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Posted: 7/22/2018 10:17:13 PM EDT
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They’d be smarter than that. What is a city’s (or fighting force’s) weakest link? Supply lines. If sharpshooters and saboteurs set up along trade routes they could cause rampant chaos and panic within the city as supplies dwindled and started being rationed. Those same routes would also be used for fleeing residents, so most will stay out of fear of capture or death. |
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Posted: 7/22/2018 10:26:46 PM EDT
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Scorched earth is the only way it would work... we would have to completely eradicate them.... |
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Posted: 7/22/2018 10:27:36 PM EDT
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You're high. Nobody is successfully cutting city's supply lines. Learn from your enemy. IED’s and snipers along roads going into the city would disrupt things and require a significantly larger force to address than the one causing the problems. |
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Posted: 7/22/2018 10:31:33 PM EDT
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Who said anything about cutting them off completely? You just have to disrupt them. Make things more difficult and instill fear among the population of the city and the travelers to and from. Make them take precautions that reduce their efficiency and/or decrease their ability to wage war elsewhere. Learn from your enemy. IED’s and snipers along roads going into the city would disrupt things and require a significantly larger force to address than the one causing the problems. |
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Posted: 7/22/2018 10:43:11 PM EDT
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Enemies that die wholesale are hardly worth learning from. Plus those actions catch attention quickly. And attracting attention is the whole point. A couple jackasses with suppressed rifles go tear stuff up and GTFO. Enemy forces move in to lock down the area and prevent subsequent attack. Said jackasses hit somewhere else to illicit the same response. Before long, the enemy has devoted an enormous amount of resources to deal with a rather small insurgent group of saboteurs. Just return to the outskirts of a locked down area often enough that they don’t withdraw their forces. The goal is to cause panic and divert forces from areas where they’d be more useful. |
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Posted: 7/22/2018 10:46:57 PM EDT
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People seem to not understand that any civil conflict in the US it would not resemble the 1860’s, it would more be something akin to “The Troubles” or Argentina. The American Civil War was more a war between two sovereign states.
Also, something worth looking at regarding the potential for violence is work done by an individual named Peter Turchin. He’s an evolution biologist at UCONN. Some of his work predicts a potential for violence to be very high on the 2020’s. Some of his work in Cliodynamics is very interesting. |
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Posted: 7/22/2018 10:47:41 PM EDT
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well sure, but would you rather have 7 threepers or one OP by your side? |
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Posted: 7/22/2018 10:48:48 PM EDT
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What the frack is OP writing and raving about?
 Is he thinking there is going to be a zombie apocalypse or a cannibal holocaust?  Or, that Red Dawn is coming to his region of the US and Putin is readying his troops in conjunction with the Cuban military for the upcoming invasion??? 
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Posted: 7/22/2018 10:55:52 PM EDT
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Those enemies that died wholesale were using decades old tech to fight against the most formidable military in the world, and kept the fight going for years. I’d say they’re worth learning a bit from. And attracting attention is the whole point. A couple jackasses with suppressed rifles go tear stuff up and GTFO. Enemy forces move in to lock down the area and prevent subsequent attack. Said jackasses hit somewhere else to illicit the same response. Before long, the enemy has devoted an enormous amount of resources to deal with a rather small insurgent group of saboteurs. Just return to the outskirts of a locked down area often enough that they don’t withdraw their forces. The goal is to cause panic and divert forces from areas where they’d be more useful. |
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Posted: 7/22/2018 10:58:47 PM EDT
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People seem to not understand that any civil conflict in the US it would not resemble the 1860’s, it would more be something akin to “The Troubles” or Argentina. The American Civil War was more a war between two sovereign states. Also, something worth looking at regarding the potential for violence is work done by an individual named Peter Turchin. He’s an evolution biologist at UCONN. Some of his work predicts a potential for violence to be very high on the 2020’s. Some of his work in Cliodynamics is very interesting. |
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Posted: 7/22/2018 11:01:35 PM EDT
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Who said anything about cutting them off completely? You just have to disrupt them. Make things more difficult and instill fear among the population of the city and the travelers to and from. Make them take precautions that reduce their efficiency and/or decrease their ability to wage war elsewhere. Learn from your enemy. IED's and snipers along roads going into the city would disrupt things and require a significantly larger force to address than the one causing the problems. for the next few month fiber optic cable lines were cut with tree limb pruners. the cable co was screaming at the FBI to stop them. The FBI's response was how the fuck do you expect us to to protect 20 thousand miles of cable line infrastructure? They got their union a month later There was a mass exodus to direct TV too There was so much uproar about not being able to watch TV imagine if they cut power lines. or parked old junk cars 50 deep on the parkway at o dark 30 |
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Posted: 7/22/2018 11:04:22 PM EDT
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What the frack is OP writing and raving about? Is he thinking there is going to be a zombie apocalypse or a cannibal holocaust? Or, that Red Dawn is coming to his region of the US and Putin is readying his troops in conjunction with the Cuban military for the upcoming invasion??? |
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Posted: 7/22/2018 11:04:44 PM EDT
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Read Anders Brevik's manifesto if you want to see the face of a capable motivated pussy |
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Posted: 7/22/2018 11:08:05 PM EDT
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They’d be smarter than that. What is a city’s (or fighting force’s) weakest link? Supply lines. If sharpshooters and saboteurs set up along trade routes they could cause rampant chaos and panic within the city as supplies dwindled and started being rationed. Those same routes would also be used for fleeing residents, so most will stay out of fear of capture or death. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: Long range does no good inside cities. That is where most of the traitors are, that is where they will be attacking America from, by ballot box, soap box, and cartridge box If sharpshooters and saboteurs set up along trade routes they could cause rampant chaos and panic within the city as supplies dwindled and started being rationed. Those same routes would also be used for fleeing residents, so most will stay out of fear of capture or death. |
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Posted: 7/22/2018 11:08:28 PM EDT
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Those tactics lose. Badly. The idea is to keep them chasing their tail so they can’t marshal their forces somewhere more useful. This isn’t Europe. Supply lines here a spread across vast distances making them very difficult to secure. Spread the enemy out by making them play whack-a-mole with a small geurilla force and allow the main forces to deal with the rest in a conventional manner. It can also draw them into terrain they aren’t used to, giving an upper hand to friendly forces more accustomed to it similar to how the Germans drew allied forces into the Hürtgen Forrest. |
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Posted: 7/22/2018 11:10:31 PM EDT
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You seem to be missing the point. The idea is to keep them chasing their tail so they can’t marshal their forces somewhere more useful. This isn’t Europe. Supply lines here a spread across vast distances making them very difficult to secure. Spread the enemy out by making them play whack-a-mole with a small geurilla force and allow the main forces to deal with the rest in a conventional manner. It can also draw them into terrain they aren’t used to, giving an upper hand to friendly forces more accustomed to it similar to how the Germans drew allied forces into the Hürtgen Forrest. |
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Posted: 7/22/2018 11:14:04 PM EDT
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I believe Lt. Col. North will lead the way.
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Posted: 7/22/2018 11:19:04 PM EDT
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I'm retired and I have lots of guns and ammo. These antifa fuckheads piss me off.
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Posted: 7/22/2018 11:19:58 PM EDT
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You're high. Nobody is successfully cutting city's supply lines. Pay attention to comments from guys who work on the electrical grid or communications systems in threads like this. What I have heard from people like that is that it would only take a handful of people or even just one guy who was knew the system to do a hell of a lot of damage that wouldn't be easy to fix quickly. |
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Posted: 7/22/2018 11:22:08 PM EDT
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Name one person or group that successfully used those tactics in the US? 
In the civil war there was the successful blockade of Vicksburg, but that was using conventional forces to accomplish the goal. Back before our founding the natives used the tactic against the British. |
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Posted: 7/22/2018 11:22:22 PM EDT
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I believe in you op |
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Posted: 7/22/2018 11:22:44 PM EDT
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No, I don't wanna kill anyone unless I have to  Unforgiven | We All Have It Coming Kid | Warner Bros. Entertainment |
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Posted: 7/22/2018 11:23:04 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You ever get stuck in traffic going into or out of a city? Only to get to the end of the traffic jam and see the cause was a relatively minor accident. It takes an amazing amount of effort to keep traffic moving and trains running on time. Same thing for keeping the power on. And that is without people actively trying to throw a wrench in the machine. Pay attention to comments from guys who work on the electrical grid or communications systems in threads like this. What I have heard from people like that is that it would only take a handful of people or even just one guy who was knew the system to do a hell of a lot of damage that wouldn't be easy to fix quickly. CARVER-S But America is the most resilient country on earth with the most developed self defense forces and an intel capability not to be sneezed at. |
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Posted: 7/22/2018 11:23:58 PM EDT
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Seriously? There hasn’t been a war fought on homeland soil in over 150 years and you want me to cite it’s use?
In the civil war there was the successful blockade of Vicksburg, but that was using conventional forces to accomplish the goal. Back before our founding the natives used the tactic against the British. 
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Posted: 7/22/2018 11:26:10 PM EDT
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Start here
@Naporter |
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Posted: 7/22/2018 11:27:45 PM EDT
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liberal home grown bun wearing socialists taking over |
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Posted: 7/22/2018 11:29:32 PM EDT
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Would you like me to list the attempts? Boston bombing? Two guys with crude homemade bombs damn near shut down all of Boston while the police brought in military grade equipment to find them. The DC “snipers”? Same thing. Starting to see the pattern? One or two guys causing an enormous headache for the powers that be and the citizens in their AO. Imagine a couple hundred smarter and more skilled geurillas adopting the same tactics. They’d target highways and utility infrastructure. It would be chaos in short order. |
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Posted: 7/22/2018 11:30:59 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I don't know why I'm not banned? I deserve it. On no planet do I let this MOTHERFUCKER talk shit tho. https://78.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m6bfrcE2n21rziwwco2_500.gif 
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Posted: 7/22/2018 11:31:53 PM EDT
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Another barking chipmunk thread.  |
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Posted: 7/22/2018 11:42:05 PM EDT
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How long and how many cops did it take to stop Dorner? One guy causing all that mess. Boston bombing? Two guys with crude homemade bombs damn near shut down all of Boston while the police brought in military grade equipment to find them. The DC “snipers”? Same thing. Starting to see the pattern? One or two guys causing an enormous headache for the powers that be and the citizens in their AO. Imagine a couple hundred smarter and more skilled geurillas adopting the same tactics. They’d target highways and utility infrastructure. It would be chaos in short order. So far everyone who has tried has failed. Delta dudes aren't going to go on a self funded rampage, and the idiots who may try have and will get rolled up. |
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Posted: 7/22/2018 11:42:25 PM EDT
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I feel sorry for some of you here. You come on threads like this with you pessimistic snarky asshole comments about how everybody's a basement dweller that won't step up when it's time. Are you that fucking miserable all the time? Are you just trying to look cool and edgy to your manbun friends? Are you the highspeed low drag operator as fuck commando that has no peer and look down on those not worthy of your approval? The fuck is wrong with you? You have no idea what some of us arr capable of. I've seen the flat top chest beater puss out under pressure when things went shitty and people were dying. I've also seen the bumbling goof off step up and snatch people from sure death situations. Bunch of pathetic assholes and I don't want to know you. |
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Posted: 7/22/2018 11:48:53 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I’m still not sure if you’re serious or drunk. You're still not sure if I called you a MOTHERFUCKER? You're not sure that I shot every dog I ever loved? What are you not sure about commie?
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Posted: 7/22/2018 11:49:43 PM EDT
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And what's their end game? So far everyone who has tried has failed. Delta dudes aren't going to go on a self funded rampage, and the idiots who may try have and will get rolled up. Attacking infrastructure would also demoralize the population backing the enemy forces and sow discord at home, demoralizing the troops. The US was so successful in WW1 and WW2 because our citizens were never in danger. Manufacturing rolled ahead at full speed. The German war machine was severely hampered by the destruction of their cities and manufacturing ability. Damaging infrastructure like power lines has a wide area of influence and could achieve a similar end. All that takes is a few daredevils with some cutting torches to bring down a high voltage transmission line (which are often in semi-remote areas). |
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Posted: 7/22/2018 11:54:38 PM EDT
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As I’ve said a dozen times, disrupt and divert enemy operations. Attacking infrastructure would also demoralize the population backing the enemy forces and sow discord at home, demoralizing the troops. The US was so successful in WW1 and WW2 because our citizens were never in danger. Manufacturing rolled ahead at full speed. The German war machine was severely hampered by the destruction of their cities and manufacturing ability. Damaging infrastructure like power lines has a wide area of influence and could achieve a similar end. All that takes is a few daredevils with some cutting torches to bring down a high voltage transmission line (which are often in semi-remote areas). I listed plenty of failures of those tactics. We guarded plenty of shit in WWI. We intercepted a fucking TELEGRAM to Mexico that got us into WWI. Look up Operation Gladio. Look up Strategy of Tension. Look up the Hegelian dialect. Today's bullshit is strategy of tension shit. Now work on figuring out who benefits from the strategy of tension. |
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Posted: 7/22/2018 11:59:55 PM EDT
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Yeah, everyone thinks their field is vulnerable and fragile. CARVER-S But America is the most resilient country on earth with the most developed self defense forces and an intel capability not to be sneezed at. And yet on 9-11 less then 20 guys managed to murder 3000 Americans and alter the course of the nation's history. Check out Naporter's post. "He gets it". In all of the incidents he mentions authorities responded with a great deal of resources and they still had trouble running their guy to ground, Now imagine if there were 10 similar situations going on at the same time in the same general region. Now authorities don't have huge amounts of resources to devote to each incident. There are only so many crime labs, helicopters, SWAT teams etc to go around. It would not take a lot of people to create a lot of chaos. |
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Posted: 7/23/2018 12:03:49 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: And yet And yet on 9-11 less then 20 guys managed to murder 3000 Americans and alter the course of the nation's history. Check out Naporter's post. "He gets it". In all of the incidents he mentions authorities responded with a great deal of resources and they still had trouble running their guy to ground, Now imagine if there were 10 similar situations going on at the same time in the same general region. Now authorities don't have huge amounts of resources to devote to each incident. There are only so many crime labs, helicopters, SWAT teams etc to go around. It would not take a lot of people to create a lot of chaos. Why hasn't it worked? Why aren't there successes? Why can I list failures all day long and you can't list successes? |
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Posted: 7/23/2018 12:04:49 AM EDT
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I’d prefer to have reason prevail. But am willing to respond; should that no longer be an option.
ETA: I always have a hard time settling on the most appropriate “Mad Dog” Mattis quote. Right now I’ll go with this one.... "Find the enemy that wants to end this experiment (in American democracy) and kill every one of them until they’re so sick of the killing that they leave us and our freedoms intact." Over a dozen more if the above doesn’t strike your fancy 
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Posted: 7/23/2018 12:05:44 AM EDT
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Damn dirty commies. I'll bring my attack cat, he'll eat their stupid faces off.
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Posted: 7/23/2018 12:11:37 AM EDT
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Damn dirty commies. I'll bring my attack cat, he'll eat their stupid faces off. 
I had to put down some cats too. 
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Posted: 7/23/2018 12:13:25 AM EDT
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Cut off the money the Antifa thugs receive and it would be easier to deal with them.
They are anything but a self-funding, grass roots, organization. |
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Posted: 7/23/2018 12:15:03 AM EDT
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Well how are they gonna take over since we have such dedicated super patriots like yourself here to fight the good fight? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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liberal home grown bun wearing socialists taking over I wonder how many are itching for the chance to waste a bunch of contemptible, worthless, cowardly internet commandos. At least one I'd bet. |
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Posted: 7/23/2018 12:16:48 AM EDT
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Then why doesn't it work? Why hasn't it worked? Why aren't there successes? Why can I list failures all day long and you can't list successes? |
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Posted: 7/23/2018 12:22:19 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: A lack of "critical mass". One lone nut job pops his pmags but nobody follows him. Things get interesting when enough people are pissed off that the one's acting out aren't considered crazy anymore and a bunch of people start following the example. You will see that pattern in a lot of conflicts. We aren't there yet, but we might be headed in that direction and that isn't good. The MOVE bombing? The Sheep wars? Ludlow Massacre? Those were all before America was united through common media. |
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Posted: 7/23/2018 12:25:20 AM EDT
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A lack of "critical mass". One lone nut job pops his pmags but nobody follows him. Things get interesting when enough people are pissed off that the one's acting out aren't considered crazy anymore and a bunch of people start following the example. You will see that pattern in a lot of conflicts. We aren't there yet, but we might be headed in that direction and that isn't good. The problem with the vast majority of transmission lines, whether they be fiber, power, gas, oil, etc is that they’re laegely unguarded because it simply isn’t feasible to protect the entire line. They’re existence hinges on the assumption that no one will intentionally damage them. Imagine the mess one guy with a mini excavator could do to a major gas/oil pipeline. Imagine a hit on a telecom or power substation. Now imagine a few dozen guys making it their mission to do so as often as possible. We’d soon find ourselves sitting in the cold dark wishing this fight had been avoided. |
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Posted: 7/23/2018 12:25:58 AM EDT
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What do you know about the Battle of Blair Mountain? |
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Posted: 7/23/2018 12:26:23 AM EDT
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Just because you've never even heard of the shit that happened in the past doesn't mean it didn't happen.
As children, people are typically oblivious to the bad around them so they remember things being good. As they become aware of their surroundings they start assuming the world is getting worse when they aren't. |
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Posted: 7/23/2018 12:28:15 AM EDT
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Damn right, because you can guarantee the enemy will attempt the same, though likely not as successfully due to the spread out nature of red America. The vast majority of transmission lines, whether they be fiber, power, gas, oil, etc is that they’re laegely unguarded because it simply isn’t feasible to protect the entire line. They’re existence hinges on the assumption that no one will intentionally mess damage them. Imagine the mess one guy with a mini excavator could do to a major gas/oil pipeline. Imagine a hit on a telecom or power substation. Now imagine a few dozen guys making it their mission to do so as often as possible. We’d soon find ourselves sitting in the cold dark wishing this fight had been avoided. 
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Posted: 7/23/2018 12:31:20 AM EDT
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Damn right, because you can guarantee the enemy will attempt the same, though likely not as successfully due to the spread out nature of red America. The problem with the vast majority of transmission lines, whether they be fiber, power, gas, oil, etc is that they’re laegely unguarded because it simply isn’t feasible to protect the entire line. They’re existence hinges on the assumption that no one will intentionally damage them. Imagine the mess one guy with a mini excavator could do to a major gas/oil pipeline. Imagine a hit on a telecom or power substation. Now imagine a few dozen guys making it their mission to do so as often as possible. We’d soon find ourselves sitting in the cold dark wishing this fight had been avoided. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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A lack of "critical mass". One lone nut job pops his pmags but nobody follows him. Things get interesting when enough people are pissed off that the one's acting out aren't considered crazy anymore and a bunch of people start following the it example. You will see that pattern in a lot of conflicts. We aren't there yet, but we might be headed in that direction and that isn't good. The problem with the vast majority of transmission lines, whether they be fiber, power, gas, oil, etc is that they’re laegely unguarded because it simply isn’t feasible to protect the entire line. They’re existence hinges on the assumption that no one will intentionally damage them. Imagine the mess one guy with a mini excavator could do to a major gas/oil pipeline. Imagine a hit on a telecom or power substation. Now imagine a few dozen guys making it their mission to do so as often as possible. We’d soon find ourselves sitting in the cold dark wishing this fight had been avoided. 
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Posted: 7/23/2018 12:34:05 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryExcavators hit distribution lines all the time. Main lines (large lines carrying higher volumes at higher pressures) are usually run through more remote areas specifically to prevent that from happening. Here’s an example of what it looks like when one of those is accidentally damaged. (I don’t remember the details of how this one happened).  Huge Natural Gas Explosion Across Highway 77 in Sissonville West Virginia |
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Posted: 7/23/2018 12:35:55 AM EDT
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They'd be smarter than that. What is a city's (or fighting force's) weakest link? Supply lines. If sharpshooters and saboteurs set up along trade routes they could cause rampant chaos and panic within the city as supplies dwindled and started being rationed. Those same routes would also be used for fleeing residents, so most will stay out of fear of capture or death. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: Long range does no good inside cities. That is where most of the traitors are, that is where they will be attacking America from, by ballot box, soap box, and cartridge box If sharpshooters and saboteurs set up along trade routes they could cause rampant chaos and panic within the city as supplies dwindled and started being rationed. Those same routes would also be used for fleeing residents, so most will stay out of fear of capture or death. The opposing force doesn't have the same dramatic deep seated knowledge you do. When in reality, our nation through doing EXACTLY what your'e talking about, fighting sharpshooters and saboteurs in cities, has LITERALLY written the book about modern COIN/ 4GW. |
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