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Posted: 11/29/2020 5:49:33 PM EDT
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I'm ashamed that I kinda like it, in a three breasted Martian kind of way.
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Posted: 11/29/2020 5:57:30 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: yea but I'd not want to fire a 38 super in a light weight 2" snubbie Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Isn't there some weird law in a lot of South American countries where civilians can't own any military calibers... hence why there's a shitload of .380 stuff made down there? That would be my guess... but I have never seen a .380 revolver before today.  .380 vs 38 Super, big difference yea but I'd not want to fire a 38 super in a light weight 2" snubbie  Attached File |
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Posted: 11/29/2020 6:00:39 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: .380 is more of a man stopper than you think. It kills a lot more people than I would have ever guessed before I became involved in a business where you learn that kind of thing. |
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Posted: 11/29/2020 6:33:15 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Gotta go here... I bet ya OP carry a Smith 500 as a CHL Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I'm missing the dumb part. It's a small, concealable handgun with low recoil. Gotta go here... I bet ya OP carry a Smith 500 as a CHL Lol. I have a couple J frames chambered in .38 Special. I guess I don’t see the benefit of .380 over 9mm, but different strokes for different folks |
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Posted: 11/29/2020 7:15:14 PM EDT
[#5]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Definitely not the dumbest That one is a meh, I don't see a problem with it. I'd own a 9mm snubby so I don't have to buy ammo just for a .38 spc, why not .380. This is dumbest: https://stdgun.com/s333-thunderstruck/ How is that not a machinegun? More than one round per trigger pull. |
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Posted: 11/29/2020 7:17:44 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: How is that not a machinegun? More than one round per trigger pull. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Definitely not the dumbest That one is a meh, I don't see a problem with it. I'd own a 9mm snubby so I don't have to buy ammo just for a .38 spc, why not .380. This is dumbest: https://stdgun.com/s333-thunderstruck/ How is that not a machinegun? More than one round per trigger pull. I believe there’s some exemption based on caliber size if I recall correctly, but who the hell can keep it straight at this point? |
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Posted: 11/29/2020 7:26:12 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: How is that not a machinegun? More than one round per trigger pull. Not an actual Machine Gun? Or not an ATF machine gun/shoelace/particular type of stock/open bolt semiauto, etc...  ETA: Rhetorical and not directed at you |
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Posted: 11/29/2020 7:27:08 PM EDT
[#8]
It beats a sternly delivered statement in a tense situation.
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Posted: 11/29/2020 7:30:37 PM EDT
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Posted: 11/29/2020 7:35:12 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: It beats a sternly delivered statement in a tense situation. That I can’t argue with |
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Posted: 11/29/2020 7:37:30 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: How is that not a machinegun? More than one round per trigger pull. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Definitely not the dumbest That one is a meh, I don't see a problem with it. I'd own a 9mm snubby so I don't have to buy ammo just for a .38 spc, why not .380. This is dumbest: https://stdgun.com/s333-thunderstruck/ How is that not a machinegun? More than one round per trigger pull. |
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Posted: 11/29/2020 7:44:28 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Definitely not the dumbest That one is a meh, I don't see a problem with it. I'd own a 9mm snubby so I don't have to buy ammo just for a .38 spc, why not .380. This is dumbest: https://stdgun.com/s333-thunderstruck/ Arsenal AF2011A1 is where it’s at for double barrels  Attached File |
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Posted: 11/29/2020 7:48:06 PM EDT
[#13]
Quote HistoryUntil the ATF faggots classify it as a machine gun
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Posted: 11/29/2020 7:50:50 PM EDT
[#14]
I was never much impressed with any Taurus I have laid hands on.
I believe this is a 5 shot alloy gun . I would rather have a 5 shot alloy 38spl for the wider choice of different power levels. Light target loads (with close to 380 power), 38 standard loads and 38 +P if wanted. |
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Posted: 11/29/2020 7:56:48 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Shot placement is key. .380 aka 9mm Kurtz. Walther PPK of James Bond fame fired them. i had a buddy/instructor years ago that was retired brittish sf. when i first met him he had just moved to the USA and carried a 380 walther. after a few months he switched to a 1911. when i asked him why he told me europeans and folks from other countries are generally smaller and a 380 was an effective round. when he moved here and took a look at all these alabama corn fed rednecks he decided he needed something with significantly more power. 
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Posted: 11/29/2020 7:58:49 PM EDT
[#16]
 There can only be One dumbest wheelgun...and it has two barrels and a double trigger. |
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Posted: 11/29/2020 7:59:30 PM EDT
[#17]
yes
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Posted: 11/29/2020 8:05:32 PM EDT
[#18]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Definitely not the dumbest That one is a meh, I don't see a problem with it. I'd own a 9mm snubby so I don't have to buy ammo just for a .38 spc, why not .380. This is dumbest: https://stdgun.com/s333-thunderstruck/ Winner winner, chicken dinner. I saw that the other day and thought "WHY Lord why?" |
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Posted: 11/29/2020 8:06:05 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Isn't there some weird law in a lot of South American countries where civilians can't own any military calibers... hence why there's a shitload of .380 stuff made down there? That would be my guess... but I have never seen a .380 revolver before today. .380ACP is a military round, its been used by military forces almost since it came out. Of course it was used in Europe mostly and not really since the end of WWII. But some countries would say, once used in the military, always a military. |
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Posted: 11/29/2020 8:08:48 PM EDT
[#20]
Low power round out of that short ass barrel. Probably ok if your 3 feet away or shooting at a barn.
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Posted: 11/29/2020 8:15:46 PM EDT
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I would not trust my life with a Taurus. Look at a parts diagram and compare the lockwork of a Taurus against that of a S&W. S&W is superior. Also, S&W has superior metallurgy. Taurus transfer bars break regularly and while Taurus is aware of it, has not changed their metallurgy or heat treatment.
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Posted: 11/29/2020 8:30:08 PM EDT
[#22]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Until the ATF faggots classify it as a machine gun Probably the one thing that could happen that would make me want one |
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Posted: 11/29/2020 8:48:48 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Lot of hate for Taurus around here. I've had great luck with mine. I guess I've had my snub nosed Taurus 15 plus years. Always shoots great. Lots of rounds thru it. Nothing like shooting hot 357 through it. Shoots a flame out the barrel. Had my 4 inch 357 Taurus probably over 30 years. Does the same thing my Smith's, and Rugers do. I would prefer that revolver in .38 special. I do love my Lcp, but its crazy small. My experience with Taurus was similar. Im 40+, I grew up with 22LR and shotguns. But I wanted a handgun. I lusted after the Ruger Single Six in 32 H&R when I was a teen. When I was 20, paying everything on my own, I looked through the catalog of guns that used to be in the back of GUNZ magazine. I landed on a Davis 380 Auto, decent power and it was cheap. Turns out my state has a prohibition on 'saturday night specials' but I spotted a used Taurus Model 66 - blued, 6 inch barrel 357 magnum $175. I talked him down an entire $10 because the blueing was a tad cloudy. The first 10 years that was my only handgun. I put 10,000 rounds through that gun (mostly 38 special). Still runs great but I shoot it a lot less. Added a 22LR revolver also from Taurus as an understudy. Works great too. First Semi-auto I bought after than Taurus? Ruger P95 - which gave me nothing but problems. I had to return it to the factory. I Sent back everything in the original box, they only sent the gun and 1 mag back. Fuck you Ruger. |
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Posted: 11/29/2020 8:51:44 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Is it the revolver that's dumb or the people who fell for the .380 craze? Craze? 380 has been a great cartridge for 100 years. It's only been the last 10 years that we've had readily available 9mms of roughly equivalent size |
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Posted: 11/29/2020 8:54:10 PM EDT
[#25]
Why does any type of Taurus firearm exist? Pure junk for poor people.
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Posted: 11/29/2020 8:59:14 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Craze? 380 has been a great cartridge for 100 years. It's only been the last 10 years that we've had readily available 9mms of roughly equivalent size Quote HistoryQuoted: Craze? 380 has been a great cartridge for 100 years. It's only been the last 10 years that we've had readily available 9mms of roughly equivalent size And apparently it's really popular because IIRC it was the first cartridge to experience a widespread shortage this time around. Quoted: My experience with Taurus was similar. Im 40+, I grew up with 22LR and shotguns. But I wanted a handgun. I lusted after the Ruger Single Six in 32 H&R when I was a teen. When I was 20, paying everything on my own, I looked through the catalog of guns that used to be in the back of GUNZ magazine. I landed on a Davis 380 Auto, decent power and it was cheap. Turns out my state has a prohibition on 'saturday night specials' but I spotted a used Taurus Model 66 - blued, 6 inch barrel 357 magnum $175. I talked him down an entire $10 because the blueing was a tad cloudy. The first 10 years that was my only handgun. I put 10,000 rounds through that gun (mostly 38 special). Still runs great but I shoot it a lot less. Added a 22LR revolver also from Taurus as an understudy. Works great too. First Semi-auto I bought after than Taurus? Ruger P95 - which gave me nothing but problems. I had to return it to the factory. I Sent back everything in the original box, they only sent the gun and 1 mag back. Fuck you Ruger. I learned early on that you don't send in anything that doesn't specifically need to be repaired. Worst case you keep your magazines, best case they send you new ones. |
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Posted: 11/29/2020 9:00:01 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Hey, whatever works for you. In 25 years of being in the training end of the gun industry, Taurus firearms have failed more than any other manufacturer that's come across my line (including Hi-Point, and that's no bullshit, either). However, when a student mentions that they're bringing a Taurus to one of my courses I tell them to bring a spare gun. Taurus products are not high round count guns. ETA: I rest my case. Crossposted from another thread... Taurus Handgun Explodes in Man's Face at Firing Range Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Lot of hate for Taurus around here. I've had great luck with mine. Does the same thing my Smith's, and Rugers do. I would prefer that revolver in .38 special. I do love my Lcp, but its crazy small. Hey, whatever works for you. In 25 years of being in the training end of the gun industry, Taurus firearms have failed more than any other manufacturer that's come across my line (including Hi-Point, and that's no bullshit, either). However, when a student mentions that they're bringing a Taurus to one of my courses I tell them to bring a spare gun. Taurus products are not high round count guns. ETA: I rest my case. Crossposted from another thread... Taurus Handgun Explodes in Man's Face at Firing Range here's a glock that did the same. Glocks are the worst gun. I rest my case.  Your theory that Taurus fails more in your course MAY be on to something - but do you actually keep records of what handguns people bring, their ammo, and their gun failure rate? If so that would be awesome. And it wouldn't surprise me to learn that they have one of the higher failure rates - but I still bet it's low. I also bet there's a lot of budget guns that never make it to your course in enough numbers to be noticed. Remember Hi Point isn't the only budget gun. Taurus just happens to ride the balance between both budget enough and quality enough to get a lot of sales. |
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Posted: 11/29/2020 9:00:44 PM EDT
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It would make sense just to make it .38 Special, or 9mm... but some places a person can't own any caliber the military uses so if the .380 ACP is able to be used when .38 Special, 9mm, etc, etc,... then .380 ACP it is.
Live and let live. |
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Posted: 11/29/2020 9:19:49 PM EDT
[#29]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Lot of hate for Taurus around here. I've had great luck with mine. I guess I've had my snub nosed Taurus 15 plus years. Always shoots great. Lots of rounds thru it. Nothing like shooting hot 357 through it. Shoots a flame out the barrel. Had my 4 inch 357 Taurus probably over 30 years. Does the same thing my Smith's, and Rugers do. I would prefer that revolver in .38 special. I do love my Lcp, but its crazy small. Let them hate. It keeps the price down. I love my 357 CIA. I picked another one up last month just like it for $250. Hell of a deal during covid |
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Posted: 11/29/2020 9:30:37 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Craze? 380 has been a great cartridge for 100 years. It's only been the last 10 years that we've had readily available 9mms of roughly equivalent size Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Is it the revolver that's dumb or the people who fell for the .380 craze? Craze? 380 has been a great cartridge for 100 years. It's only been the last 10 years that we've had readily available 9mms of roughly equivalent size It's been a marginal cartridge for 100 years. It's only in the last year that anybody has come up with a hollow point design that reliably expands at .380 velocities. But it's compact, so people put up with the lower stopping power and carried them anyways (including me, my BUG is a .380). But it's at the bottom of every stopping power chart for a reason. |
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Posted: 11/29/2020 9:47:24 PM EDT
[#31]
I tried the trigger on 2 or 3 of those same 380 revolvers at an LGS when they first came out. All had atrocious triggers, like a a Ruger LCP v1, but even longer and way heavier and grittier. Bleh!
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Posted: 11/29/2020 9:49:56 PM EDT
[#32]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Exactly. And since the 9mm aficionados have mathematically proven that due to modern science that all calibers are equal in power there really isn't any need for something bigger. 380 is at that perfect spot, big enough that the bullets are easy to handle without fumbling and dropping (a constant problem with 22), easy to spot if you do happen to drop one, and yet light enough not to weight you down. A 380 revolver like this Taurus is a great choice for carry in bear country, or any situation where maximum reliability is more important than capacity. It is also a great choice for the elderly person who might have a problem manipulating the slide of a modern auto, while still desiring a weapon with incredible stopping power. It really is perfect.  Attached File |
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Posted: 11/29/2020 10:19:34 PM EDT
[#33]
Quote HistoryQuoted: It's been a marginal cartridge for 100 years. It's only in the last year that anybody has come up with a hollow point design that reliably expands at .380 velocities. But it's compact, so people put up with the lower stopping power and carried them anyways (including me, my BUG is a .380). But it's at the bottom of every stopping power chart for a reason. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Is it the revolver that's dumb or the people who fell for the .380 craze? Craze? 380 has been a great cartridge for 100 years. It's only been the last 10 years that we've had readily available 9mms of roughly equivalent size It's been a marginal cartridge for 100 years. It's only in the last year that anybody has come up with a hollow point design that reliably expands at .380 velocities. But it's compact, so people put up with the lower stopping power and carried them anyways (including me, my BUG is a .380). But it's at the bottom of every stopping power chart for a reason. Kind of an interesting question is that if you were in Europe or another country that only used FMJ, if there would be any meaningful difference in stopping power between 9x19 FMJ and 9x17 FMJ. |
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Posted: 11/29/2020 10:43:38 PM EDT
[#34]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Shot placement is key. .380 aka 9mm Kurtz. Walther PPK of James Bond fame fired them. I think 007 carried a PPK .32 ACP/7.65 mm Browning  James Bond gets his Walther PPK |
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Posted: 11/29/2020 10:46:48 PM EDT
[#35]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Anyone willing to get shot with a .380, PM me for deets. That isn't a good argument, I don't want to be shot with a 22 short either. But would not choose to CCW one. |
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Posted: 11/29/2020 10:46:51 PM EDT
[#36]
Quote HistoryQuoted: It's been a marginal cartridge for 100 years. It's only in the last year that anybody has come up with a hollow point design that reliably expands at .380 velocities. But it's compact, so people put up with the lower stopping power and carried them anyways (including me, my BUG is a .380). But it's at the bottom of every stopping power chart for a reason. .32 ACP? .25 ACP? Those .22 mag "self defense" revolvers ? Is "stopping power" quantified by its Taylor Knockout value? |
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Posted: 11/29/2020 10:48:46 PM EDT
[#37]
Quote HistoryQuoted: .380 is more of a man stopper than you think. With modern ammo, yes. |
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Posted: 11/30/2020 1:02:52 AM EDT
[#38]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I would not trust my life with a Taurus S&W. Look at a parts diagram and compare the lockwork of a Taurus S&W against that of a S&W Ruger. S&W Ruger is superior. Also, S&W Ruger has superior metallurgy. Taurus S&W transfer bars break regularly and while Taurus S&W is aware of it, has not changed their metallurgy or heat treatment. Fixt! Kinda, I don't know how to cross out words. Also I don't own any Smith revolvers.
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Posted: 11/30/2020 1:25:09 AM EDT
[#39]
S&W made a gun within the last 20 years that was based on the N frame 627 in .357. It was a light weight frame with a rail for a flashlight. It was called the M&P R8 and is an affront to all that is classic about older Smiths.
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Posted: 11/30/2020 1:30:12 AM EDT
[#40]
Quoted: Ammo commonality at its finest. 380 is garbage. Expensive, less efficient and limited I know I always want to spend more money on less power with a shitty bullet selection |
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Posted: 11/30/2020 1:33:08 AM EDT
[#41]
That's not a Chiappa Rhino
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Posted: 11/30/2020 1:45:47 AM EDT
[#42]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Kind of an interesting question is that if you were in Europe or another country that only used FMJ, if there would be any meaningful difference in stopping power between 9x19 FMJ and 9x17 FMJ. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Is it the revolver that's dumb or the people who fell for the .380 craze? Craze? 380 has been a great cartridge for 100 years. It's only been the last 10 years that we've had readily available 9mms of roughly equivalent size It's been a marginal cartridge for 100 years. It's only in the last year that anybody has come up with a hollow point design that reliably expands at .380 velocities. But it's compact, so people put up with the lower stopping power and carried them anyways (including me, my BUG is a .380). But it's at the bottom of every stopping power chart for a reason. Kind of an interesting question is that if you were in Europe or another country that only used FMJ, if there would be any meaningful difference in stopping power between 9x19 FMJ and 9x17 FMJ. You'll still get better penetration with 9mm, especially since it generally uses heavier bullets while still pushing them faster than .380. |
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Posted: 11/30/2020 3:46:05 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: here's a glock that did the same. Glocks are the worst gun. I rest my case. https://cdn0.wideopenspaces.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/03/a771e580adfb81bad39b2bbc3a4e15f5-1.jpg Your theory that Taurus fails more in your course MAY be on to something - but do you actually keep records of what handguns people bring, their ammo, and their gun failure rate? If so that would be awesome. And it wouldn't surprise me to learn that they have one of the higher failure rates - but I still bet it's low. I also bet there's a lot of budget guns that never make it to your course in enough numbers to be noticed. Remember Hi Point isn't the only budget gun. Taurus just happens to ride the balance between both budget enough and quality enough to get a lot of sales. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Lot of hate for Taurus around here. I've had great luck with mine. Does the same thing my Smith's, and Rugers do. I would prefer that revolver in .38 special. I do love my Lcp, but its crazy small. Hey, whatever works for you. In 25 years of being in the training end of the gun industry, Taurus firearms have failed more than any other manufacturer that's come across my line (including Hi-Point, and that's no bullshit, either). However, when a student mentions that they're bringing a Taurus to one of my courses I tell them to bring a spare gun. Taurus products are not high round count guns. ETA: I rest my case. Crossposted from another thread... Taurus Handgun Explodes in Man's Face at Firing Range here's a glock that did the same. Glocks are the worst gun. I rest my case. https://cdn0.wideopenspaces.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/03/a771e580adfb81bad39b2bbc3a4e15f5-1.jpg Your theory that Taurus fails more in your course MAY be on to something - but do you actually keep records of what handguns people bring, their ammo, and their gun failure rate? If so that would be awesome. And it wouldn't surprise me to learn that they have one of the higher failure rates - but I still bet it's low. I also bet there's a lot of budget guns that never make it to your course in enough numbers to be noticed. Remember Hi Point isn't the only budget gun. Taurus just happens to ride the balance between both budget enough and quality enough to get a lot of sales. Yes, I do I keep records regarding my students (just ask anyone here in this forum that I've trained). I also have them sign their qual targets and I keep their targets in individual file folders along with anything notable that might have come up during their training. I also fail students if they are unsafe but I will never fail a student if their gun fails. They either have to produce another gun and all related kit or come back and get in a future class. I haven't seen Taurus failures in the thousands or anything like that but if a gun fails, more often than not it's a Taurus; and that includes sights falling off, magazine failures, ammunition feeding issues, and fit and finish issues that prohibit proper functioning. Anything that can happen to ANY gun has and can happen to other manufacturers but more often than not it's a Taurus. I'm not attacking Taurus because I don't like the company, I'm just mentioning what I've experienced. The old Model 85 revolvers were decent guns and IMO the only really good gun Taurus ever made was the PT92AF series. I have one and somewhere between 8,000 and 10,000 rounds while doing routine maintenance I noticed a crack under the barrel where it meets the chamber. I sent it back and Taurus made good on it but that crack could have led to a catastrophic failure. As I said in a previous post, they are not high round count guns (at least in my opinion they're not). The old barrel of my PT92AF.  Attached File Attached File Attached File Attached File |
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Posted: 11/30/2020 3:50:01 AM EDT
[#44]
Yes. I prefer a 9mm version.
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Posted: 11/30/2020 8:41:03 AM EDT
[#45]
So you guys really don't like that Thunderstruck thing?
Huh. |
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Posted: 11/30/2020 8:45:12 AM EDT
[#46]
Quote HistoryQuoted: So you guys really don't like that Thunderstruck thing? Huh. If it looked more normal and didn't cost $400 I might get one just for fun. |
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Posted: 11/30/2020 8:47:16 AM EDT
[#47]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I'm missing the dumb part. It's a small, concealable handgun with low recoil. 
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Posted: 11/30/2020 9:07:38 AM EDT
[#48]
Anyone else wish they made something like the Medusa again?
Designed as a SHTF weapon it's use of pretty much any 9mm/.38 caliber ammo would be a Godsend today, something like 35 different calibers.  Phillips & Rodgers M47 Medusa: Multicaliber Revolver for a Nonexistent Apocalypse |
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Posted: 11/30/2020 9:08:38 AM EDT
[#49]
Quote HistoryQuoted: S&W made a gun within the last 20 years that was based on the N frame 627 in .357. It was a light weight frame with a rail for a flashlight. It was called the M&P R8 and is an affront to all that is classic about older Smiths. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/3003/170292_01_lg_1_jpg-1707901.JPG Is there any cylinder gap at all? I wouldn't want to put my hand that far forward to turn on a light. |
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Posted: 11/30/2020 9:21:13 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: So you guys really don't like that Thunderstruck thing? Huh. Did you watch the Inrange match I posted?
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