inundated with white guilt to be able to see it. Sad, really. Derp city, here we come. I'm against the fucking screed bro. Carry on. No. it's evident that YOU are already living in Derp City. Calling something Derp - especially the logic that just absolutely crushed your entire premise - is the desperate attempt of a person standing to defend something with an empty gun. |
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Id ask the arthor if hed leave his expensive car unlocked with the keys in it in the hood or in some random white neighborhood? Ill break out the statistics if you still want to deny reality. Id ask him from an outside perspective what youd think of ppl that consider it normal for their fathers to have a rap sheet or to rarely have a father to begin with.. Or what hed think of someone who would immediately assume a black person got a role on startrek so she can be the token black with zero proof. If he wants to know why ppl treat him differently or are "racist" maybe some reflection on behavior should provide enlightenment on the subject.
So I wonder if black ppl are racist towards cops, considering I would assume those group of ppl with an identifing characteristic (uniform instead of skin color) are immediately treated with suspicion by black ppl. Why could that be? Also Id mention in order to be offended by the term Id have to hold some respect for the knowledge of delivery person, which is why you can call me a racist all day long and I dont give a shit because if you are too dumb to realize that ppl treat you differently because your community frequently acts like a bunch of savages and performs poorly in society Im not sure what else I can tell you. |
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Id ask the arthor if hed leave his expensive car unlocked with the keys in it in the hood or in some random white neighborhood? Ill break out the statistics if you still want to deny reality. Id ask him from an outside perspective what youd think of ppl that consider it normal for their fathers to have a rap sheet or to rarely have a father to begin with.. Or what hed think of someone who would immediately assume a black person got a role on startrek so she can be the token black with zero proof. If he wants to know why ppl treat him differently or are "racist" maybe some reflection on behavior should provide enlightenment on the subject. So I wonder if black ppl are racist towards cops, considering I would assume those group of ppl with an identifing characteristic (uniform instead of skin color) are immediately treated with suspicion by black ppl. Why could that be? Also Id mention in order to be offended by the term Id have to hold some respect for the knowledge of delivery person, which is why you can call me a racist all day long and I dont give a shit because if you are too dumb to realize that ppl treat you differently because your community frequently acts like a bunch of savages and performs poorly in society Im not sure what else I can tell you. Ask Juan Williiams. He was honest and it cost him his job. |
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No. it's evident that YOU are already living in Derp City. Calling something Derp - especially the logic that just absolutely crushed your entire premise - is the desperate attempt of a person standing to defend something with an empty gun. Quoted:
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Repeated claims of victim hood, begets victim hood. Personal responsibility is the way out. The OP's screed is precisely the type of race baiting that divides the races. OP is too inundated with white guilt to be able to see it. Sad, really. Derp city, here we come. I'm against the fucking screed bro. Carry on. No. it's evident that YOU are already living in Derp City. Calling something Derp - especially the logic that just absolutely crushed your entire premise - is the desperate attempt of a person standing to defend something with an empty gun. ![]() ![]() ![]() /![]() ![]() ![]() ![]()
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When blacks make up a small percentage of the population then concentrate themselves into neighborhoods and ghettos, then naturally there will be large swathes of the nation with a small or nonexistent population of blacks.
When they fail to act like civilized people, then whites are not enamored and don't give a damn that they have concentrated themselves so at least the misbehavior is also contained. When they are complicit with and embrace the left's strategy enabled by their racist black "leaders" to make them wards of the state accompanied by decreasing quality of life after decades of "help", taxpaying whites are flatly running out of give a damn. That goes for sorry whites in the FSA, too, by the way. We know that there are black men and women of good character that live in the concentrations, and they have failed to pressure the remainder of their communities to straighten the hell up and act civilized; it's their jobs to do that, not the police or the courts or the legislatures or the whites out the in suburbs or other places with low or no populations of blacks. To be fair, those of good character are like the whites elsewhere that have their time occupied by simply making a living, but they have the same 24 hours in every day, too. Many whites that view themselves as "not racist" toward blacks remain skeptical until proven different and prefer to be separate from blacks in their social circles. That is exercise of the right of association, exercised exactly as it is in the black concentrations. If it's racist, then so be it, but blacks have to accept that it defines their racism. |
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"She doesn’t need to realize that “better schools” exclusively means “whiter schools.” "
Again racist. Does whiter = better or does better disciplined children = better? Does higher income = better? Does more fathers in the home = better? All of my suggestions are less racist than suggesting that the mere presence of white children make a school better. |
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"I don’t talk about race with White people because I have so often seen it go nowhere."
I read that as that the people she's talking to don't accept her socialist versions of the "facts" she's been fed and now believes as the truth. Only a complete fool thinks they'll go into a discussion about something as contentious as race and expect to noticeably change the person they're debating. |
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"To understand, you have to know that Black people think in terms of Black people. We don’t see a shooting of an innocent Black child in another state as something separate from us because we know viscerally that it could be our child, our parent, or us, that is shot. "
But you don't feel the same about the rape and murder of a 14-year old white girl by a gang of 7 blacks in NY? That's racist tribalism. |
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I tried to read this. I really did. But I only made it to the part where he basically says that blacks are collectivists and whites are individualist (which is generally true, by the way, and a big part of the problem). I tried to read it but I just can't because I just basically don't give a shit what blacks think any more. Quoted:
I tried to read this. I really did. But I only made it to the part where he basically says that blacks are collectivists and whites are individualist (which is generally true, by the way, and a big part of the problem). I tried to read it but I just can't because I just basically don't give a shit what blacks think any more. I made it to the next paragraph, where he then wrote What they are affected by are attacks on their own character. To my aunt, the suggestion that “people in The North are racist” is an attack on her as a racist. She is unable to differentiate her participation within a racist system (upwardly mobile, not racially profiled, able to move to White suburbs, etc.) from an accusation that she, individually, is a racist. So he is noting that his aunt is unable to separate herself from the lumped in claim "that people in the North are racist," which means that he sees that white people do see themselves as part of a whole as well, even though he wants to argue that they don't, that white people only have the luxury of seeing themselves as individuals. His thinking is fuzzy and his argument makes my head hurt trying to follow it. And then he went on to get mad about a white English guy playing Khan and tried to tie that into his argument about racism, and I quit reading. I guess that makes me a racist, a racist with a headache. |
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"Black people think in terms of we because we live in a society where the social and political structures interact with us as Black people. "
It must suck to walk around all day self identifying yourself by the color of your skin rather than the content of your character, your talents, skills, abilities and accomplishments as apparently only non-blacks can do. There's your problem. When someone fucks me over I just think they're fucking me over not that the social and political structure conspired to fuck me because I'm a male white. |
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"White people do not think in terms of we. White people have the privilege to interact with the social and political structures of our society as individuals. "
More socialist bull shit victum speak. You control your destiny and the way you think and act is the number one influence on how people react to you. If we meet and you're an asshole you're going to get treated the same way whether you're black or white. Walk around with a chip on your shoulder and you're going to find that life is way different. The language of the self appointed victims sickens me. |
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"People are dying because we are supporting a racist system that justifies White people killing Black people. "
Do you even FBI crime statistics stupid bitch? If next year Black (why does she capitalize that?) stopped killing Black people and white people tripled the number of blacks they killed it would be cited as a landmark reduction in the number of murders in this nation. For complex reasons blacks kill a very very disproportionate number of Americans. Blacks make up about 12% of the nation's population but murder about half the people murdered each year. 93% of the blacks murdered are murdered by blacks. Those are numbers that this lady is not going to want to talk about because "Blacks are dying because we are supporting a racist system that justifies Black people killing Black people. ". |
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"We see this in the way that one Muslim killer is a sign of Islamic terror; in the way one Mexican thief is a pointer to the importance of border security; in one innocent, unarmed Black man is shot in the back by a cop, then sullied in the media as a thug and criminal. "
Holy denial of the facts Batman. One innocent unarmed black man - are we talking Ferguson here shit-for-brains where having just committed a strong-arm robber the innocent man tried to disarm the cop and then got shot while charging at the cop?
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A white actor playing khan is racist? Holy shit!
How exactly do we keep black people out of the suburban schools in N.y?
They are bringing back busing in Rochester and the surrounding area now that the "city schools don't get enough money" cat is out of the bag. |
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Synopsis: the author thinks the story of the Good Samaritan would be useful if the stranger was in fact an unemployed black college graduate and the Samaritan were white and always chose to ignore the stranger. Synopsis synopsis: the author is mad that Whitney's on the moon. |



- complete bull shit and exteremely racist.