Posted: 5/3/2008 9:27:11 PM EDT
| Why is it that people who are of a high intelligence often have difficulty having normal relationships with people, or seem to lack such intangibles as "common sense"? Now I am aware that not everyone fits into that mold, but I know many do. The IQ thread got me thinking about that. |
| Seems like really smart people tend to get ridiculed in school and shunned growing up because of their intelligence, which causes slower interpersonal development. If the person doesn't make a concerted effort to work on it, which isn't easy with social pressures, then that carries on into adulthood. |
| A lot of it has to do with the inane conversations stupid people have. Those of higher intelligence often don't have any interest in American Idol, and those less intellectually gifted aren't likely to engage in conversation on subjects they don't understand. Lack of ability to relate, really. |
Roger that x2 |
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It is a combination of so many things. They don't have time for American Idol. Inane things are too...trivial to really have much time for, what is the purpose of finding some one to sing, who care!! Personally I would rather them to find the next person to cure cancer, or solve why all the folk in Africa can't seem to find out how NOT to be corrupt and feed their people, so I don't' have to.(small rant, sorry  )
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When everyone around you wants to discuss pro wrestling & American Idol... And you want to discuss history, politics & international relations.... You tend to ignore the TV-heads & not waste time relating to them... Start early enough, and you end up with a hard time relating to such people.... |
| What makes you guys think that just because someone is a "genius", that all they ever think about are highbrow subjects? I've known some very bright people and most of them have pretty common interests. Aside from being very bright, they still liked to get drunk and get laid. |
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According to my wife, I apparently have a bad habit of being very condescending to some people, or to people to whom I need to explain things that I find very easy. I have no idea that I'm doing it, so I get particularly aggravated when I piss my wife off when I'm explaining something and she then blows up at me. GT The nerd who fucked up the grading curve.. |
I know lots of smart people. The ones who act normal usually have a greater number of issues. The ones who act all highbrow and shit do OK. "I am alone. I am not lonely." Neil McCauley. |
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High IQ works against you in most situations and with most people. Smart people like to be around other smart people where they can be 'normal'. They can't feel 'normal' when mixed in with the general population. Here in San Antonio the smart bicyclists gather in one bike shop and the smart shooters gather in one gun shop. The guys who run both those places are high IQ guys themselves. Normal and below people will never understand and respect high IQ people and vice versa. They don't think the same way. High intelligence is not enough, knowledge of reality, what is actually real, how things actually are is also needed. Hillary and Barack are cases in point, their actual IQ's are probably marginally high but they have filled their minds with nonsense and bullshit that somebody just made up and so their effective or net IQ's are pretty low. This is evidenced by the crazy things they believe and say. Hitlery is babbling about taking away the oil companies money they have earned and need to find more oil.....as a solution to high oil prices. This is clearly, painfully clearly, a low IQ idea but she is endorsing it. Barack and Hitlery are individuals who probably have slightly high gross IQ's but with their educational foundation of jello they are incapable of understanding how things actually are. IIRC they both have bachelors degrees in political 'science' and doctorates in law. Not the laws of nature that are actually real, govern everything, can't be violated, are the same everywhere and stay the same over time but instead laws of man that people just made up. Both are articulate but not intelligent, not in an effective sense. In their case: garbage out clearly indicates garbage in and believed. How very tragically sad, a mind is indeed a terrible thing to waste. Even a small, narrow, closed mind. A person who has high gross IQ and high net IQ will never be able to agree with them on almost anything or agree with most any democrat on anything, it simply can't happen. democrats will call high net IQ persons names and try to humiliate them and degrade them. On the other hand high net IQ people consider people like the Clintons and Barack fools and buffoons, little better than howler monkeys or herpes. Bottom line is middle and low don't think the same as high and high has trouble living in a normally distributed society. Worst case: being born with a high IQ in sub Sahara Africa where the average IQ can be as low as 67 or 68. Now there's a recipe for disaster if there ever was one. |
Now I must clean up the beer I just spit on my monitor. |
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I see this all the time at work. I work with an above-average number of above-average intellects. I see that most of my colleagues tend to associate amongst themselves and shun the mundane. I think some of it stems from the early development in government schools where we were forced to associate with children of average intellect and were ostracized for thinking things that the others didn't or weren't capable of. This type of social exclusion carried into High School and to a limited degree, college. All the while, most intellectuals gained their social skills from other intellectuals and resulted in a definitive case of the blind leading the blind. Which leads me to believe that is why intellectuals should be treated as lions in a zoo; leave them alone, toss them in a steak on a regular occasion, and they will do what needs to be done, but above all leave them alone. |
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Some of the most sociable, well rounded people I know are also some of the smartest. It always seems to me that those who never learned to develop their super-egos are the same ones who rest on the illusion of their intellectual laurels, yet don't seem to understand that everyone else around them sees them for what they are; smug, condescending, elitist fools. I've got a friend here in town who cant wait to tell everyone he meets how smart he is, when in reality he spends most of his time eroding his finances and his liver on a bar stool trying to cook up new ways to make the dwindling supply of dumb bar whores shag him that hasn't caught on to his con. IQ is like lethality: Most of the guys that tell you how smart they are, are not. Most of the guys that tell you how deadly they are, are not either. |
+1 I was telling a friend of mine awhile back that Fidel Castro had retired...and he didn't even know who Fidel Castro was  . I mean...I know your common person isn't going to know every world leader there is - but you should know Fidel Castro...I mean, he's only been in charge of Cuba for FIFTY FUCKING YEARS But...I just try to be as humble as I can be - because I do have some very smug intellectual friends who don't even realize how condescending they are - and that's the last thing I want to be. 
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Maybe because intelligence does not mean social-ability? In another thread http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=1&f=5&t=705801 I got 136 as my IQ level. If someone looks at my posting history here, they would use me as a great example of how flawed IQ test is My social skills are some where between none and barely any. I don't get frustrated at other's lack of intelligence, but others constantly get frustrated by my immaturity. I've seen people who are smart and sociable, so my conclusion is that intelligence and social-ability are not the same. Page 2 pwnage!
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Was a security guard at my previous job. I remember asking what the bomb threat procedures were. Guess what? common sense. Current tornado warning procedures? chemical spill? Airborne toxin release? all common sense. I've come to the conclusion that "normal" people have as much trouble with common sense as high IQ people, but the difference is that only the high IQ people realize it. Nobody else wants to discuss the problem. |