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Posted: 6/5/2020 10:59:05 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: For me once Kurtz became responsible for Chef's death, all bets are off. He's now responsible for the murder of a US serviceman, whether he personally did it or not. Up until then he was just mercilessly taking the fight to the enemy and accomplishing what all the brass would not. Killing an American would've made it easy for me, and that's how I would've handled it. No hesitation. Oh... and "Redux" completely sucked. ^this. AN is the only movie with Martin Sheen i ever really liked. Was he good in anything else? |
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Posted: 6/5/2020 11:00:06 AM EDT
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as soon as I arrived on the boat, I would have called in an Arc Light strike then turned the boat around and never even gotten off
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Posted: 6/5/2020 12:09:03 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: ...and surviving. It's my dream....... it's my nightmare. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: “” on the edge..... ...of a straight razor......”” ...and surviving. It's my dream....... it's my nightmare.  How Do Snails Navigate Razor Blades Safely? |
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Posted: 6/5/2020 12:14:39 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: ^this. AN is the only movie with Martin Sheen i ever really liked. Was he good in anything else? Good? He made an impression on me in his first movie, "The Incident," in which he played a despicable, sadistic criminal. It seemed to come so naturally to him. So either it was great acting, or.... I can't say I enjoyed the movie or his character, but both were notable. Painful to watch. And another movie where if anyone had had CCW, it would have been a short movie.  The Incident (1967) MOVIE TRAILER - 50 YEAR ANNIVERSARY |
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Posted: 6/5/2020 12:15:02 PM EDT
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...."the will..... to do that...... if I had 10 divisions of those men, our troubles here would be over very quickly."
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Posted: 6/5/2020 12:15:37 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: “” on the edge..... ...of a straight razor......”” ...and surviving. It's my dream....... it's my nightmare.  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=60vOrJsGYu0Like and ?? |
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Posted: 6/5/2020 12:17:48 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Did I miss a scene, or was my Alzheimer's kicking in 30 years before I thought? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I probably wouldn't make it any farther up river after I got laid! Did I miss a scene, or was my Alzheimer's kicking in 30 years before I thought? the Redux version (director's cut) added in a scene with the Bunnies and a scene in a French plantation |
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Posted: 6/5/2020 12:20:21 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Did I miss a scene, or was my Alzheimer's kicking in 30 years before I thought? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I probably wouldn't make it any farther up river after I got laid! Did I miss a scene, or was my Alzheimer's kicking in 30 years before I thought? You didn't miss anything, trust me. |
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Posted: 6/5/2020 12:20:54 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I'd be wearing this!   
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Posted: 6/5/2020 12:29:32 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I'd be wearing this!https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/228016/20190427_154504_Film1-1447797.jpg |
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Posted: 6/5/2020 12:33:51 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: but intentionally not an easy read. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: For anyone that hasn't, read Heart of Darkness by Joseph Conrad. It's the book the movie is based off and is stupidly good. And short for you lazy bastards. but intentionally not an easy read. Most Conrad isn’t. |
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Posted: 6/5/2020 12:37:34 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: ^this. AN is the only movie with Martin Sheen i ever really liked. Was he good in anything else? I loved him in Wall Street. |
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Posted: 6/5/2020 12:42:53 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: For anyone that hasn't, read Heart of Darkness by Joseph Conrad. It's the book the movie is based off and is stupidly good. And short for you lazy bastards. Free on kindle. |
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Posted: 6/5/2020 12:46:07 PM EDT
[#14]
Like an errand boy.
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Posted: 6/5/2020 12:49:05 PM EDT
[#15]
Quote HistoryThe reissue of the Willard is like $3000... |
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Posted: 6/5/2020 1:00:16 PM EDT
[#16]
With a fucking spear.
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Posted: 6/5/2020 1:10:52 PM EDT
[#17]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I loved him in Wall Street. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: ^this. AN is the only movie with Martin Sheen i ever really liked. Was he good in anything else? |
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Posted: 6/5/2020 1:18:44 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Kurtz planned his death, Willard was the instrument. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: If you were Willard. You had no choice. You killed Kurtz or he had you killed. That was the Colonels plan all along. Chef was right. Never leave the boat. Kurtz planned his death, Willard was the instrument. "Exterminate them all"  |
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Posted: 6/5/2020 1:28:41 PM EDT
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For the people who say call in the airstrike, and turn around and leave, did you forget the massive amount of heavily armed followers of Kurtz?
I think they'd massacre you before you got the boat turned around. The only reason they were restrained at arrival is because Kurtz told them not to kill Willard before they met. And "never leaving the boat" wouldn't have helped Chef in the end, he was gonna be fodder. |
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Posted: 6/5/2020 1:30:59 PM EDT
[#20]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Like an errand boy. sent by grocery clerks, to collect a bill |
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Posted: 6/5/2020 1:33:30 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryThis guy gets it! |
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Posted: 6/5/2020 6:13:50 PM EDT
[#22]
Quote HistoryQuoted: For the people who say call in the airstrike, and turn around and leave, did you forget the massive amount of heavily armed followers of Kurtz? I think they'd massacre you before you got the boat turned around. The only reason they were restrained at arrival is because Kurtz told them not to kill Willard before they met. And "never leaving the boat" wouldn't have helped Chef in the end, he was gonna be fodder. It appears he was grabbed while ON the boat. Last scene with him alive is on the boat, waking up and apparently going to the radio to call in the air strike. Maybe the line should be "Get off the fucking boat!" |
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Posted: 6/5/2020 7:55:44 PM EDT
[#23]
Quote HistoryQuoted: For the people who say call in the airstrike, and turn around and leave, did you forget the massive amount of heavily armed followers of Kurtz? I think they'd massacre you before you got the boat turned around. The only reason they were restrained at arrival is because Kurtz told them not to kill Willard before they met. And "never leaving the boat" wouldn't have helped Chef in the end, he was gonna be fodder. Chef wasn't ever really wired into his surroundings. Aware. He said so. Willard said he was wound too tight. He followed orders. Kurtz knew what Willard was going to have Chef do. The jungle spoke to everyone- but Chef. |
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Posted: 6/5/2020 9:52:12 PM EDT
[#24]
Quote HistoryQuoted: ^this. AN is the only movie with Martin Sheen i ever really liked. Was he good in anything else? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: For me once Kurtz became responsible for Chef's death, all bets are off. He's now responsible for the murder of a US serviceman, whether he personally did it or not. Up until then he was just mercilessly taking the fight to the enemy and accomplishing what all the brass would not. Killing an American would've made it easy for me, and that's how I would've handled it. No hesitation. Oh... and "Redux" completely sucked. ^this. AN is the only movie with Martin Sheen i ever really liked. Was he good in anything else? He's just another professional Hollywood pretender- good at what he does but outside of his craft he really just needs to keep his fuckin' trap shut. And he talks… A LOT. If you look at interviews, he really seems like a total jack-ass in real life. I remember as a kid I saw "The Final Countdown" which was pretty cool. He plays a reporter on a nuclear powered aircraft carrier that gets sucked back in time to potentially prevent Pearl Harbor. Aside from that he was pretty good in "The Departed" as Boston State PD's chief of undercover ops or something like that. He established himself to me as a typical loose-lipped liberal jerk-off pretty quick so I never gave a shit about his films… outside Apocalypse Now. |
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Posted: 6/5/2020 10:00:47 PM EDT
[#25]
Quote HistoryQuoted: If you're a Conrad fan, "Ad Astra" is another take on Conrad's "Heart of Darkness" as well. "Darkness" is a symbolic journey into the mind of man, and as the story progresses things start to unravel, and get weirder and weirder. You are on a journey into insanity. If you notice in "Apocalypse Now" every time the boat stops things get more surreal, more bizarre. Same thing goes for Ad Astra. Every time Brad Pitt/"Roy McBride" stops along his journey out things get darker and more insane. Both destinations met with an expedition leader playing God just as in "Heart of Darkness." Both films were renditions of Conrad's novel, although "Apocalypse" was clearly much more effective. The book "The Valley" by John Renehan is similar in many ways |
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Posted: 6/5/2020 10:08:44 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: "Charging a man with murder in this place was like handing out speeding tickets in the Indy 500." Nothing like a piece of pussy, 'cept maybe the Indy 500! 
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Posted: 6/5/2020 10:13:44 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Chef wasn't ever really wired into his surroundings. Aware. He said so. Willard said he was wound too tight. He followed orders. Kurtz knew what Willard was going to have Chef do. The jungle spoke to everyone- but Chef. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: For the people who say call in the airstrike, and turn around and leave, did you forget the massive amount of heavily armed followers of Kurtz? I think they'd massacre you before you got the boat turned around. The only reason they were restrained at arrival is because Kurtz told them not to kill Willard before they met. And "never leaving the boat" wouldn't have helped Chef in the end, he was gonna be fodder. Chef wasn't ever really wired into his surroundings. Aware. He said so. Willard said he was wound too tight. He followed orders. Kurtz knew what Willard was going to have Chef do. The jungle spoke to everyone- but Chef. Chef "I used to think if I died in an evil place, then my soul wouldn't be able to make it to Heaven. But now? Fuck! I mean, I don't care where it goes, as long as it ain't here. So whaddya wanna do? I'll kill the fuck." |
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Posted: 6/5/2020 10:21:50 PM EDT
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I think the original script had Kurtz shooting a machinegun at attacking helicopters screaming, "I can feel the power in my loins!!!"
Milius was a weird dude. |
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Posted: 6/5/2020 10:29:55 PM EDT
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Yeah, the original script had Kurtz, Willard & Co making a last stand as Kilgore's boys were assaulting the compound. I don't think any of those scenes ever got filmed. There is footage out there of early filming where Harvey Keitel was playing Willard. There was some kind of huge fallout on set and Coppola fired him but IIRC a significant number of scenes were shot. There somewhere out in the Googlesphere.
There's a film about the making of Apocalypse Now called "Hearts of Darkness" that illustrates what a complete disaster the production was. Filming literally almost killed Coppola and Sheen, and when the smoke cleared I think it took 5 years to make. It was an absolute logistical nightmare. If you're an "Apocalypse" fan it's required viewing. |
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Posted: 6/5/2020 10:31:13 PM EDT
[#30]
I would not kill Kurtz.
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Posted: 6/6/2020 12:20:14 PM EDT
[#31]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I would not kill Kurtz. Go on..... |
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Posted: 6/6/2020 12:22:57 PM EDT
[#32]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I think the original script had Kurtz shooting a machinegun at attacking helicopters screaming, "I can feel the power in my loins!!!" Milius was a weird dude. Sounds like that guy took on just a wee too much... spiral power. |
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Posted: 6/6/2020 12:30:25 PM EDT
[#33]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I would not kill Kurtz. Captain Colby? |
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Posted: 6/6/2020 12:30:38 PM EDT
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The Roach knew who was in charge.
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