Posted: 3/13/2014 5:56:59 PM EDT
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Keto has so reduced my hunger** that I'm considering trying Intermittent Fasting to go along with it.
This week I tried the "Leangains" approach; a 16 hour fast followed by an eight hour feeding period. Pretty easy, since I'm never hungry. So, I was considering the Alternate Day Modified Fast, where twice a week you eat at say 6pm (post workout maybe), 20% of the calories you usually have on a regular day, and not eat until 6pm the next night. The other 5 days of the week you eat normally. I found a couple of old threads on Bodybuilding.com where guys used this to great effect to reduce bodyfat, with little or no loss of muscle mass. Anyone here have opinions on IF in any of its formats? ** I'm having a hard time wanting to eat all the 2300 cals I'm supposed to. Full stomach, and bad dreams last night where I was forcing lots of greasy pizza down my gullet... |
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I think it is foolish and screws your body up.
T-Nation has some good articles on it. http://www.t-nation.com/diet-fat-loss/intermittent-fasting-kills-muscle |
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You just started keto, ti's pretty common for appetite to go way down initially it will come back some in that "normal" range in a few days Change just one thing at a time. Right. I'm just gathering info at this point. I have 40 pounds to lose though and have been at a steady weight for way too long. |
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I did it once for about 5 months. Worked out every day fasted, not much lifting a lot of conditioning. I got super trim. 5'9" and 175 or so and easily 8% bf. fasted usually 4 days a week.
Sometimes I think about trying again while lifting and seeing if I could retain muscle and trim up. I thi it's great depending on goals. |
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The main issue cited in the T - nation article Dance linked to was fasted training (weight lifting; fasted cardio seems okay).
Even with IF, I'm getting in two good meals before I lift, so no problem there. The issue that concerned me was protein intake. If you are doing a 24 hour fast, No way will get your 1g/lb in for that day. But lots of lifters are doing it, even some trainers on T - nation advocate it (Dr. John Berardi for one). |
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The main issue cited in the T - nation article Dance linked to was fasted training (weight lifting; fasted cardio seems okay). Even with IF, I'm getting in two good meals before I lift, so no problem there. The issue that concerned me was protein intake. If you are doing a 24 hour fast, No way will get your 1g/lb in for that day. But lots of lifters are doing it, even some trainers on T - nation advocate it (Dr. John Berardi for one). You absolutely can get your protein. I can fairly easily get 185g in a 6 hour eating window (I did 18 hour fasts when I did it, also you should be taking bcaas when training fasted) |
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ECA stack is great... Cycle it 4-6 wks on 4 wks off though... otherwise you'll hate your life if you run it too long and quit... If you happen to be in a country that allows it, Clenbuterol is better... Why would one be hating life if they don't cycle it after 6 weeks? I am just starting my 6th week and planned to not cycle off until my shoulder injury has healed up. I figure my metabolism will drop once I stop the EC stack so I would like to somewhat compensate by being able to work out. |
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You absolutely can get your protein. I can fairly easily get 185g in a 6 hour eating window (I did 18 hour fasts when I did it, also you should be taking bcaas when training fasted) Quoted:
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The main issue cited in the T - nation article Dance linked to was fasted training (weight lifting; fasted cardio seems okay). Even with IF, I'm getting in two good meals before I lift, so no problem there. The issue that concerned me was protein intake. If you are doing a 24 hour fast, No way will get your 1g/lb in for that day. But lots of lifters are doing it, even some trainers on T - nation advocate it (Dr. John Berardi for one). You absolutely can get your protein. I can fairly easily get 185g in a 6 hour eating window (I did 18 hour fasts when I did it, also you should be taking bcaas when training fasted) Right. This week I was doing 16 hour fasts, and getting almost 180g protein in. On Alternate Day Modified Fasting (like Brad Pilon's "Eat-Stop-Eat") where you fast from say 6 pm one day to 6 pm the next, you only have one small meal after a 24 hr fast, so you're missing a lot. Dr. Berardi says it averages out over the course of the week, but I'm skeptical. |
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I think I drove myself into adrenal fatigue with all the cardio I was doing. I had all those symptoms you listed, but since I came here, listened to the advice, and cut way back on cardio, I'm finally feeling back to normal.
I would rather rely on disipline and willpower to deal with supressing my appetite, rather than some chemical. Keto is making it easy to do that though 
in Eat-Stop-Eat, Brad Pilon states in all his research, the only effective way to reduce body weight is to reduce calories. Cycling them by fasting might be the better way to go about that rather than what I've been doing, which was to just eat less for a protracted period. |
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Eca stacks cause adrenal fatigue... Leading to clinical depression. And pretty severe fatigue. Thus body builders cycle clen and each in alternating fashions... Appetite suppression helps people fast What's your opinion on clen and the claims I've seen recently about heart damage? |
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http://omicsonline.org/skeletal-and-cardiac-muscle-ergogenics-and-side-effects-of-clenbuterol-treatment-2161-0673.S1-001.php?aid=3429 Best article on the matter. Moderate doses, not too long of cycles pose minimal risk for cardiac hypertrophy... Unfortunate this is not a pharmaceutical one can get for humans in the USA...
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