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11/17/2004 5:53:17 AM EDT


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http://www.cnn.com/2004/US/11/16/life.hunting.reut/index.html



That moose may soon™ be just a mouse click away

Internet hunting idea has wildlife officials up in arms

HOUSTON, Texas (Reuters) -- Hunters soon™ may be able to sit at their computers and blast away at animals on a Texas ranch via the Internet, a prospect that has state wildlife officials up in arms.

The Web site already offers target practice with a .22 caliber rifle and could soon™ let hunters shoot at deer, antelope and wild pigs, site creator John Underwood said on Tuesday.

Texas officials are not quite sure what to make of Underwood's Web site, but may tweak existing laws to make sure Internet hunting does not get out of hand.

"This is the first one I've seen," said Texas Parks and Wildlife Department wildlife director Mike Berger. "The current state statutes don't cover this sort of thing."

Underwood, an estimator for a San Antonio, Texas auto body shop, has invested $10,000 to build a platform for a rifle and camera that can be remotely aimed on his 330-acre (133-hectare) southwest Texas ranch by anyone on the Internet anywhere in the world.

The idea came last year while viewing another Web site on which cameras posted in the wild are used to snap photos of animals.

"We were looking at a beautiful white-tail buck and my friend said 'If you just had a gun for that.' A little light bulb went off in my head," he said.

Internet hunting could be popular with disabled hunters unable to get out in the woods or distant hunters who cannot afford a trip to Texas, Underwood said.

Berger said state law only covers "regulated animals" such as native deer and birds and cannot prevent Underwood from offering Internet hunts of "unregulated" animals such as non-native deer that many ranchers have imported and wild pigs.

He has proposed a rule that will come up for public discussion in January that anyone hunting animals covered by state law must be physically on site when they shoot.

Berger expressed reservations about remote control hunting, but noted that humans have always adopted new technologies to hunt.

"First it was rocks and clubs, then we sharpened it and put it on a stick. Then there was the bow and arrow, black powder, smokeless power and optics," Berger said. "Maybe this is the next technological step out there."

Underwood, 39, said he will offer animal hunting as soon™ as he gets a fast Internet connection to his remote ranch that will enable hunters to aim the rifle quickly at passing animals.

He said an attendant would retrieve shot animals for the shooters, who could have the heads preserved by a taxidermist. They could also have the meat processed and shipped home, or donated to animal orphanages.



if we can set them up on the border and in iraq, im all for it...
11/17/2004 5:57:20 AM EDT
[#1]
That is killing ---

Not hunting.
11/17/2004 5:57:36 AM EDT
[#2]

Quoted:

if we can set them up on the border and in iraq, im all for it...



Afganistan too!  Imagine every ARFCOM member manning one of those remote control guns, we'd clean out the all tangos in about 30 minutes and post the pics too!

How about also putting them on the US/Mexican border too!!!
11/17/2004 5:59:01 AM EDT
[#3]
dibs on the mini-gun
11/17/2004 5:59:18 AM EDT
[#4]
OMFG.....I want one for my back 80.
11/17/2004 5:59:53 AM EDT
[#5]
i just heard about this on the radio this morning...
11/17/2004 6:00:56 AM EDT
[#6]
I don't think the Texas Wildlife Department is going to let this happen.

But since he's already in Texas. He should patent his idea and then sell it to the Border Patrol. I bet people would pay to logon and shoot illegals crossing the border.
11/17/2004 6:01:01 AM EDT
[#7]
I thought they ATF had a policy on firearms that could be fired electronicly.  
11/17/2004 6:01:14 AM EDT
[#8]

Quoted:
That is killing ---

Not hunting.



Semi +1

Is someone then going to go get the deer or pig so some dinner can be made?

I kill animals, but then I eat them.

Oh and +1 for the set it up in Iraq idea.
11/17/2004 6:02:38 AM EDT
[#9]
This sounds like a hoax to me. Leaving an electronically controlled weapon available to anyone in the world with a computer is just plain rediculous.

It is called reckless endangerment, and there is no way in hell the authorities would allow it.

Methinks someone is having a good laugh on this one....
11/17/2004 6:04:20 AM EDT
[#10]
I'm sure all the shots woud be good clean kills






GM
11/17/2004 6:06:14 AM EDT
[#11]
Bullshit.  How could anyone prevent non-game animals from being shot as they wander into the kill zone?  

This is either a joke or a waste of $10,000.

11/17/2004 6:06:45 AM EDT
[#12]
Anyone know the website??
11/17/2004 6:07:42 AM EDT
[#13]
I was wondering how long til someone decided to do this. What the hell, drop the gun assembly on an oversized radio controlled vehicle, use a wireless net connection to pilot it (or if you are nearby one of those goofy wireless X10 cams or equivalent). Now not only can you hunt from your office or car (using a laptop) you can also stalk your game!
Perfect for the 500lbs lardass who always wanted to be a trained killer but just couldn't step back from the donut pile.
11/17/2004 6:09:51 AM EDT
[#14]
and now...for something completely different.

where do people come up with these ideas?

i have a friend that is a paraplegic and at this moment he is out in montana...hunting! he doesn't need a camera controlled rifle.
11/17/2004 6:09:57 AM EDT
[#15]
actulay a buddy in Alexandria, LA built a robot that we could control from the web... this was a former "battle bots" class monster.. when he got board he straped a 10/22 and a lazer to it... we used it to shoot crap in his back yard..

11/17/2004 6:14:13 AM EDT
[#16]
This reminds me of the "shoot naked ho's with painball guns" hoax those guys in Las Vegas did.
11/17/2004 6:14:59 AM EDT
[#17]

Quoted:
That is killing ---

Not hunting.



I agree with that.  Defeats the purpose....   we don't much hunt for food, even though we usually eat what we kill (we don't NEED to hunt for food, that is).  We hunt because of tradition, to spend time in the outdoors, to spend time with family (father and son hunts) and friends...

If you can just point and click on the net... it defeats the whole purpose.  
11/17/2004 6:16:53 AM EDT
[#18]

Quoted:
That is killing ---

Not hunting.



Oh come ON, PETA-boy. Tell[/] me you wouldn't use it on jack rabbits!
11/17/2004 6:23:53 AM EDT
[#19]

Quoted:

Quoted:
That is killing ---

Not hunting.hr


Semi +1

Is someone then going to go get the deer or pig so some dinner can be made?

I kill animals, but then I eat them.

Oh and +1 for the set it up in Iraq idea.



Huh? Did either of you even read the article before commenting? hinking.gif

He says that attendants would retrieve the animal to be disposed of at the hunter's wishes and offers an example of taxidermy and meat processing:

He said an attendant would retrieve shot animals for the shooters, who could have the heads preserved by a taxidermist. They could also have the meat processed and shipped home, or donated to animal orphanages.
11/17/2004 6:25:34 AM EDT
[#20]

Quoted:
Bullshit.  How could anyone prevent non-game animals from being shot as they wander into the kill zone?  

This is either a joke or a waste of $10,000.




+1
Whacking game in your den, wearing tightie whities while drinking Jack Daniels?
Either urban legend or very stupid (albeit fun) idea.
11/17/2004 6:28:22 AM EDT
[#21]
The guy could have it up and running in the time it takes to network this www.precisionremotes.com/

11/17/2004 6:29:38 AM EDT
[#22]

Quoted:

Quoted:

Quoted:
That is killing ---

Not hunting.



Semi +1

Is someone then going to go get the deer or pig so some dinner can be made?

I kill animals, but then I eat them.

Oh and +1 for the set it up in Iraq idea.



Huh? Did either of you even read the article before commenting?

He says that attendants would retrieve the animal to be disposed of at the hunter's wishes and offers an example of taxidermy and meat processing:

He said an attendant would retrieve shot animals for the shooters, who could have the heads preserved by a taxidermist. They could also have the meat processed and shipped home, or donated to animal orphanages.




Wait wait wait wait wait.  I am supposed to read something before commenting?

I read nothing.

I want to shoot at the attendant going to get the animal
11/17/2004 6:31:27 AM EDT
[#23]
Found it - www.live-shot.com/
11/17/2004 6:45:19 AM EDT
[#24]

Quoted:
Bullshit.  How could anyone prevent non-game animals from being shot as they wander into the kill zone?  

This is either a joke or a waste of $10,000.




You don't hunt Texas do you?

“Non-game” typically means non-controlled. Non-game animals can be taken by almost any means of legal hunting, whereas "game" animals have certain restrictions placed on how they can be controlled. Mostly non-native animals and nuisance animals are non-game.
11/17/2004 6:51:28 AM EDT
[#25]

Quoted:
This sounds like a hoax to me. Leaving an electronically controlled weapon available to anyone in the world with a computer is just plain rediculous.

It is called reckless endangerment, and there is no way in hell the authorities would allow it.

Methinks someone is having a good laugh on this one....



[sarcasm]The Clinton News Network reported it, so it must be true...[/sarcasm]
11/17/2004 7:05:36 AM EDT
[#26]

Quoted:
That is killing ---

Not hunting.hr


Dude, what do you think happened to the cow used to make your hamburger?  Do you think it stalked for hours by some hunter who finally got the right shot and took it to your grocery store to be sold in nicely presented packages?  NO!  It was herded into a smelly slaughter house where it had a pneumatic bolt driven through its temple, then processed assembly line style.

Kind of takes the moral superiority out of the argument IMHO I wouldn't shoot an animal via the internet, but if someone else wants to do it then more power to them.  It's good for people to REMEMBER WHERE THEIR FOOD COMES FROM!!!
11/17/2004 7:20:35 AM EDT
[#27]

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if we can set them up on the border and in iraq, im all for it...




OM HELL, you could win the war on terror and pay for it to.

Set up remote shooting platforms in the cities,  sign people up and train them in rules of engagement and target discrimination and then rent the gun to them in hour blocks.

Keyboard commandos everywhere shooting insurgents from their computers.....

Wow! Great idea-  
11/18/2004 12:33:54 AM EDT
[#28]

Quoted:
That is killing ---

Not hunting.



+1

Lazy fuckers.

S.O.
11/18/2004 12:45:38 AM EDT
[#29]
Too bad Christopher Reeves kicked the bucket, He would love this.
Put it on the southern border and he could have hunted for stem cells!
11/18/2004 1:51:05 AM EDT
[#30]
Actually, if you could rig up something similar using , say, a minigun or two, some old cars, a couple of moving tango targets and some tannerite, you could make a fortune right here every payday! Just click and shoot via PayPal. Imagine the airsofters that would pay to do that!

Sarge might even do a production on it!
11/18/2004 2:24:20 AM EDT
[#31]
I wouldn't do it, it's not hunting.

BUT, this is an individual's fenced, private property ranch.  The animals are NOT game animals, they are exotics/ferals that are HIS LIVESTOCK.

To paraphrase a Florida conservation officer who I was questioning about hunting wild hog on private property,  "If you go onto a farmer's land and have an agreement to kill as many cows or chickens as you want, by any means necessary, that's not our business.  Feral hogs are the landowner's property same as other farm animals, even though they're not fenced."  Exotics would be even MORE so.

He is allowing you to kill some of his livestock.  That's all.  And he has the right to do with his property as he sees fit.
11/18/2004 2:46:56 AM EDT
[#32]
If you wanna HUNT, get your freakin' ass outta bed and into the cold and carry your junk for miles like real hunters.
11/18/2004 4:55:05 AM EDT
[#33]

Quoted:
I wouldn't do it, it's not hunting.

BUT, this is an individual's fenced, private property ranch.  The animals are NOT game animals, they are exotics/ferals that are HIS LIVESTOCK.

To paraphrase a Florida conservation officer who I was questioning about hunting wild hog on private property,  "If you go onto a farmer's land and have an agreement to kill as many cows or chickens as you want, by any means necessary, that's not our business.  Feral hogs are the landowner's property same as other farm animals, even though they're not fenced."  Exotics would be even MORE so.

He is allowing you to kill some of his livestock.  That's all.  And he has the right to do with his property as he sees fit.



Extremely well put...
11/18/2004 4:58:43 AM EDT
[#34]
Still isn't a substitute for riding around in the back of a pickup blasting rabbits, skunks, and feral hogs...
11/18/2004 4:58:51 AM EDT
[#35]
I'll file this one with the paintball shooting, bikini wearing chicks story.
11/18/2004 5:07:43 AM EDT
[#36]

Quoted:
That is killing ---

Not hunting.



And?
11/20/2004 4:43:35 AM EDT
[#37]

Quoted:
where do people come up with these ideas?




The movie "The Jackal".
11/20/2004 5:22:24 AM EDT
[#38]

Quoted:
I wouldn't do it, it's not hunting.

BUT, this is an individual's fenced, private property ranch.  The animals are NOT game animals, they are exotics/ferals that are HIS LIVESTOCK.

To paraphrase a Florida conservation officer who I was questioning about hunting wild hog on private property,  "If you go onto a farmer's land and have an agreement to kill as many cows or chickens as you want, by any means necessary, that's not our business.  Feral hogs are the landowner's property same as other farm animals, even though they're not fenced."  Exotics would be even MORE so.

He is allowing you to kill some of his livestock.  That's all.  And he has the right to do with his property as he sees fit.



Along with my earlier comments I agree with DDiggler, it is not hunting but it should be permitted.
11/20/2004 5:40:00 AM EDT
[#39]

Quoted:
If you wanna HUNT, get your freakin' ass outta bed and into the cold and carry your junk for miles like real hunters.




+1000.

I got no beef with this guy trying to make a buck but DAMN..

That ain't hunting. Why waste the ammo.

All the fun is the getting there and doing it. You want that shit, tune into Jimmy Houston.