Posted: 7/14/2014 9:45:32 AM EDT
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Oh yay, another thing to go wrong. I always wanted a LESS reliable keycard system. Instead of trying 5 or 6 times, trying varying speeds and depths (giggity), I want to do it 20 times and eventually wear out and fail. How do you know it would be less reliable? Have you tried it? ETA: New lock systems developed allow key cards to pass over them instead of inserting them so that's another positive. |
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Yes except they're plastic and not really disposable (like mags). Quoted:
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You mean like the disposable key cards that every hotel and motel uses? Yes except they're plastic and not really disposable (like mags). Why do they need to be disposable? They cost .012 cents online in bulk for the plastic ones, I doubt you could get paper ones cheaper. Making them out of paper is not going to help the environment over recyclable plastic cards that are reusable, more durable, and and able to be re programmed. |
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Why have key cards at all? If you go the the front desk, claim you are in room ### and left your key in the room, the dipshit behind the desk almost always gives you (or whoever is asking) a new key without question. 
Use the mechanical locks, and carry in hotels. |
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If you really have to ask, then you don't know. And explaining it would be better spent teaching my dog to read. Quoted:
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Oh yay, another thing to go wrong. I always wanted a LESS reliable keycard system. Instead of trying 5 or 6 times, trying varying speeds and depths (giggity), I want to do it 20 times and eventually wear out and fail. How do you know it would be less reliable? Have you tried it? So you don't know. Thanks for your insight. |
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Why do they need to be disposable? They cost .012 cents online in bulk for the plastic ones, I doubt you could get paper ones cheaper. Making them out of paper is not going to help the environment over recyclable plastic cards that are reusable, more durable, and and able to be re programmed. Quoted:
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You mean like the disposable key cards that every hotel and motel uses? Yes except they're plastic and not really disposable (like mags). Why do they need to be disposable? They cost .012 cents online in bulk for the plastic ones, I doubt you could get paper ones cheaper. Making them out of paper is not going to help the environment over recyclable plastic cards that are reusable, more durable, and and able to be re programmed. They get lost, thrown out, blah blah. Can't tell you how any of those things I've seen at work (along with my coworkers, I travel a lot). Seemed like a good substitute. And when considering cost per unit, price shouldn't be an issue if manufactured and bought in bulk. It would probably be cheaper in the long run. ETA: And how many hands have handled those plastic key cards? They don't wash those things. |
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I'm for permanent key cards, made of some kind of indestructible metal or composite that won't break or burn or even dissolve in pure hydrochloric acid.
Archeologists eons from now will dig them up and marvel at our technological prowess. Phooey on your old throwaway cards. |
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I'm for permanent key cards, made of some kind of indestructible metal or composite that won't break or burn or even dissolve in pure hydrochloric acid. Archeologists eons from now will dig them up and marvel at our technological prowess. Phooey on your old throwaway cards. Phooey on my disposable laminated paper key cards? Phooey?!?! |
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How do you know it would be less reliable? Have you tried it? ETA: New lock systems developed allow key cards to pass over them instead of inserting them so that's another positive. Quoted:
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Oh yay, another thing to go wrong. I always wanted a LESS reliable keycard system. Instead of trying 5 or 6 times, trying varying speeds and depths (giggity), I want to do it 20 times and eventually wear out and fail. How do you know it would be less reliable? Have you tried it? ETA: New lock systems developed allow key cards to pass over them instead of inserting them so that's another positive. Dumb idea. Cards get wet from being at the pool, sweat from being in your pocket at Disneyland all day. They too easily will get bent and folded. These things exist, they make them for like bus and train passes. For one or two uses. If anyone thought this was a good idea they could order them up now. Also, hotels will reuse plastic key cards over and over. |
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Dumb idea. Cards get wet from being at the pool, sweat from being in your pocket at Disneyland all day. They too easily will get bent and folded. These things exist, they make them for like bus and train passes. For one or two uses. If anyone thought this was a good idea they could order them up now. Also, hotels will reuse plastic key cards over and over. Quoted:
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Oh yay, another thing to go wrong. I always wanted a LESS reliable keycard system. Instead of trying 5 or 6 times, trying varying speeds and depths (giggity), I want to do it 20 times and eventually wear out and fail. How do you know it would be less reliable? Have you tried it? ETA: New lock systems developed allow key cards to pass over them instead of inserting them so that's another positive. Dumb idea. Cards get wet from being at the pool, sweat from being in your pocket at Disneyland all day. They too easily will get bent and folded. These things exist, they make them for like bus and train passes. For one or two uses. If anyone thought this was a good idea they could order them up now. Also, hotels will reuse plastic key cards over and over. It's for the kids damnit! |
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They get lost, thrown out, blah blah. Can't tell you how any of those things I've seen at work (along with my coworkers, I travel a lot). Seemed like a good substitute. And when considering cost per unit, price shouldn't be an issue if manufactured and bought in bulk. It would probably be cheaper in the long run. ETA: And how many hands have handled those plastic key cards? They don't wash those things. Quoted:
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You mean like the disposable key cards that every hotel and motel uses? Yes except they're plastic and not really disposable (like mags). Why do they need to be disposable? They cost .012 cents online in bulk for the plastic ones, I doubt you could get paper ones cheaper. Making them out of paper is not going to help the environment over recyclable plastic cards that are reusable, more durable, and and able to be re programmed. They get lost, thrown out, blah blah. Can't tell you how any of those things I've seen at work (along with my coworkers, I travel a lot). Seemed like a good substitute. And when considering cost per unit, price shouldn't be an issue if manufactured and bought in bulk. It would probably be cheaper in the long run. ETA: And how many hands have handled those plastic key cards? They don't wash those things. Thin sheets of plastic are incredibly cheap and run through machines better than paper. The plastic is a little stiffer and it won't fold up in the transport mechanism as easily as the paper will. Then you will need a paper that will accept the magnetic strip, and a laminate that won't damage the base and the magnetic strip when it's applied. I don't see it being cheaper. |
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Quoted: ... wouldn't laminating them be counter-productive?  sounds like a typical .gov project A.change over to paper cards to be 'green' and save the seals or whales from plastic cards that last 10,000 years B. discover the cards are not as durable as plastic cards C. seal paper cards in plastic, at great expense, to make them last......10,000 years D. be awarded .gov bonus for problem solving skills. |
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I predict smartphone-app bluetooth based hotel room keys before too much longer.
You check in, they "zap" your phone with a code that will open the door for however many days your staying. Guest-loyalty programs could even offer self check-in. The computer texts you your room number, and you just go to the room. As soon as your phone opens the door, the front desk gets a message that you've arrived. |
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sounds like a typical .gov project A.change over to paper cards to be 'green' and save the seals or whales from plastic cards that last 10,000 years B. discover the cards are not as durable as plastic cards C. seal paper cards in plastic, at great expense, to make them last......10,000 years D. be awarded .gov bonus for problem solving skills. Quoted:
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... wouldn't laminating them be counter-productive?
sounds like a typical .gov project A.change over to paper cards to be 'green' and save the seals or whales from plastic cards that last 10,000 years B. discover the cards are not as durable as plastic cards C. seal paper cards in plastic, at great expense, to make them last......10,000 years D. be awarded .gov bonus for problem solving skills. Can't beat 'em, join 'em. |
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Quoted: Oh yay, another thing to go wrong. I always wanted a LESS reliable keycard system. Instead of trying 5 or 6 times, trying varying speeds and depths (giggity), I want to do it 20 times and eventually wear out and fail. |
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Quoted: I predict smartphone-app bluetooth based hotel room keys before too much longer. You check in, they "zap" your phone with a code that will open the door for however many days your staying. Guest-loyalty programs could even offer self check-in. The computer texts you your room number, and you just go to the room. As soon as your phone opens the door, the front desk gets a message that you've arrived. And there goes bribing the desk clerk for an upgrade. 
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Who is the target market?
What advantages does it bring over the existing solution? What disadvantages does it have vs the existing solution? Do the advantages outweigh the disadvantages? What's the cost of switching from the existing solution to your solution? After computing advantages vs disadvantages, does the benefit outweigh the cost? |
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Who is the target market? What advantages does it bring over the existing solution? What disadvantages does it have vs the existing solution? Do the advantages outweigh the disadvantages? What's the cost of switching from the existing solution to your solution? After computing advantages vs disadvantages, does the benefit outweigh the cost? Yes |
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Dumb idea. Cards get wet from being at the pool, sweat from being in your pocket at Disneyland all day. They too easily will get bent and folded. These things exist, they make them for like bus and train passes. For one or two uses. If anyone thought this was a good idea they could order them up now. Also, hotels will reuse plastic key cards over and over. Quoted:
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Oh yay, another thing to go wrong. I always wanted a LESS reliable keycard system. Instead of trying 5 or 6 times, trying varying speeds and depths (giggity), I want to do it 20 times and eventually wear out and fail. How do you know it would be less reliable? Have you tried it? ETA: New lock systems developed allow key cards to pass over them instead of inserting them so that's another positive. Dumb idea. Cards get wet from being at the pool, sweat from being in your pocket at Disneyland all day. They too easily will get bent and folded. These things exist, they make them for like bus and train passes. For one or two uses. If anyone thought this was a good idea they could order them up now. Also, hotels will reuse plastic key cards over and over. What Disney World does is you have a Magic Band which is a removable plastic band that has an RFID chip in it. You scan it to get into your room and you scan it to get into the park and to pay for your meals. |
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Who is the target market? What advantages does it bring over the existing solution? What disadvantages does it have vs the existing solution? Do the advantages outweigh the disadvantages? What's the cost of switching from the existing solution to your solution? After computing advantages vs disadvantages, does the benefit outweigh the cost? Yes You really thought this through, didn't you? |
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And there goes bribing the desk clerk for an upgrade. Quoted:
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I predict smartphone-app bluetooth based hotel room keys before too much longer. You check in, they "zap" your phone with a code that will open the door for however many days your staying. Guest-loyalty programs could even offer self check-in. The computer texts you your room number, and you just go to the room. As soon as your phone opens the door, the front desk gets a message that you've arrived. And there goes bribing the desk clerk for an upgrade. Yeah, but there also goes waiting in the lobby behind some moron that didn't really have a reservation, can't find his ID and asks about every tourist attraction within 87 miles when all you want to do is go to bed. |
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You really thought this through, didn't you? Quoted:
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Who is the target market? What advantages does it bring over the existing solution? What disadvantages does it have vs the existing solution? Do the advantages outweigh the disadvantages? What's the cost of switching from the existing solution to your solution? After computing advantages vs disadvantages, does the benefit outweigh the cost? Yes You really thought this through, didn't you? Yes |
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You really thought this through, didn't you? Quoted:
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Who is the target market? What advantages does it bring over the existing solution? What disadvantages does it have vs the existing solution? Do the advantages outweigh the disadvantages? What's the cost of switching from the existing solution to your solution? After computing advantages vs disadvantages, does the benefit outweigh the cost? Yes You really thought this through, didn't you? I get a paper ticket with a magnetic strip every time I park at the airport. The only difference is that it's not laminated. OP is late to the party and is just not willing to see that fact. |
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I get a paper ticket with a magnetic strip every time I park at the airport. The only difference is that it's not laminated. OP is late to the party and is just not willing to see that fact. Quoted:
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Who is the target market? What advantages does it bring over the existing solution? What disadvantages does it have vs the existing solution? Do the advantages outweigh the disadvantages? What's the cost of switching from the existing solution to your solution? After computing advantages vs disadvantages, does the benefit outweigh the cost? Yes You really thought this through, didn't you? I get a paper ticket with a magnetic strip every time I park at the airport. The only difference is that it's not laminated. OP is late to the party and is just not willing to see that fact. That's looking the case. But yet it hasn't made it into the lodging industry. But it may soon. Who knows. |
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That's looking the case. But yet it hasn't made it into the lodging industry. But it may soon. Who knows. Quoted:
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Who is the target market? What advantages does it bring over the existing solution? What disadvantages does it have vs the existing solution? Do the advantages outweigh the disadvantages? What's the cost of switching from the existing solution to your solution? After computing advantages vs disadvantages, does the benefit outweigh the cost? Yes You really thought this through, didn't you? I get a paper ticket with a magnetic strip every time I park at the airport. The only difference is that it's not laminated. OP is late to the party and is just not willing to see that fact. That's looking the case. But yet it hasn't made it into the lodging industry. But it may soon. Who knows. If you answer those questions I asked, then maybe you could figure out why the lodging industry hasn't and make a more accurate prediction about whether they would. |
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After computing advantages vs disadvantages, does the benefit outweig it If you answer those questions I asked, then maybe you could figure out why the lodging industry hasn't and make a more accurate prediction about whether they would. Or maybe no one has attempted to present/sell the idea yet. Could be as simple as that. |
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Or maybe no one has attempted to present/sell the idea yet. Could be as simple as that. Quoted:
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After computing advantages vs disadvantages, does the benefit outweig it If you answer those questions I asked, then maybe you could figure out why the lodging industry hasn't and make a more accurate prediction about whether they would. Or maybe no one has attempted to present/sell the idea yet. Could be as simple as that. You could very well be right, hence the bit in red. Now go figure out if you are. |
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You could very well be right, hence the bit in red. Now go figure out if you are. Quoted:
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After computing advantages vs disadvantages, does the benefit outweig it If you answer those questions I asked, then maybe you could figure out why the lodging industry hasn't and make a more accurate prediction about whether they would. Or maybe no one has attempted to present/sell the idea yet. Could be as simple as that. You could very well be right, hence the bit in red. Now go figure out if you are. I'm going to fire off an email. Maybe they'll bite. |
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I stayed at a hotel in Sweden once that had wooden key cards.
No joke, really thin birch ply with a magnetic strip. They were kind of cool, but mine had to be replaced and the front desk said they had lots of trouble with them and were phasing them out. I'd have liked to get a bunch of the raw stock, though. Would have been awesome for model airplanes and stuff like that. |
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Magnetic stripe card blanks are like a nickel a pop, probably less in big quantities like hotels buy them.... how much money do you think there is to save? I don't think it really has anything to do with actually saving (produced card for card, who knows $) but what they can use to market themselves out as. Disposable Paper Keycards made from recycled material which in turn are recyclable. Sanitary, Green image, possibly perceived as less worries for the Guests if lost or fail to return to front desk at the end of their stay. |
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Quoted: They get lost, thrown out, blah blah. Can't tell you how any of those things I've seen at work (along with my coworkers, I travel a lot). Seemed like a good substitute. And when considering cost per unit, price shouldn't be an issue if manufactured and bought in bulk. It would probably be cheaper in the long run. ETA: And how many hands have handled those plastic key cards? They don't wash those things. click |