PSA must be reading this thread.

Mud Aug, black too.  $1500

While I personally much prefer the integrated optic rendition - I will say, I highly doubt you will ever see brand new Steyr manufactured AUG's for that price ever again.  If you ever wanted one - look very hard at this deal.

Their AUGs have been on sale for a bit.

Now let’s see them drop their 308 Tavors down to $1500.

@PalmettoStateArmory
Do these take AUG pattern mags or NATO/STANAG AR mags?
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All i heard was autistic gargling.

Speaking of autistic gargling...

Bullpups rock.

Current recommended favorites:

.22 LR


5.56
Steyr AUG for proven classic:

(where the 18" BBL and integrated 3X optic in OD green is juuuussst right, to me)

With strong honorable mention to an RDB.  Frankly, if I wasn't married to the mystic of the AUG, I'd probably just have a lighter RDB.  Most 5.56 bullpups are heavier than they should be.  Including the later generation ones, to which I give judge harshly - AUG was developed in the 1970's - what's your excuse for being so fat TAVOR/Hellion?  KelTec are the only wonder-genius' to ponder "well gosh, if people want a much shorter gun for the improved handling and storage aspects, I bet they want it to not be heavy, as well".

(KelTec signature furniture is just awful and fugly - get the aftermarket foregrip)

308/6.5 CM
I know this is fight'n words - but I dont' care for .308.  I personally find the 6.5CM round a more refined choice with better performance capability and good supply chain route.  To that end, there is only one 6.5CM bullpup in the market, the very cool (and very expensive), MDRx.  


It is a very cool rifle, and is the only .308 class semi-auto I enjoy shooting (I don't really like AR10's).  And I like the 6.5CM offering.  An M4 sized gun that I've run in comparison to an M4 CQB, with almost the same time - with each shot being a 140 gr bullet being sent with 45 gr of gunpowder out of a 20" BBL.  That's some HOLY SHIT level power, in a small package.  That's also a 1000 yard capable round.   While reliability is actually excellent (they had some problems at first, and at second... ); the accuracy isn't that great.  It's also a fat cow, but then, it's a 20" 6.5CM, so there's some understanding there.  But the mediocre accuracy is a downer - I'll say that.  (FWIW, if you downgrade to mild ammo with fast powders and light bullets, accuracy tightens up a lot...)

12 Gauge
Probably the single most underappreciated bullpup out there:  Tokarev 12 Ga/ Panzer 12 Ga, etc.   $250.

With removable choke tubes, and 18" of BBL.  Look up the power, and 18" 12GA is about the same power as any longer length.   It will swing from target to target faster than any shotgun on the planet, and is a Pancor Jackhammer with a removable box magazine.  For $250.  

Beware, this is a cheap gun. It will be unreliable and have a terrible trigger out of the box.  The sights are wretched.  The disassembly is laughably complex and primative.   That said, put 100 round through it, clean it, and it gets a lot more reliable, and the trigger gets much better.  Put a green-dot sight on top, and you have a pretty good claysbuster / hunting / tactical combat gun.  this is a FUN gun, and since gas operated, recoil isn't bad.  Since bullpup, all the weight of a 10 or 20 round magazine, is under your shoulder and a non-item.  (just don't use drums).

Btw, people say the plastic hulls deform in the magazines in storage.  I've been testing that, and am almost up to 6 month of compressed 10 round magazine load time now, and I'm not seeing that.

PCC - 9 or 10mm
Once again, High Tower.  they have a really cool chassy... foooorrrrrr a really shitty gun to put in it.  It's a cheap route to a remarkable 10mm option bullpup fun gun.  But done so on a base-model that is the crappiest PCC on the market, and only comes with single-stack magazines, which undermines the whole point.  If they made the chassy for a roller-delayed Stribog (who are coming out with 10mm), that would be AMAZING.


6.5 Grendel



nothing.  If KelTec ever releases their promised RDB in 6.5 Grendel model - I will buy it instantly.

SKU for blk, tan, and a white are standard AUG.
There is a white one with a Nato sku though.  

Descriptions are indeed wonky.

I'm 5'9" and don't find it that bad

Same, to both.

Looks like I *may* have worked out a trade for the Kel Tec RFB .308...any recommendations on which FAL mags to use?

All of them.

I’m partial to the DSA 30’s and 25’s.

If you’re going to get 20’s. Find surplus ones.

Friend of mine I've sold two of those to, and he bought the .45 setup for his brother.

I tried the .45 setup, put it on the table for something to have, and it promptly sold - so I had to buy another 4595, and I'm going to put a folder on that one.

In response to the the post below yours, I wouldn't say the HiPoint is the crappiest PCC on the market.  I'll agree it's the most cheaply made - it's a semi-auto STEN for our day.  It's the ugliest girl at the ball (HighTower puts her in a mightly fancy dress), but she goes bang every time.

What's the going rate right now?

I finally joined the bullpup club.
Desert Tech SRS A1 Gen1 .338LM
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A lot more than $4 apiece......

I wanna say $20?  Moses mags were that price years ago.

You'd need to spin up your time machine to pre 2021 for that kind of pricing.

I bought a bunch for $20 ea a couple years ago. I think I have 40 or so of them.

Bullpups are awesome. 16” barrel in small package.

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Size comparison time--



10in Ruger 5.7
10in AR
17in Hightower/Hipoint bullpup conversion.

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I love my Hellion.
Only three minor quibbles with it.
The safety can be a bit wonky to reach.
Adding a tubed optic can make it to tall to fit in the case it comes with.
The front handguard is too slick.
I am debating taking it off and spraying it down with rubber bed liner.

The Israeli steel metric 20s are nice. I bought a bunch for $10 each a few years ago, still pack and wrapped with cosmoline. Took forever to clean them, but worth it. They are excellent mags.

I own, have modified, and love my Tavor


I toy with doing the full PS90 thing.

And I'm sad the FS2000 was discontinued; I'd buy one in a heartbeat if they continued production and actually supported them afterwards.  What an amazing rifle, even if they did get ripped for looking like a fish.

Have a buddy that has an FS 2000. I got to play with it. It was very ergonomic, trigger was just ok. I like the way it pointed and handled naturally without effort. The main thing I disliked about it was how the mag had to be pulled out with a minor amount of force after release. No chance of dropping free with any mag.

@alien

I can personally attest to the FS2000 being the most POS fragile gun I’ve ever owned. Hard pass.

Also had an HTA 90/22 for a while.  Fun times, every so often I toy with doing it again with an SBR.

Do tell?

You guys better stop your bullpupping

I didn't know they had issues. I thought the forward ejection system was interesting. I also figured that seeing as though they were adopted by Belgium's military that they would be relatively decent quality in terms of reliability and durability.

WalrusTheCat would disagree with you.

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@Action45
Is that the "mud" color?

In case any of y'all hadn't noticed, Springfield is being asshole and importing the VHS-2D model with the 20" finned barrel and bayonet lug.

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So, yeah, I guess I'm going to be buying another VHS-2.

This is one case where bullpup triggers are superior!

I have a Tavor X95. If a gun uses STANAG magazines, it's automatically awesome.

Sorry, Bro, I'm a bullpup fan but the Hellion is about the ugliest factory bullpup I've handled or even seen....

Noooooooooo

(1977) Steyr AUG: 7.3lb
(1985) UK SA80: 11lb (loaded w/ scope)
(1992) M17 rifle: 8.2lb
(1999) Singapore SAR21: 6.6lb
(2001) Tavor: 7.9lb
(2015) KelTec RDB: 6.7 lb
(2017) Desert Tech MDR 8.3lb (all units built on a .308 class rifle frame)
(2022) Springfield Hellion: 8lb

other: reference
(1936) M1 Garand: 9.5lb
(1947) AK47: 9.5lb
(1959) M16 (20" BBL): 6.4 lb
(1994) M4 (14.5" BBL)  AR15 based rifle: 6.4 lb

Bullpups have a weight problem.  The only one that's even trying, is KelTec with the RDB, (and Singapore with the SAR21; which you can't get.)

Edit: to follow-up, I can understand AUG as an earlier developer, who made a good rifle. And MDR, which is a .308 class frame rifle.  But Tavor and Hellion?  25 years later with advances in engineering and material science?  In a world where an M4 is 6.4lb; this is not acceptable.  For the same weight (and price) as Tavor/Hellion, I'm going to pick an AUG every single time, as a proven known good rifle, that actually looks cool.  

Rifles built on military designs tend to run heavier than rifles designed/built specifically for the civilian market, the RDB is a perfect example of a lighter civvie rifle that's definitely not suited for military use whereas my Tavor X95's have been known to go 5k-10k rds w/o cleaning or lubing.

and the 6.4lb M4?

Sry OP, no like

That's why I used the word 'tend' in my post.
Plus, piston systems are always going to be heavier than the AR/M4's DI system.

@RDTCU

What optic is that on the PS90?